UND @ NDSU 10/5/24

[homer]

1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said:

Why’s that? Is it because our WRs are able to get open against good DBs? Surely this hasn’t been the case for 90% of our WRs under bubba.

Likely more so that the QB has shown struggles finding and completing passes.  Guys were open. 

[UND1983]

1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said:

Why’s that? Is it because our WRs are able to get open against good DBs? Surely this hasn’t been the case for 90% of our WRs under bubba.

Or we weren't or aren't willing to try so why worry about it

[ND-fan]

My previous post I never intended to mean we’re staying at mediocre  or status quo because I think Bubba has made great improvements in his tenure here as coach and contrary to number posters his teams are coached well just look at few penalties they have as team usually. When he has changed coaches there have been up grades. Like fighting Sioux 4 life said facility improvement will make difference in the future. My point is thetime line getting to championship level may be at different pace than a lot of the posters on this forum want.

Also I want to respond to comments on Fargo achieving their success ahead of UND. There have been number of things to make this happen.  First that Fargo went first to division I football and it was different time basically they were only competing for recruits in Minnesota, South Dakota State, and Wisconsin that were Division I and other major areas of country were not recruiting here. There competition was UofM, Wisconsin, and South Dakota State the two big 10 schools were not looking at kids that had great potential and South Dakota State was clearly second choice at that time. This great advantage in stock piling talent plus there success fed it even more on recruiting. Second Fargo puts way more money into football and has enough resources left to keep other program funded to compete. Now compare UND we have hockey that sucks up available resources and now only recently we have been putting more resources to football. This is not to mention other Und sports have not been funded like top teams in the conference so we are desperate need to find resources for these sports. This has also reflected in coaching salaries and  resources for athletes to play here. Even Fargo is now having difficulty gathering resources to maintain quality of players coming into there program. Second Fargo has come to realize our demographics and location doesn’t make us desirable prospect for large FBS conferences. To get to FBS level Dakota schools and Montana Schools  are going to have create FBS conference with  other teams of their conference liked the Montana schools and Iowa did  when they moved up toFCs  level back 40 some years ago.  The last factor is media is now controlled in Fargo and this made it much more difficult get media presence to large number people and recruits to grow the program.

The times have changed now in last four years to where the movement of teams and players changed FCs football where.top teams FcS football reside in valley and Big Sky conferences. The reason for this other power FCS schools have moved up to FBS level of football and traditional upper  Midwest teams remain locked into FCS football. This is same scenario, we had nearly 20 years ago in division II football. The problem is schools here are facing two big hurdles cost and distance to move another conference in FBS and second we don’t have demographics for tv to generate enough revenue to be wanted by other conferences. This has been scenario of anything in upper Midwest to get rest of the country to invest here. This why we need to build our own conference and build our own media outlet designed for the upper Midwest to fund this conference.  The local media people keep thinking Fargo can escape because of their success but this is not happening. These people need to start promoting what I have proposed this how we have come this far now because we had build it ourselves but it going to take all these universities and regions these schools represented to get behind this or we will have come full circle back to where we were 20 to 40 years ago.

[F'n Hawks]

1 hour ago, homer said:

Likely more so that the QB has shown struggles finding and completing passes.  Guys were open. 

I’m sure there were some missed and I believe Jerry deserves a shot, but I think some here will be surprised how little separation our WR’s get other than Bo against good teams. Jerry isn’t going to change that.

[UND1983]

We look the same every year. We recruit the same every year. We coach the same every year.  Our record is the same every year.  

 

 

[Devils]

7 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:

I’m sure there were some missed and I believe Jerry deserves a shot, but I think some here will be surprised how little separation our WR’s get other than Bo against good teams. Jerry isn’t going to change that.

I remember during the Montana game they showed highlights of when we beat them in 2018 or whatever and our receivers looked so much more physical than what we've had the last few years.  For being a supposed speedster, I can't remember Dennis catching a pass over 10 yards.  

[Shawn-O]

23 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Where do you live? Seems odd you've never been. 

It's better than the Alerus but the Alerus is better for Grand Forks. UND has no need for something that size. 

It's getting old now. No idea if it's worth trying to fix up or just start raising money for a newer place. 

