NDSU @ The UND 10/14/2023

[sioux24/7]

I think we can win but I was far more confident 2 years ago. 

[Shawn-O]

3 hours ago, Und246 said:

Bison fans and media care just as much or more than UND fans. They just won’t admit it. If we lose our fans will be disappointed but life will go on. If NDSU loses there will be mass suicides in Fargo. In a nutshell that tells you everything. 

Entz will be fired in the parking lot.  

[UND-FB-FAN]

10 hours ago, word said:

In their defense, that is a pretty prevalent issue across the country.

Not an issue for the ND flagship (UND)

.….own the farm 

congrats to Dale and the 2003 team being inducted to the Hall of Fame last night. I still wish Dale was on the sideline for us. He simply had the “it” factor for UND football that our current staff doesn’t have and needs. 
 

hopefully his presence along with Roger Thomas’ presence on Saturday gets us over the hump.

 

[geaux_sioux]

51 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Not an issue for the ND flagship (UND)

.….own the farm 

congrats to Dale and the 2003 team being inducted to the Hall of Fame last night. I still wish Dale was on the sideline for us. He simply had the “it” factor for UND football that our current staff doesn’t have and needs. 
 

hopefully his presence along with Roger Thomas’ presence on Saturday gets us over the hump.

 

Dale has serious gravitas

[forksandspoons]

Contain the run! About time the offense scores 30+ against SU. We’re more than due! LGH

[UND-FB-FAN]

I’m still very concerned for serious heartbreak in this one.

Hype in the building for this game means UND will likely come out hot and ready to go (see 2021 NDSU and 2022 SDSU games) but I worry that this NDSU staff will outcoach Bubba in the 4th quarter (again) and let us all down … again.
 

Don’t forget, this NDSU staff has won a championship, they aren’t idiots…(at least all of them aren’t). 

[Goon]

This was the first UND vs. NDSU game I ever attended. From McFooley. 

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The date was Oct. 30, 1993 — almost exactly 30 years ago — and prior to kickoff that day the then-Fighting Sioux hadn't defeated the mighty Bison in 12 years. Twelve long years. Twelve years that saw NDSU become the kings of NCAA Division II with five national championships in seven seasons and a collection of NFL players. UND was often a smudge on the bottom of the Bison's cleats during that stretch.

 

[Shawn-O]

2 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Not an issue for the ND flagship (UND)

.….own the farm 

congrats to Dale and the 2003 team being inducted to the Hall of Fame last night. I still wish Dale was on the sideline for us. He simply had the “it” factor for UND football that our current staff doesn’t have and needs. 
 

hopefully his presence along with Roger Thomas’ presence on Saturday gets us over the hump.

 

I have an extra headset I'd be willing to borrow out!   

[UND-FB-FAN]

16 minutes ago, Shawn-O said:

I have an extra headset I'd be willing to borrow out!   

Don’t think will help unless we let Kalen DeBoer know we screwed up and ask that he take the next flight from Seattle out to Grand Forks to help out on Saturday. But he’s too busy being featured on ESPN College GameDay this weekend to do that probably. 
 

ok, ok, ok enough living in the past.

 

i am worried about this game being it’s a big game. UND leadership under Bubba historically been poor in these games. Need to change the trend eventually … hopefully it’s this Saturday 

[Tangolou]

37 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Don’t think will help unless we let Kalen DeBoer know we screwed up and ask that he take the next flight from Seattle out to Grand Forks to help out on Saturday. But he’s too busy being featured on ESPN College GameDay this weekend to do that probably. 
 

ok, ok, ok enough living in the past.

 

i am worried about this game being it’s a big game. UND leadership under Bubba historically been poor in these games. Need to change the trend eventually … hopefully it’s this Saturday 

When we played SDSU, Nick Saban could have been our coach and the result would have been the same. We need NDSU to cough up the ball a couple times to have a chance. Otherwise they will man handle us up front and Miller will run for 150. It is always about the line of scrimmage.

[Sioux94]

Bubba was a good defensive coach. You would think all this week he would be helping Joel and working together with him to work on defensive schemes to stop the SU ground game. I'd love to see the same type of defensive performance we saw against MSU in 2019 and against NDSU in 2021. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, Tangolou said:

When we played SDSU, Nick Saban could have been our coach and the result would have been the same.

I don’t agree. Lots of angles to this incredibly hypothetical scenario, but I won’t derail this thread by going into all of it (again).

[jdub27]

2 hours ago, Sioux94 said:

Bubba was a good defensive coach. You would think all this week he would be helping Joel and working together with him to work on defensive schemes to stop the SU ground game. I'd love to see the same type of defensive performance we saw against MSU in 2019 and against NDSU in 2021. 

They know what they need to do. Just need to execute. Stay in the moment, do you job.

[The Sicatoka]

3 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

They know what they need to do. Just need to execute. Stay in the moment, do you job.

What have I long said about NDSU: They do nothing exceptional, but what they do, they do exceptionally well. 

UND needs to take the step from good to exceptional execution. 

[The Sicatoka]

I deleted a post. We don't need other boards' vulgarity-filled non-sense here. 

(We have too much of our own.) 

[Midwestern Hawk]

4 hours ago, Tangolou said:

When we played SDSU, Nick Saban could have been our coach and the result would have been the same. We need NDSU to cough up the ball a couple times to have a chance. Otherwise they will man handle us up front and Miller will run for 150. It is always about the line of scrimmage.

