2016 UND Recruiting

[jon28]

Evan Holm  Edina MN Just nominated for preseason candidate for Mr Football  Minnesota 2015.

 

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[LkvlleUNDFan]

I just talked to the parent of a '16 recruit that was offered by NDSU and several other FCS schools. When he called his recruiting coach at NDSU to let him know he had chosen another school, the coach's reaction was:

1. Silence....then, "Wow, I'm really surprised to hear that."
2. "Why would you pick a school that has only had 5 good players in the last five years, when we've had 50?"
3. "We'll see your ass on the field..."
4. Hung up on the recruit.
5. All of the above

And the answer is....#5.

For all of you that have expertise in this area, how is that a sustainable recruiting strategy? That family will forever go out of their way to discourage anyone from going to NDSU based on that experience. Kids change their minds all the time - and to slam the door on a kid that they clearly wanted seems both arrogant and short-sighted. And, really, is that any way for a grown man, supposedly professional, to treat a 17 year-old kid that has made multiple visits to your campus and simply felt called in another direction?

I guess I shouldn't be shocked, but that is some real ugliness coming out of Fargo and seems to be a pattern.

[Risky]

I just talked to the parent of a '16 recruit that was offered by NDSU and several other FCS schools. When he called his recruiting coach at NDSU to let him know he had chosen another school, the coach's reaction was:

1. Silence....then, "Wow, I'm really surprised to hear that."
2. "Why would you pick a school that has only had 5 good players in the last five years, when we've had 50?"
3. "We'll see your ass on the field..."
4. Hung up on the recruit.
5. All of the above

And the answer is....#5.

For all of you that have expertise in this area, how is that a sustainable recruiting strategy? That family will forever go out of their way to discourage anyone from going to NDSU based on that experience. Kids change their minds all the time - and to slam the door on a kid that they clearly wanted seems both arrogant and short-sighted. And, really, is that any way for a grown man, supposedly professional, to treat a 17 year-old kid that has made multiple visits to your campus and simply felt called in another direction?

I guess I shouldn't be shocked, but that is some real ugliness coming out of Fargo and seems to be a pattern.

Was this a recruit that committed  to UND?

[jdub27]

I just talked to the parent of a '16 recruit that was offered by NDSU and several other FCS schools. When he called his recruiting coach at NDSU to let him know he had chosen another school, the coach's reaction was:

1. Silence....then, "Wow, I'm really surprised to hear that."
2. "Why would you pick a school that has only had 5 good players in the last five years, when we've had 50?"
3. "We'll see your ass on the field..."
4. Hung up on the recruit.
5. All of the above

And the answer is....#5.

For all of you that have expertise in this area, how is that a sustainable recruiting strategy? That family will forever go out of their way to discourage anyone from going to NDSU based on that experience. Kids change their minds all the time - and to slam the door on a kid that they clearly wanted seems both arrogant and short-sighted. And, really, is that any way for a grown man, supposedly professional, to treat a 17 year-old kid that has made multiple visits to your campus and simply felt called in another direction?

I guess I shouldn't be shocked, but that is some real ugliness coming out of Fargo and seems to be a pattern.

Be prepared to be labeled a liar and hater among other things (despite your posting history indicating the complete opposite of that).  I was hoping for a part where the coach interjected to inform him that his offer was pulled so it didn't matter.  It is what it is, I've heard a few other similar stories but they've always been second or third hand. 

[UND-1]

Be prepared to be labeled a liar and hater among other things (despite your posting history indicating the complete opposite of that).  I was hoping for a part where the coach interjected to inform him that his offer was pulled so it didn't matter.  It is what it is, I've heard a few other similar stories but they've always been second or third hand. 

 

When you're the champ, you act how you want.  That's fine.  

But, the problem is they have reacted and acted this way for 30 years.  New coach, same story.

I can guarantee you they are now saying that kid wouldn't be able to live up to the "Bison Way", if he thinks like that.  Much like Carey Woods was labeled.  

