FSSD Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 55 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Missed this rumor: Middle Tennessee State and Western Kentucky are claimed going to the MAC. That would kick C-USA down to three (FIU, LaTech, UTEP). C-USA would need the four (Liberty, NMSU, SHSU, Jacksonville State) just to maintain a pulse. Under that (C-USA 3 + 4) scenario, C-USA almost has to figure out how to get back to a viable number. A northern branch of seven or so to make 14 in the conference would get C-USA off life support. The MAC is really throwing these two a lifeline. Because they don't really fit the academic profile of the other MAC schools. - This moves MAC south into two markets that are actually growing. Most of the MAC schools are located in smaller communities and the schools that are in larger metros have a slow growth profile (Kalamazoo and Buffalo are the only positive growth areas in the MAC). So, this a major positive for the MAC. - Neither MTSU or WKU are research schools - all other MAC schools are R2 minimum. So, these schools are out of alignment on the research profile. I really didn't see the MAC doing much during this round of change. The AAC pulled in questionable schools from a historical athletic profile. But, really concentrated on large metro areas with schools that had R1 (Rice, UAB, UNT)/R2 (FAU, UNCC, UTSA) research profile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 29 minutes ago, FSSD said: The MAC is really throwing these two a lifeline. Because they don't really fit the academic profile of the other MAC schools. - This moves MAC south into two markets that are actually growing. Most of the MAC schools are located in smaller communities and the schools that are in larger metros have a slow growth profile (Kalamazoo and Buffalo are the only positive growth areas in the MAC). So, this a major positive for the MAC. - Neither MTSU or WKU are research schools - all other MAC schools are R2 minimum. So, these schools are out of alignment on the research profile. I really didn't see the MAC doing much during this round of change. The AAC pulled in questionable schools from a historical athletic profile. But, really concentrated on large metro areas with schools that had R1 (Rice, UAB, UNT)/R2 (FAU, UNCC, UTSA) research profile. i also find the adds of wku and mtsu to the MAC weird....just doesn't pass the eye test.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 14 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: i also find the adds of wku and mtsu to the MAC weird....just doesn't pass the eye test.... People are moving south out of the old "rust belt". Those areas of KY and TN are getting a lot of those transplants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted November 2, 2021 Share Posted November 2, 2021 3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: People are moving south out of the old "rust belt". Those areas of KY and TN are getting a lot of those transplants. agreed...just weird bc the MAC seems to be stuck in a timewarp...change never really happens with them....nice gets but just weird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 2, 2021 Author Share Posted November 2, 2021 23 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: agreed...just weird bc the MAC seems to be stuck in a timewarp...change never really happens with them....nice gets but just weird Money (new FBS TV deal and expanded FBS playoff all coming in 2025) makes schools and conferences do curious things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 5, 2021 Author Share Posted November 5, 2021 SiouxVolley (RIP) thought the path to FBS would go through the WAC trying to reestablish as an FBS conference. Seems a WAC member (albeit a newbie one) doesn't believe an FBS WAC will happen and that's why they took the C-USA offer as the path to FBS: Quote On Sam Houston’s press conference, president Alisa White says the WAC’s hopes to become an FBS conference may not happen because of a coming solidification of FBS with NCAA governance changes, so Sam Houston had to make this C-USA move now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernraider Posted November 5, 2021 Share Posted November 5, 2021 Sam Houston and Jacksonville State officially going the CUSA. One day schools will realize going "FBS" isn't not always greener on the other side. Why try to win an actual Championship, when you can play on a Tuesday night in December in Mobile and lose money doing it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 Middle Tennessee is staying in C-USA. Western Kentucky - you’re up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, zonadub said: Middle Tennessee is staying in C-USA. Western Kentucky - you’re up I suspect the MAC invite was both or neither. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 21 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: I suspect the MAC invite was both or neither. C-USA stable at 9 then? WAC loses 2 - NMSU & Sam Houston. Will they go after more Texas schools now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, zonadub said: C-USA stable at 9 then? Whispers of Missouri State and/or UT-Chattanooga abound ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 10, 2021 Author Share Posted November 10, 2021 14 minutes ago, zonadub said: WAC loses 2 - NMSU & Sam Houston. Will they go after more Texas schools now? Say you are the grand old place of higher ed-juh-muh-kay-shun, "Whazamattah U," ... and the WAC calls ... and you know NMSU, SHSU, and McNeese State have all bailed on the WAC, you jumping in with both feet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Say you are the grand old place of higher ed-juh-muh-kay-shun, "Whazamattah U," ... and the WAC calls ... and you know NMSU, SHSU, and McNeese State have all bailed on the WAC, you jumping in with both feet? Not to mention Denver, UMKC. Who’d-a-thunk the Summit would be more stable than the WAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