I hope this comment was a massive exaggeration.  You are basically stating that coaching doesn't matter and that Bubba is no different than Saban.

[F'n Hawks]

40 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

I hope this comment was a massive exaggeration.  You are basically stating that coaching doesn't matter and that Bubba is no different than Saban.

Coaching matters, but so do the players you recruit. If the players you recruit aren’t good enough then it doesn’t matter how good the coach is. 

[jdub27]

43 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

I hope this comment was a massive exaggeration.  You are basically stating that coaching doesn't matter and that Bubba is no different than Saban.

Strategy obviously matters, but so does execution on the players part. Plenty of blame (and credit to go around)
Bad snaps in Boise threw off the whole offense. That wasn't an issue at all previously this year and hasn't been since.
Untimely turnovers turned the game quickly. Need to play clean.

Big game tomorrow, players and coaches need to stay in the moment and execute to their potential.

[Tangolou]

44 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

I hope this comment was a massive exaggeration.  You are basically stating that coaching doesn't matter and that Bubba is no different than Saban.

Wow, that's what you got out of that? To clarify, its my opinion that we have failed to win "Big Games" because our players aren't as good as the top competition in this division. I believe we need a better roster, which of course is on the coaches. My point was that we didn't get crushed by SDSU because we didn't line up correctly or called the wrong plays. It was because they destroyed us at the line of scrimmage with bigger, stronger and faster players. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

24 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:

Coaching matters, but so do the players you recruit. If the players you recruit aren’t good enough then it doesn’t matter how good the coach is. 

What makes a player/ recruit good? What makes a player / recruit bad? A lot goes in to this, including how the players develop after you get their commitment. Guys like Nick Saban recruit damn good players but they also develop the hell out of them. 
 

UND could recruit AND develop their players better, and that falls on coaching. Talk about execution, what do you think gets the good teams to consistently execute and the bad teams to not?
 

ok, ok, I digress. 

[Midwestern Hawk]

19 minutes ago, Tangolou said:

Wow, that's what you got out of that? To clarify, its my opinion that we have failed to win "Big Games" because our players aren't as good as the top competition in this division. I believe we need a better roster, which of course is on the coaches. My point was that we didn't get crushed by SDSU because we didn't line up correctly or called the wrong plays. It was because they destroyed us at the line of scrimmage with bigger, stronger and faster players. 

I don't disagree entirely, but a coaches job is to make the sum of the parts greater than the individuals.  If Saban was the coach of the Hawks since June 1, the Hawks would have beaten SDSU, especially coming out of a bye week.  Within reason, coaching is far more important in football than the players...again within reason.

 

I suppose next you will tell me that USD beat NDSU because they now have better players then the BISON...

[Midwestern Hawk]

2 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

What makes a player/ recruit good? What makes a player / recruit bad? A lot goes in to this, including how the players develop after you get their commitment. Guys like Nick Saban recruit damn good players but they also develop the hell out of them. 
 

UND could recruit AND develop their players better, and that falls on coaching. Talk about execution, what do you think gets the good teams to consistently execute and the bad teams to not?
 

ok, ok, I digress. 

Huge BINGO.

[UND-FB-FAN]

21 minutes ago, Tangolou said:

My point was that we didn't get crushed by SDSU because we didn't line up correctly or called the wrong plays. It was because they destroyed us at the line of scrimmage with bigger, stronger and faster players. 

I don’t agree. South Dakota State is not Alabama or Georgia. How many NFL players you think SDSU has? You’re exaggerating SDSU’s ability a bit in order to justify UND’s road woes. Coaching is not just strategy in terms of play calling; it’s adjustments in tough moments and preparing the players (physically AND mentally) to execute at the highest level by conditioning them to be at their best when their best is required.  

[UND08]

There's a sense of urgency for both teams in this one:

1 - NDSU loses and they'll be on the road at some point in the playoffs (barring upsets)

2 - UND loses and not only is the entire fanbase crushed yet again, but they will have a tough road to even make the playoffs (my opinion).

Look...if we lose and go to 3-3, we'll have tough road games with UNI (who will likely be fighting for their playoff lives like we will be) and USD (who is much improved).  We flat out suck in Vermillion recently...and who's to say it'll go better at UNI.  Lose them both and you are out.  Lose 1 and you are on the bubble...and whichever game we win will be our only quality win.  That's not a good spot to be in.  Also, we get ISU(red) at home...they're also 3-2...their schedule is weaker...but they could also get to 7-8 wins, so beating us will be a must for them.

Bottom line...we need to win this game...badly!  I'm not confident that we will...at all...but I sure as hell hope I'm wrong!

[F'n Hawks]

10 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

What makes a player/ recruit good? What makes a player / recruit bad? A lot goes in to this, including how the players develop after you get their commitment. Guys like Nick Saban recruit damn good players but they also develop the hell out of them. 
 

UND could recruit AND develop their players better, and that falls on coaching. Talk about execution, what do you think gets the good teams to consistently execute and the bad teams to not?
 

ok, ok, I digress. 

Never said that this isn’t on coaching, it obviously is. The one I quoted was more specific to the SDSU game, not on the big picture. I think everyone on here would agree that they could do a better job developing players once they get here. I think it’s fair to say that two things can be true: 

1. SDSU had better players overall  at every position group and we got manhandled.

2. Coaching was lackluster and they didn’t seem prepared.