Other than UND football every other year there’s no reason for me to set foot inside.  Nothing odd about it.  

[fightingsioux4life]

29 minutes ago, Shawn-O said:

Other than UND football every other year there’s no reason for me to set foot inside.  Nothing odd about it.  

I have went to several concerts at the Alerus Center (The Eagles, Fleetwood Mac, Aerosmith, Aerosmith and KISS, Nickelback, Nickelback/Staind/Puddle of Mudd).

[JackJD]

On 10/8/2024 at 12:15 PM, UND1983 said:

They also had never had an ounce of success in their history and weren't playing in the same state as the perennial national champion. SDSU had very little expectations upon them until very recently.

Not a big deal but SDSU was the dominant NCC team from 1949 through 1963. Ralph Ginn-coached teams won 9 NCC titles in those years. 1963 was the piivotal year, after which SDSU faded and NDSU emerged as the big dog. For the 1963 season, NDSU hired Darrell Mudra and Bison boosters laid the foundation for Teammakers to support the program.  In 1964, Mudra's team won the NCC title and in his third and final season as head coach, 1965, Mudra's Bison repeated as NCC Champs.  The Bison decided to stay at the top.  Meanwhile, SDSU struggled.  Success slowly started to return on a regular basis when Mike Dailey became SDSU's head Coach (and Coach Stig was an assistant). 

But SDSU fortunes didn't start reaching higher until SDSU committed to joining NDSU in transitioning to Div 1 FCS, SDSU planned to raise and spend a lot of money on new and improved facilities, coaching staffs and program support.  I give a lot of credit to hiring Justin Sell as the Athletic Director to lead the effort.  Coach Stig was given the opportunity to become the modern CEO Head Coach as we started adding more assistant coaches, matching the number of assistants other FCS programs employed.  And there's no question that the tremendous improvement in facilities put SDSU on par with the top FCS facilities in the country.  Last, tremendous support from alums and fans of SDSU emerged, led by stadium-namesake Dana J. Dykhouse, a Jackrabbit football alum (his son was too). 

[UND1983]

15 minutes ago, JackJD said:

Not a big deal but SDSU was the dominant NCC team from 1949 through 1963. Ralph Ginn-coached teams won 9 NCC titles in those years. 1963 was the piivotal year, after which SDSU faded and NDSU emerged as the big dog. For the 1963 season, NDSU hired Darrell Mudra and Bison boosters laid the foundation for Teammakers to support the program.  In 1964, Mudra's team won the NCC title and in his third and final season as head coach, 1965, Mudra's Bison repeated as NCC Champs.  The Bison decided to stay at the top.  Meanwhile, SDSU struggled.  Success slowly started to return on a regular basis when Mike Dailey became SDSU's head Coach (and Coach Stig was an assistant). 

But SDSU fortunes didn't start reaching higher until SDSU committed to joining NDSU in transitioning to Div 1 FCS, SDSU planned to raise and spend a lot of money on new and improved facilities, coaching staffs and program support.  I give a lot of credit to hiring Justin Sell as the Athletic Director to lead the effort.  Coach Stig was given the opportunity to become the modern CEO Head Coach as we started adding more assistant coaches, matching the number of assistants other FCS programs employed.  And there's no question that the tremendous improvement in facilities put SDSU on par with the top FCS facilities in the country.  Last, tremendous support from alums and fans of SDSU emerged, led by stadium-namesake Dana J. Dykhouse, a Jackrabbit football alum (his son was too). 

I understand all that but their run of not winning much of anything for 40 years led to a long leash for Stig and the AD to do what they felt was necessary during the transition to D1. Now, they did it correctly and recruited well, invested and stuff.  So it was a great story no doubt. There aren't many programs that are going to stay with a guy that long these days and hope it pans out.  

[NDRA]

4 hours ago, UND1983 said:

We look the same every year. We recruit the same every year. We coach the same every year.  Our record is the same every year.  

 

 

As far as recruiting it looks like offers are out to the right guys as most of both SUs commits have ND offers, but for whatever reason, they chose not to come here and go to those other schools instead.

