2016-2017 College Hockey (Non UND Hockey)

[Blackheart]

7 minutes ago, DaveK said:

Correction, they have 23 and I know that you already knew that.

23 championships in 3 years?  That's great Dave!

[Blackheart]

Looks like another sellout!!

[southpaw]

4 minutes ago, Blackheart said:

Looks like another sellout!!

 

We're talking about Dave, right?

[Blackheart]

4 minutes ago, southpaw said:

We're talking about Dave, right?

Now that's funny!

[brianvf]

8 hours ago, DaveK said:

Now let's stop living off the previous seasons and focus on the current one.

 

1 hour ago, DaveK said:

I'm including the good times as well as the bad and everything else in between. I'm not excluding anything.

So, wait.  In one post, we can't look at prior seasons, only the current one.
But then a few posts later, we're supposed to include the entire history of programs/conferences when discussing how "great/poor" they are?

Spin cycle is in full effect! 

[burd]

Look, guys.  Dave certainly has just as much right to be a Gopher/MSU/Ohio State fan just as much as we have the right to be Sioux/Hawks fans.  He seems very young and is obviously in serious need of attention.  I gave him some of it, and that was a mistake.  I won't make it again.  I suggest we all ignore him in an effort to save the thread.  

[Blackheart]

1 hour ago, DaveK said:

Five of those six teams have been around much longer than the conference. When they joined the conference they brought all of their national championships won in previous eras. If you think they have to leave those titles behind in the conferences that they came from... well then I guess that makes you a special kind of stupid.

Wow DaveK!  You are so much nicer in person.  Have a great day!

[Blackheart]

1 hour ago, DaveK said:

Young? 

I wish! The fact of the matter is I'm an old geezer, old enough to remember the Herb Brooks era of Gopher hockey.

Try again.

Herb Brooks?  Yeah, I remember when his teams won all those Big Ten and National Championships!

[UNDColorado]

9 hours ago, DaveK said:

But I'm not from Minnesota, truly I do not care. That state of hockey stuff doesn't do a thing for me. I dislike both UMD and SCSU, and feel completely neutral towards both Bemidji and Mankato. I don't like the Wild either. I'm a Gopher fan, not a fan of all things Minnesota.

Since you are a gopher fan, why do you spend so much time here? I mean, if I were a gopher fan I would despise this place. Sort of like how I NEVER go over to bisonville. 

[bigskyvikes]

8 hours ago, DaveK said:

For many years it bothered me to have the Gophers and Badgers not in the same conference as Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State. It was like a dream come true for me when, thanks to the addition of Penn State's D1 hockey program, the Big Ten finally recognized hockey as a conference sport. As much as I loved the old WCHA, I now love the Big Ten so much more.

The problem that I have is with the likes of UND, DU, CC, SCSU, UMD, UNO, Miami, and Western Michigan to abandon what remained of the old WCHA/CCHA. That was a classless move in my opinion. If they left to join a conference that they were already members of in every other sport but hockey I would support them all the way, but for them to do what they did at the time they did it was an unnecessary knee-jerk reaction to the Big Ten. It was a petty and spiteful move made based on a bad case of sour grapes.

You cannot be serious with this? Are you a politician?

[UNDBIZ]

25 minutes ago, UNDColorado said:

Since you are a gopher fan, why do you spend so much time here? I mean, if I were a gopher fan I would despise this place. Sort of like how I NEVER go over to bisonville. 

GPL doesn't want him there either.

[The Sicatoka]

8 hours ago, southpaw said:

We're talking about Dave, right?

I'll give Dave this:
He added a new definition to the phrase "jersey chaser". 

[The Sicatoka]

Current Massey Ratings
Please note that the NCHC has "9" teams. Massey for some reason has Arizona State included in the NCHC ranking calculation. Even with that drag* ... 