northernraider Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 2 hours ago, zonadub said: Middle Tennessee is staying in C-USA. Western Kentucky - you’re up I went to undergrad at MTSU and the few of us fans that care are not happy about staying. C-USA is basically FCS 1.5 not there is anything wrong with FCS. However, it is basically saying we want to be FBS without doing FBS type of things. The entire CUSA should do a WAC and become FCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sioux>Bison Posted November 10, 2021 Share Posted November 10, 2021 5 hours ago, zonadub said: C-USA stable at 9 then? WAC loses 2 - NMSU & Sam Houston. Will they go after more Texas schools now? Nope all of the Texas schools that had future ambitions have jumped ship to try and join the CUSA. The WAC may try to add schools but not the ones who have FBS ambitions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted November 12, 2021 Share Posted November 12, 2021 On 11/10/2021 at 10:19 AM, The Sicatoka said: Say you are the grand old place of higher ed-juh-muh-kay-shun, "Whazamattah U," ... and the WAC calls ... and you know NMSU, SHSU, and McNeese State have all bailed on the WAC, you jumping in with both feet? Rocky & Bullwinkle reference… Wossamotta U. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yote 53 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 UMKC is a dog. The MVC is literally taking the Summit leftovers. First they sniffed around Omaha, now Kansas City. This isn't your parent's MVC anymore. That conference has fallen pretty hard. Summit should strike first and invite UNI to the conference. Heck, we should just approach all the Valley Football schools and start a new conference of state schools and move it en masse to FBS. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 5 minutes ago, Yote 53 said: UMKC is a dog. The MVC is literally taking the Summit leftovers. First they sniffed around Omaha, now Kansas City. This isn't your parent's MVC anymore. That conference has fallen pretty hard. Summit should strike first and invite UNI to the conference. Heck, we should just approach all the Valley Football schools and start a new conference of state schools and move it en masse to FBS. Let NDSU join the MAC first and than send them independent for non football sports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, Yote 53 said: UMKC is a dog. The MVC is literally taking the Summit leftovers. First they sniffed around Omaha, now Kansas City. This isn't your parent's MVC anymore. That conference has fallen pretty hard. Summit should strike first and invite UNI to the conference. Heck, we should just approach all the Valley Football schools and start a new conference of state schools and move it en masse to FBS. You know who else was dog? Loyola... and then they ended up being good lmaooo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Murray and Kansas City are within the MVC footprint, but Arlington is quite a bit outside. Would they go after Oral Roberts then too, to link the geography? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 9 minutes ago, zonadub said: Murray and Kansas City are within the MVC footprint, but Arlington is quite a bit outside. Would they go after Oral Roberts then too, to link the geography? Ndsu mad they aren’t getting invite Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yote 53 Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said: You know who else was dog? Loyola... and then they ended up being good lmaooo And how many times is that going to repeat itself? Loyola actually had some history, they had just been down for a while. UMKC has no history and has never been good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 Overall I would like the Summit League to push the budgets more toward $2.5 million. This would move them more toward the middle of the pack. Here is a list of conference Avg Budget and current NCAA tournament credits. Conference Avg Budgets Credits P-6 ACC $11.70 100 P-6 SEC $10.70 71 P-6 Big XII $10.50 82 P-6 Big East $10.00 54 P-6 Big 10 $9.90 82 P-6 Pac 12 $8.50 55 High Major American $6.50 25 High Major Atlantic-10 $5.00 19 High Major WCC $4.90 27 High Major MWC $4.20 11 High Major C-USA $3.00 10 High Major MVC $2.90 18 High Major Colonial $2.90 6 Mid-Major Big West $2.60 9 Mid-Major MAC $2.50 9 Mid-Major MAAC $2.50 6 Mid-Major WAC $2.50 6 Mid-Major Horizon $2.30 6 Mid-Major Patriot $2.20 7 Mid-Major Sun Belt $2.10 7 Low-Major America East $2.00 9 Low-Major A-Sun $2.00 8 Low-Major OVC $1.80 9 Low-Major Summit $1.80 9 Low-Major Southern $1.80 7 Low-Major Big Sky $1.80 6 Low-Major NEC $1.70 8 Low-Major Big South $1.60 7 Low Ivy $1.40 6 Low Southland $1.30 8 Low MEAC $1.20 7 Low SWAC $1.00 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSSD Posted November 17, 2021 Share Posted November 17, 2021 And you can see that KC budget is more in line with MVC than TSL. NOTE: Mills have a new contract - I can't find an updated value and STU has D-III numbers. But, I am sure that has changed a great deal. But, I would like to see everyone push toward the $2.5 million area. USD, Omaha and WIU have some work to do. Budget (mil) School Coach Pay Coach 2.53 Denver $180,000 - $200,000 Wulbrun 2.25 Kansas City $350,000 Donlon 2.18 SDSU $275,000 Hendo 2.09 ORU $199,082* Mills 1.94 UND $180,000 Sather 1.72 NDSU $230,000 Richman 1.47 USD $265,000 Lee 1.26 Omaha $180,353 Hansen 1.19 WIU $132,500 Wright $257,302 STU Tauer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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