[JackJD]

5 hours ago, UND1983 said:

I understand all that but their run of not winning much of anything for 40 years led to a long leash for Stig and the AD to do what they felt was necessary during the transition to D1. Now, they did it correctly and recruited well, invested and stuff.  So it was a great story no doubt. There aren't many programs that are going to stay with a guy that long these days and hope it pans out.  

I've always thought the administration and fans quietly recognized that we didn't provide sufficient support for SDSU football. Actually, for the poor investment, we got a pretty good bang for the buck. Stig was highly respected as a person and was considered a very good coach. We just didn't give him the right support for many years. I've often thought that the inability to play at a championship level was recognized as a fault of the fans, boosters and administrators.  I recall conversations over those years in which Jacks fans were pretty honest in their assessment that we didn't give the program enough support. It seems there never was much discussion about replacing Stig.  Maybe some fans think we're lucky Stig didn't "replace" us and that may appear as having a long leash but we probably owed it to the guy.  

Now, on game days, Stig brings out more smiles, takes more selfies with fans, and shakes more hands than a politician while walking around in the tailgate area. 

[FSSD]

19 hours ago, JackJD said:

Not a big deal but SDSU was the dominant NCC team from 1949 through 1963. Ralph Ginn-coached teams won 9 NCC titles in those years. 1963 was the piivotal year, after which SDSU faded and NDSU emerged as the big dog. For the 1963 season, NDSU hired Darrell Mudra and Bison boosters laid the foundation for Teammakers to support the program.  In 1964, Mudra's team won the NCC title and in his third and final season as head coach, 1965, Mudra's Bison repeated as NCC Champs.  The Bison decided to stay at the top.  Meanwhile, SDSU struggled.  Success slowly started to return on a regular basis when Mike Dailey became SDSU's head Coach (and Coach Stig was an assistant). 

But SDSU fortunes didn't start reaching higher until SDSU committed to joining NDSU in transitioning to Div 1 FCS, SDSU planned to raise and spend a lot of money on new and improved facilities, coaching staffs and program support.  I give a lot of credit to hiring Justin Sell as the Athletic Director to lead the effort.  Coach Stig was given the opportunity to become the modern CEO Head Coach as we started adding more assistant coaches, matching the number of assistants other FCS programs employed.  And there's no question that the tremendous improvement in facilities put SDSU on par with the top FCS facilities in the country.  Last, tremendous support from alums and fans of SDSU emerged, led by stadium-namesake Dana J. Dykhouse, a Jackrabbit football alum (his son was too). 

Come on JD you know what created the great SDSU turn around.  It was high interest low credit scores customers.

South Dakota became a major hub for credit card operations in the early 1980s. This shift began when Citibank moved its credit card operations from New York to South Dakota in 1981. The move was largely influenced by the state’s decision to lift its cap on interest rates, following the Marquette decision by the Supreme Court, which allowed banks to export interest rates to other states.

This legislative change made South Dakota an attractive location for banks, leading to its reputation as the “capital of credit cards.”  Over the decades, the credit card industry has contributed significantly to South Dakota’s economy.   In 2019, the financial services sector, which includes credit card operations, accounted for about 16% of South Dakota’s GDP.  Today, the financial services sector represents about 35.9% of the state’s GDP.

This lead to the direct creation of wealth for T. Denny Sanford who made his fortune primarily through the banking and credit card industry. He is the owner of First PREMIER Bank and PREMIER Bankcard, which specialize in subprime credit cards.  Sanford’s success in this niche market has made him one of the wealthiest individuals in South Dakota, with an estimated net worth of around $2 billion.  Only reason SDSU could make to the jump to DI was they had his support.  Without it, it would have been a disaster plain and simple.  Wash it all you want JD, it's about the money and prior to Credit Cards the State had no money.  No money, no DI.

[geaux_sioux]

12 hours ago, homer said:

Likely more so that the QB has shown struggles finding and completing passes.  Guys were open. 

I don’t recall our WRs running open all game consistently 

[geaux_sioux]

12 hours ago, UND1983 said:

Or we weren't or aren't willing to try so why worry about it

This is a top tier dumbest post I’ve ever read. 

[Sioux>Bison]

On 10/7/2024 at 7:59 PM, jdub27 said:

How's he getting a year back? Unless something changed, this is his 4th year of eligibility whether he plays or not (5 years to play 4 unless there's a medical redshirt).