[Siouxperman8]

I just talked to the parent of a '16 recruit that was offered by NDSU and several other FCS schools. When he called his recruiting coach at NDSU to let him know he had chosen another school, the coach's reaction was:

1. Silence....then, "Wow, I'm really surprised to hear that."
2. "Why would you pick a school that has only had 5 good players in the last five years, when we've had 50?"
3. "We'll see your ass on the field..."
4. Hung up on the recruit.
5. All of the above

And the answer is....#5.

For all of you that have expertise in this area, how is that a sustainable recruiting strategy? That family will forever go out of their way to discourage anyone from going to NDSU based on that experience. Kids change their minds all the time - and to slam the door on a kid that they clearly wanted seems both arrogant and short-sighted. And, really, is that any way for a grown man, supposedly professional, to treat a 17 year-old kid that has made multiple visits to your campus and simply felt called in another direction?

I guess I shouldn't be shocked, but that is some real ugliness coming out of Fargo and seems to be a pattern.

Not doubting your story but - Classy bunch if that is accurate.

Edited August 18, 2015 by Siouxperman8

[jdub27]

When you're the champ, you act how you want.  That's fine.  

But, the problem is they have reacted and acted this way for 30 years.  New coach, same story.

I can guarantee you they are now saying that kid wouldn't be able to live up to the "Bison Way", if he thinks like that.  Much like Carey Woods was labeled.  

It's as if you've heard this story before....

[LkvlleUNDFan]

Was this a recruit that committed  to UND?

No - to another FCS school.

[LkvlleUNDFan]

Be prepared to be labeled a liar and hater among other things (despite your posting history indicating the complete opposite of that).  I was hoping for a part where the coach interjected to inform him that his offer was pulled so it didn't matter.  It is what it is, I've heard a few other similar stories but they've always been second or third hand. 

That's fine. Bad behavior should have consequences, and if no one knows about it there are few or only minor ones. I know the source of the comments well enough to know that he didn't lie or embellish the story. It matches others I've heard - though this was even worse. If the trolls want to label me, they will. That doesn't change the truth.

[The Sicatoka]

No - to another FCS school.

The credibility factor just went up in my mind. 

[2TRU4U]

which coach was it?

[LkvlleUNDFan]

which coach was it?

Sorry, but I was asked to avoid sharing the details. The parent I talked with isn't being vindictive, just sharing his son's experiences with different schools both during the courting process and when he called to inform them of his decision. I'd be breaking his confidence if I shared that.

[2TRU4U]

Sorry, but I was asked to avoid sharing the details. The parent I talked with isn't being vindictive, just sharing his son's experiences with different schools both during the courting process and when he called to inform them of his decision. I'd be breaking his confidence if I shared that.

No worries, I was just curious being I know a few of the coaches on the staff.  I would be really disappointed if it was one of them, because that doesn't sound like anything they would say

[CMSioux]

Some new names here - so yet another comes here to defend "them. Still more proof they've moooved on. 

[nd1sufan]

Sorry, but I was asked to avoid sharing the details. The parent I talked with isn't being vindictive, just sharing his son's experiences with different schools both during the courting process and when he called to inform them of his decision. I'd be breaking his confidence if I shared that.

Must have been Hedberg. They are having a hard time breaking him of the recruiting habits he learned at UND.

[UND1983]

Must have been Hedberg. They are having a hard time breaking him of the recruiting habits he learned at UND.

Weak and sad.  

[nd1sufan]

Weak and sad.  

Weak and sad is lying about a rival because you can't compete with them on the field or in recruiting. Knowing the head coach a little I don't believe it. And I know a die hard UND fan very well that has kids on the same teams as Klieman's kids, and he doesn't believe it either. As much as he hates NDSU, he doesn't think Klieman would put up with this type of behavior.

The coach was most likely surprised and somewhat silenced when he first heard from the recruit. He may have said the school he picked doesn't have the track record of developing players and winning like NDSU. He may have said we will see you on the field and hope to beat you. But it did not happen like LkvlleUNDfan would like everybody to believe. But believe what you would like if you can sleep better thinking NDSU is an evil empire.  

[Sioux94]

Yeah I'm sure the dad and the kid made up the number 50.....and 5 also....just to embellish the story more and make it seem more realistic.