Team	Record	Tms	Rat	Pwr	Off	Def	HFA	SoS	SSF	EW	EL
NCHC	49-35-15 0.571	9	1 1.27	1 3.11	2 4.52	1 1.56	-0.17	1 2.92	1 2.99	0.00	0.00
Big 10	45-27-11 0.608	6	2 1.12	2 2.74	1 4.58	3 1.13	0.23	3 2.35	3 2.56	0.00	0.00
Hockey East	71-48-17 0.585	12	3 1.08	3 2.73	3 4.23	2 1.47	0.34	2 2.47	2 2.59	0.00	0.00
Eastern CAC	44-48-12 0.481	12	4 0.86	4 2.14	4 4.06	4 1.06	0.48	4 2.32	4 2.29	0.00	0.00
WCHA	16-45-5 0.280	10	5 0.59	5 1.52	5 3.47	5 1.02	0.05	5 1.84	5 1.75	0.00	0.00
Atlantic Hockey	17-39-12 0.338	11	6 0.53	6 1.31	6 3.44	6 0.84	0.11	6 1.66	6 1.56	0.00	0.00
Correlation	940		1000	998	972	857	-102	955	991	NaN	NaN

http://mratings.com/rate.php?s=ch2017&sub=11590&c=1

*ASU is 51; CC is 33. 

[stoneySIOUX]

1 hour ago, Blackheart said:

Herb Brooks?  Yeah, I remember when his teams won all those Big Ten and National Championships!

AYYYOOOOOO!!! That was a solid one!!! Nice work, Blackheart. That one actually made me LOL.

[stoneySIOUX]

46 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

GPL doesn't want him there either.

Like I said earlier, it must be fun being hated on two, completely different fan boards. ESPECIALLY since the two are polar opposites lol.

[SiouxFanatic]

3 hours ago, DaveK said:

Five of those six teams have been around much longer than the conference. When they joined the conference they brought all of their national championships won in previous eras. If you think they have to leave those titles behind in the conferences that they came from... well then I guess that makes you a special kind of stupid.

Are you sure you aren't looking in the mirror at yourself? You don't see NCHC fans including championships previously won in a different conference. Yet it seems to be a BTHC fan thing to do to make them feel better for how impotent the conference has been so far or it's probably just you. Most likely the latter.

[cberkas]

1 minute ago, SiouxFanatic said:

Are you sure you aren't looking in the mirror at yourself? You don't see NCHC fans including championships previously won in a different conference. Yet it seems to be a BTHC fan thing to do to make them feel better for how impotent the conference has been so far or it's probably just you. Most likely the latter.

The conference it's self doesn't take credit for the titles won in the WCHA.

[cberkas]

I think someone needs to take some 'member berries and remember all those titles won in the WCHA. I 'member 

[siouxfan512]

9 hours ago, Blackheart said:

Looks like another sellout!!

Ugh, this seriously bothers me. I'm by no means a Gopher fan, but i did grow up as one, and I can remember when that place was packed, almost every game. It sucks to see what is happening there. I will give it to their student section, they seem to still pack those sections and they are a pretty vocal bunch. But they need to make the games more affordable for the others. Particularly their younger alumni. Hard for people in their late 20s or early 30s to afford those ticket prices when they are just starting out, or raising young families. At that point, people will just watch on TV.

Even without being a fan of the team, there is no doubt they have, and can still recruit talent. No reason they shouldn't be able to fill that place better than they do. Obviously they are not the only show in town, and the success of the Wild, and maybe even the Gopher Basketball team has something to do with it. But the U needs to take a hard look at their ticket prices, and who they schedule for non-conference opponents.

As a team that has one of the larger arenas in college hockey, and having a pretty historic program, they could definitely do a better job that they are a filling seat and attracting crowds. 

[SiouxFanatic]

11 minutes ago, cberkas said:

I think someone needs to take some 'member berries and remember all those titles won in the WCHA. I 'member 

Is this a South Park reference? Just saw this episode on tv not too long ago.

[cberkas]

2 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said:

Ugh, this seriously bothers me. I'm by no means a Gopher fan, but i did grow up as one, and I can remember when that place was packed, almost every game. It sucks to see what is happening there. I will give it to their student section, they seem to still pack those sections and they are a pretty vocal bunch. But they need to make the games more affordable for the others. Particularly their younger alumni. Hard for people in their late 20s or early 30s to afford those ticket prices when they are just starting out, or raising young families. At that point, people will just watch on TV.

Even without being a fan of the team, there is no doubt they have, and can still recruit talent. No reason they shouldn't be able to fill that place better than they do. Obviously they are not the only show in town, and the success of the Wild, and maybe even the Gopher Basketball team has something to do with it. But the U needs to take a hard look at their ticket prices, and who they schedule for non-conference opponents.