Taking a year off from school so this year doesn’t count?

[Sioux>Bison]

On 10/9/2024 at 11:25 AM, JohnboyND7 said:

Where do you live? Seems odd you've never been. 

It's better than the Alerus but the Alerus is better for Grand Forks. UND has no need for something that size. 

It's getting old now. No idea if it's worth trying to fix up or just start raising money for a newer place. 

The only thing better about the FargoDome is it holds more people. Other than that it’s a dump

[UND-FB-FAN]

18 hours ago, UND1983 said:

We look the same every year. We recruit the same every year. We coach the same every year.  Our record is the same every year.  

 

 

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" 

Why should we expect different - like actually competing with NDSU or SDSU - unless there’s legitimate change? New facilities could be considered this I suppose. Next 1-2 years will be telling, but don’t lose sight of the fact coaching matters. There’s a reason they get paid what they get paid … coaching is influential and plays a major role in the wins and the losses.

[homer]

9 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

I don’t recall our WRs running open all game consistently 

There were plenty of missed opportunities.  

[petey23]

8 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:

Taking a year off from school so this year doesn’t count?

Once you start college, you have 5 years to play 4 seasons under NCAA rules. This would be year 4 for him whether he is in school or not.

 

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, homer said:

There were plenty of missed opportunities.  

Maybe it just didn’t translate on the tube

[Kab]

2 hours ago, petey23 said:

Once you start college, you have 5 years to play 4 seasons under NCAA rules. This would be year 4 for him whether he is in school or not.

 

His father said on Izzo that being he dropped  out before the school year started it did not count, that’s why he did when he did 

[petey23]

24 minutes ago, Kab said:

His father said on Izzo that being he dropped  out before the school year started it did not count, that’s why he did when he did 

Yeah. I was thinking along the lines of playing D1 in which case he would have one year left. I have heard a rumor he may head to U Mary which would give him an extra year.

 

The Five-Year Clock in Division I

In NCAA Division I, student-athletes are bound by what is commonly referred to as the "Five-Year Clock." 

Simply put, you have five calendar years within which to complete four seasons of competition. 

Remember that this is a continuous five-year timeframe, which means you cannot take a few years off in between.

The Ten-Semester/15-Quarter Clock in Division II

When it comes to Division II, the eligibility clock functions a bit differently. 

Student-athletes have either 10 semesters or 15 quarters to complete their four seasons of competition. 

The distinct aspect here is that the clock only moves when you're enrolled as a full-time student. If you decide to take a semester off or enroll part-time, the clock pauses, affording you greater flexibility. 

[SlowHand]

On 10/10/2024 at 10:37 PM, FSSD said:

Come on JD you know what created the great SDSU turn around.  It was high interest low credit scores customers.

South Dakota became a major hub for credit card operations in the early 1980s. This shift began when Citibank moved its credit card operations from New York to South Dakota in 1981. The move was largely influenced by the state’s decision to lift its cap on interest rates, following the Marquette decision by the Supreme Court, which allowed banks to export interest rates to other states.

This legislative change made South Dakota an attractive location for banks, leading to its reputation as the “capital of credit cards.”  Over the decades, the credit card industry has contributed significantly to South Dakota’s economy.   In 2019, the financial services sector, which includes credit card operations, accounted for about 16% of South Dakota’s GDP.  Today, the financial services sector represents about 35.9% of the state’s GDP.

This lead to the direct creation of wealth for T. Denny Sanford who made his fortune primarily through the banking and credit card industry. He is the owner of First PREMIER Bank and PREMIER Bankcard, which specialize in subprime credit cards.  Sanford’s success in this niche market has made him one of the wealthiest individuals in South Dakota, with an estimated net worth of around $2 billion.  Only reason SDSU could make to the jump to DI was they had his support.  Without it, it would have been a disaster plain and simple.  Wash it all you want JD, it's about the money and prior to Credit Cards the State had no money.  No money, no DI.

This is a very true post.  Sanford got SDSU to where they are today. 

BTW:  I said years ago that the only way UND progresses is a coaching change.  Bubba will get you close, but never over the top.

 

[UND1983]

Where have the Bison fans been all fall?  Welcome back