[Sioux94]

We hadn't heard from many Bison fans on this thread lately, it's good to know that we have a couple that are still checking our recruiting thread every couple of hours

[UND1983]

Weak and sad is lying about a rival because you can't compete with them on the field or in recruiting. Knowing the head coach a little I don't believe it. And I know a die hard UND fan very well that has kids on the same teams as Klieman's kids, and he doesn't believe it either. As much as he hates NDSU, he doesn't think Klieman would put up with this type of behavior.

The coach was most likely surprised and somewhat silenced when he first heard from the recruit. He may have said the school he picked doesn't have the track record of developing players and winning like NDSU. He may have said we will see you on the field and hope to beat you. But it did not happen like LkvlleUNDfan would like everybody to believe. But believe what you would like if you can sleep better thinking NDSU is an evil empire.  

Amazing how NDSU fans see their coaches and how others see them.  BTW, it wasn't in ND and UND didn't have a dog in the hunt so stop blaming them.   The poster of the comment is not a UND through and through person.  

How would Kleiman know what the assistant said to the kid?  The kid didn't report him or anything.

Every winter we are supposedly lying about recruiting situations but slowly it turns out we are right and your local spokesman over at BV is wrong.  

Edited August 19, 2015 by Sioux83

[nd1sufan]

Amazing how NDSU fans see their coaches and how others see them.  BTW, it wasn't in ND and UND didn't have a dog in the hunt so stop blaming them.   The poster of the comment is not a UND through and through person.  

How would Kleiman know what the assistant said to the kid?  The kid didn't report him or anything.

Every winter we are supposedly lying about recruiting situations but slowly it turns out we are right and your local spokesman over at BV is wrong.  

So what are we to believe? First we hear complaining about this NDSU staff continuing relationships with recruits and actually keeping in contact with them after they have committed to other schools. Now we hear they are being mean to recruits that commit elsewhere and burning all bridges? Same staff, but completely opposite tactics. 

[UND1983]

So what are we to believe? First we hear complaining about this NDSU staff continuing relationships with recruits and actually keeping in contact with them after they have committed to other schools. Now we hear they are being mean to recruits that commit elsewhere and burning all bridges? Same staff, but completely opposite tactics. 

You don't believe anything that is brought up here.  Is it possible that they act more than one way, depending on the recruit and time of the year?  They talk to 100's of recruits every year and at the end of the year they start trying to steal other team kids to fill their class, like all staff's do.  Hence the staying in contact with recruits.  Just so happens that they have been trying to get UND's lately when they didn't 2-3 years ago.

The guy laid out the entire conversation above and you don't believe it.  Unreal.  

 

[BigGame]

It wouldn't surprise me if this was true or at least partially true because for all the good intelligent football coaches you have a lot of bad apples as well.  Not just in recruiting but in other situations like the what happened with the RB at Illinois State this offseason.  That being said, if Klieman got wind of this I am sure he would rip his coach a new B hole because you can't have staff hurting your reputation because it may not affect the program right away but this stuff would eventually catch up with you on the recruiting trail. 

[nd1sufan]

You don't believe anything that is brought up here.  Is it possible that they act more than one way, depending on the recruit and time of the year?  They talk to 100's of recruits every year and at the end of the year they start trying to steal other team kids to fill their class, like all staff's do.  Hence the staying in contact with recruits.  Just so happens that they have been trying to get UND's lately when they didn't 2-3 years ago.

The guy laid out the entire conversation above and you don't believe it.  Unreal.  

 

A second hand conversation whose source is the father of a kid going to a rival FCS school. Do you suppose he may have a reason to try to steer kids away from the king of the FCS hill? Maybe so his kids school has a better chance of climbing that hill? I think you would have a hard time finding a rival coach say anything bad about Klieman. But you think what you want. My guess if a story came out about Bubba like this from LkvlleNDSUfan, you may refute it also. 

[jdub27]

A second hand conversation whose source is the father of a kid going to a rival FCS school. Do you suppose he may have a reason to try to steer kids away from the king of the FCS hill? Maybe so his kids school has a better chance of climbing that hill? I think you would have a hard time finding a rival coach say anything bad about Klieman. But you think what you want. My guess if a story came out about Bubba like this from LkvlleNDSUfan, you may refute it also. 

No one said it was Klieman that did it.