fightingsioux4life Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Huh? Where would you even get an idea as asinine as this? I said IF, I didn't say it was imminent. And don't be naive; REA would love to get rid of the student section and sell those seats to the highest bidder. One thing I have learned in my 40 years on this planet is to never say never to anything, no matter how "asinine" it sounds. How many of us actually thought the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo would be retired in our lifetimes? I certainly didn't, but here we are planning on selecting a new name and logo. Vigilance saves a lot of headaches down the road. You should try it sometime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I said IF, I didn't say it was imminent. And don't be naive; REA would love to get rid of the student section and sell those seats to the highest bidder. One thing I have learned in my 40 years on this planet is to never say never to anything, no matter how "asinine" it sounds. And I'm saying it is not a possibility. The fact that you think that somehow UND would take away all seats from students (who pay a ton for athletics in student fees) to watch other fellow students compete, is ridiculous. Ralph was very adamant about the students having access to good seating. That doesn't mean that they will always have spots where they are (I'm surprised they haven't been moved to one of the ends like many other arenas). The REA would be doing the program, UND and themselves a disservice to not re-evaluate the use of students seating, especially when large chunks aren't being used and there is a demand of people who want to purchase them. At no point will they ever be fully taken away. Side note - You make it sound like the REA would be the ones who get all the money from selling those seats to the highest bidder. Every seat in the REA costs the same regardless of where it is. The difference is the donation that is required to get those seats. UND is the one who gets that money, not the REA. How many of us actually thought the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo would be retired in our lifetimes? I certainly didn't, but here we are planning on selecting a new name and logo. Anyone who paid attention to what has gone on with the Fighting Sioux nickname over the past two decades in no way can claim to be blindsided that it is retired. There has been issues with it forever, it wasn't something that came up out of the blue. Vigilance saves a lot of headaches down the road. You should try it sometime. Coming up scenarios that have absolutely less than zero basis for being formed is not being vigilant, it is ranting for the sake of ranting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoneySIOUX Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I said IF, I didn't say it was imminent. And don't be naive; REA would love to get rid of the student section and sell those seats to the highest bidder. One thing I have learned in my 40 years on this planet is to never say never to anything, no matter how "asinine" it sounds. How many of us actually thought the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo would be retired in our lifetimes? I certainly didn't, but here we are planning on selecting a new name and logo. Vigilance saves a lot of headaches down the road. You should try it sometime. How is this vigilance? Throwing out a theoretical that isn't feasible. Name another college arena in the country that doesn't have a student section. It won't happen because the atmosphere in that arena comes from the students and they know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 How is this vigilance? Throwing out a theoretical that isn't feasible. Name another college arena in the country that doesn't have a student section. It won't happen because the atmosphere in that arena comes from the students and they know that. Okay, I was just throwing it out there. And I remember a certain UND President (I believe his name was Kupchella) that, in a response to a season ticket holder who was whining about bad student behavior, implied that he would consider abolishing the student section if the behavior didn't improve. This was about 10 years ago. While Kupchella is gone and I don't think Kelley will do anything this stupid, it is something to keep an eye on from a distance. Never, ever take anything for granted. That is why I wish the students would fill that student section up for every game that they are in town for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Side note - You make it sound like the REA would be the ones who get all the money from selling those seats to the highest bidder. Every seat in the REA costs the same regardless of where it is. The difference is the donation that is required to get those seats. UND is the one who gets that money, not the REA. The donation to get those seats actually goes to the UND Alumni Association and Foundation, not UND itself. But I see your point. Anyone who paid attention to what has gone on with the Fighting Sioux nickname over the past two decades in no way can claim to be blindsided that it is retired. There has been issues with it forever, it wasn't something that came up out of the blue. Not saying you are wrong, but the outrage and indignation on this forum and across North Dakota suggests that they never saw this coming. I honestly am surprised that it actually happened; I just figured that the controversy would have continued to ebb and flow like it always had. Coming up scenarios that have absolutely less than zero basis for being formed is not being vigilant, it is ranting for the sake of ranting. I didn't realize ranting was unacceptable on this forum? Thanks for clearing that up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I didn't realize ranting was unacceptable on this forum? Thanks for clearing that up. No one said ranting was unacceptable. But doing so about something that has no basis in reality or any sort of supporting facts and then claiming it is in the sake of so called "vigilance" is tin-foil hat stuff. Also, I don't recall Kupchella ever threatening to abolish the student section. There were possibilities of it being moved and other options being explored but at no point did I ever hear a threat of abolishment. It would have been empty rhetoric as the backlash would have been monumental.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 No one said ranting was unacceptable. But doing so about something that has no basis in reality or any sort of supporting facts and then claiming it is in the sake of so called "vigilance" is tin-foil hat stuff. Also, I don't recall Kupchella ever threatening to abolish the student section. There were possibilities of it being moved and other options being explored but at no point did I ever hear a threat of abolishment. It would have been empty rhetoric as the backlash would have been monumental.. I saw it in the media someplace; it might have been the G.F. Herald or maybe the Dakota Student. All I know is that Kupchella was not a friend of UND Athletics and I am glad he is gone. I generally am not a conspiracy theorist, but Kupchella's actions during that period spooked me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackheart Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 ...And I remember a certain UND President (I believe his name was Kupchella) that, in a response to a season ticket holder who was whining about bad student behavior, implied that he would consider abolishing the student section if the behavior didn't improve. This was about 10 years ago. While Kupchella is gone and I don't think Kelley will do anything this stupid,....Hey, don't sell Kelley short...I feel something monumentally stupid coming from him in the near future. (Re: nickname) 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 Hey, don't sell Kelley short...I feel something monumentally stupid coming from him in the near future. (Re: nickname) Yeah, then he'll announce his retirement so that he can "Get out of Dodge" and escape the heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxjoy Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I was visiting with a student yesterday, and he mentioned that a lot of students chose not to purchase season tickets this year, instead just buying single-game tickets. The logic being that the fees involved with transferring tickets to another person are high enough that if you miss more than 3 games you lose money (or something like that...I didn't actually question the math). I think that is part of the reason why the student section was bare last season...students couldn't or didn't want to go to a specific game but weren't willing to pay the fees to transfer their tickets to another student. Gotta love Ticketmaster! This is just my theory based on second hand information, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I was visiting with a student yesterday, and he mentioned that a lot of students chose not to purchase season tickets this year, instead just buying single-game tickets. The logic being that the fees involved with transferring tickets to another person are high enough that if you miss more than 3 games you lose money (or something like that...I didn't actually question the math). I think that is part of the reason why the student section was bare last season...students couldn't or didn't want to go to a specific game but weren't willing to pay the fees to transfer their tickets to another student. Gotta love Ticketmaster! This is just my theory based on second hand information, though. Hadn't heard about those fees. Good point. We are seeing the issues with outsourcing both tickets and tv, is the UND admin? Ticketbast*rd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhockey30 Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I wonder also with the fees associated with transferring tickets, if students aren't going as much because the style has changed a little? Nothing gets the students more into the game or cheering than a big hit or a fight. When was the last time we had a fight at all? I'm not saying we should go out and fight or anything just a thought of why students aren't coming as much. You all know it as well as I do some people want to go to a hockey game to see a fight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericpnelson Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I hated the online ticket deal. I got myself prepared and all ready for a green and white account, but a lot of people had trouble with it. It's not something that someone can casually walk into and just decide to do. It's kind of a process. The fees suck royally. I could see someone just saying eff it, if they can't do it after like 10 minutes. Obviously they wouldn't be a hardcore fan, but maybe they could have been one in the making. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWSiouxMN Posted October 7, 2014 Share Posted October 7, 2014 I hated the online ticket deal. I got myself prepared and all ready for a green and white account, but a lot of people had trouble with it. It's not something that someone can casually walk into and just decide to do. It's kind of a process. The fees suck royally. I could see someone just saying eff it, if they can't do it after like 10 minutes. Obviously they wouldn't be a hardcore fan, but maybe they could have been one in the making. Lets go back to what we did my freshman year. CAMPOUT! oh wait..... lets not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxforce19 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I'm in favor of any ticket policy that gets the drunk girls that know nothing about hockey out of the front row. Or I would be if I was still in school! Ha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burd Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I wonder also with the fees associated with transferring tickets, if students aren't going as much because the style has changed a little? Nothing gets the students more into the game or cheering than a big hit or a fight. When was the last time we had a fight at all? I'm not saying we should go out and fight or anything just a thought of why students aren't coming as much. You all know it as well as I do some people want to go to a hockey game to see a fight.I really don't think many go to a game to see a fight. People like the excitement and a juiced up atmosphere, and even hockey idiots know that when they see it. Put an exciting team on the ice that wins and you will bring em in. The more students the better IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I think they announced that there will not be fees for transferring tickets, starting this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
choyt3 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 I think they announced that there will not be fees for transferring tickets, starting this year. No facts allowed. http://www.undsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=209672189Starting this season, all tickets that are forwarded using your My North Dakota account (season-ticket holders) or the Green & White account (students) are no longer subject to Ticketmaster transfer fees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianvf Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 How many of us actually thought the Fighting Sioux nickname and logo would be retired in our lifetimes? Really? The writing was on the wall for quite a long time there with all the controversy. With how politically correct everything is getting, I'm surprised it didn't happen sooner. I'm not saying that I like it, but I certainly wasn't surprised that it happened. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrkac Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 University of North Dakota Hockey 2014-15 season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxjoy Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 No facts allowed. http://www.undsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=209672189 It's too bad that announcement came out DURING student season ticket sales: 2014-2015 Student Season Ticket Lottery Dates/Times Classification Date/Time eligible to purchase season tickets Senior/Graduate Tuesday, September 23 at 9:00-9:30 p.m. Junior Tuesday, September 23 at 10:00-10:30 p.m. Sophomore Wednesday, September 24 at 9:00-9:30 p.m. Freshman Wednesday, September 24 at 10:00-10:30 p.m. http://www.undsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=3719497 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Primus Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 It's too bad that announcement came out DURING student season ticket sales: http://www.undsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=3719497 Just presenting facts here.... We released a bunch of new fan initiatives for students & general public throughout Monday 9.22 via REA, UND and NoDak Nation social media outlets. Judging by the RT's and favorites on this tweet, students were well aware before the lottery of the change: https://twitter.com/NoDak_Nation/status/514074132061757440 The release on 9.23 was a wrap-up release of everything that was announced on Monday 9.22 - the time stamp on that release currently shows "updated" meaning there was an error/omission/change after the initial release. Student hockey "lottery" was 9.23 and 9.24 at 9pm/10pm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MissSioux85 Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Sections 310 and 310A are now single-game, reserved seats for the general public http://www.undsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=209704198 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 Sections 310 and 310A are now single-game, reserved seats for the general public http://www.undsports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=13500&ATCLID=209704198 Those used to be student tickets, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted October 8, 2014 Share Posted October 8, 2014 in faison i trust! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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