As a team that has one of the larger arenas in college hockey, and having a pretty historic program, they could definitely do a better job that they are a filling seat and attracting crowds. 

It has more to do with leaving the WCHA for the B1G. They had a story in one of the papers where the scalpers couldn't give tickets away. 

Wisconsin is felling it too, but Eaves made it worse. At least fans are coming back to see a winning Badger team, but still a long way off from what it use to be.

[cberkas]

1 minute ago, SiouxFanatic said:

Is this a South Park reference? Just saw this episode on tv not too long ago.

Yes it is, one of the best things they came up with.

[The Sicatoka]

13 minutes ago, SiouxFanatic said:

Is this a South Park reference? Just saw this episode on tv not too long ago.

It's the ongoing theme in Season 20. 

[siouxfan512]

10 hours ago, DaveK said:

For many years it bothered me to have the Gophers and Badgers not in the same conference as Michigan, Michigan State, and Ohio State. It was like a dream come true for me when, thanks to the addition of Penn State's D1 hockey program, the Big Ten finally recognized hockey as a conference sport. As much as I loved the old WCHA, I now love the Big Ten so much more.

The problem that I have is with the likes of UND, DU, CC, SCSU, UMD, UNO, Miami, and Western Michigan to abandon what remained of the old WCHA/CCHA. That was a classless move in my opinion. If they left to join a conference that they were already members of in every other sport but hockey I would support them all the way, but for them to do what they did at the time they did it was an unnecessary knee-jerk reaction to the Big Ten. It was a petty and spiteful move made based on a bad case of sour grapes.

ok, I'll take the bait.

First, you're absolutely entitled to your own opinion, and you can prefer to watch the Goofs play whomever. You may like the new teams that you are playing, BUT ticket sales, or lack their of, shows that Mariucci does not. Pretty evident that MN/UND is still a big ticket in terms of college hockey in Mpls. Living in Mpls, anyone I've talked to who followed college hockey misses the WCHA rivialries because their were so many historic games. Heck even in recent history, the Gopher/Sioux rivalry has had almost nothing but thrillers ... Frozen Four games, Bina's goal, Trupp's goal, Wheeler's diving goal, Porter's wrap around. more NCAA tourney games, .6, etc (This is the kind of stuff that thrills fans and builds up future games). The move to the B1G made sense, purely because there were enough teams to align the conference, and when it comes to TV and network deals there is more money to be made. Let face it, the main factor in any of these schools decision making is $$$MONEY$$$. They operate as a business, not a charity.

For this same reason, you should be able to recognize why UND, DU, and a few others would try to form a new conference. Some of the biggest rivals and competition (at the time) left the WCHA (No denying MN and Wisco are hot tickets, at least in NoDak). Why wouldn't a school try to ensure they are positioning themselves to consistently fill their arenas and provide the strongest levels of competition. 

As much as I enjoyed watching some of our series against Mankato and Bemidji, there is no doubt they were not always a hot ticket. You also want to position yourself in a strong conference from a recruiting standpoint. UND already has strong recruiting assets in facilities and tradition, but you want to have consistent strong competition to pull some of these kids away from other conferences or Canadian leagues.

So you can call it a knee jerk reaction, you can call it sour grapes; but in general, business, school, team and athletic leadership don't make their moves on an emotional basis, as much as they do on generating revenue, increasing or maintaining fan interest, and competition. So far, I'd say it has worked out well for the NCHC as they have been a powerful conference since they started. It has worked out for UND winning multiple league titles (in a tougher league that the WCHA would have been for us) and a National Championship.

UND has no obligation to remain in a conference, just as the Gopher would have no obligation to remain in the conference. UND and UofM may have left the WCHA for different reasons, but it all comes to the same end. Schools need to do what is in their best interest to strengthen the position of their program, financially and for future success.

*drops mic, steps off of soap box*

[The Sicatoka]

2 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said:

UND has no obligation to remain in a conference, just as the Gopher would have no obligation to remain in the conference.

Minnesota acted first and did what it believed best for it.
North Dakota then did what it believed best for it. 
Nothing more need be said.