FCS Playoffs

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

9 hours ago, Sioux95 said:

It's never good to be the person behind a rule, or policy change that prevents screwing over other people. Good job NDSU AD. HE, AS THE MISSOURI VALLEY REP, HAD MORE ABILITY THAN ANYONE TO KEEP UND FROM GETTING SCREWED OVER. I ASSUME HE WAS IN FACT THE LEADING DRIVER OF UND GETTING THE SHAFT.

SU AD Larsen should of been so furious when this unprecedented reasoning kind of discussion started, creating a stop to such a bad decision.
UND should of called Matt out on how this went down. Maybe he tried? Some on committee have made public comments, let's hear something from Matt.
Matt keeping his mouth shut, STINKS.

I'd call this a rivalry builder implosion. This stinks of the kind of NCAA poop that used to happen in the 50's & 60's (see pic 19 posts back).

If Matt sat in his chair and chuckled to himself as sucking on his pen (no cigar), then we need to get this cat out of the bag.
Imagine the potential hype created by this.
Revealing this would be a huge team motivator on October  14, 2023 at the Hawks' Nest. 

[The Sicatoka]

Give Bill Chaves credit:

- he had the biggest bid of the 2022 first round
- he metered his public words after the brackets came out so to not burn bridges ... publicly

Seeing those wise and professional action, I strongly suspect Bill Chaves has had some strong and pointed private conversations with the appropriate persons (e.g. MVFC commissioner, the MVFC committee representative, for starters). 

[UNDBIZ]

A change that needs to come from this, at minimum, is the conference commissioner (or appointee) reps the conference, not the AD of 1 school.

[Und246]

The Montana AD made a strong impression on the rest of the committee. The NDSU AD not so much. 

[The Sicatoka]

45 minutes ago, Und246 said:

The Montana AD made a strong impression on the rest of the committee. The NDSU AD not so much. 

The Montana AD brought Glacier Distilling Company's North Fork Rye Whiskey.
The NDSU AD brought some corn hooch cooked up in a still in the corner of the meat lab where they also render fats*. 

 

*At NDSU tailgates, that's the corked bottle with the Crayola label that says "top shelf".  

[GoHawks]

This whole first round deal benefited one team the most....NDSU! Just look at that bracket and tell me I'm wrong?

[nd1sufan]

2 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

 

Revealing this would be a huge team motivator on October  14, 2023 at the Hawks' Nest. 

If your team needs something like this to motivate them against a rival and the fact that they have been getting the s#*t kicked out of them by this rival since the switch to D1 isn’t enough to motivate them it says a lot about your staff and players.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

When these meeting are conducted behind closed doors, meeting members present need to show some transparency.

IF

And I say if, Larsen (a ND state employee) was instrumental (or even keeping quiet), then he helped eliminate a playoff game in this state.

[jdub27]

1 minute ago, nd1sufan said:

If your team needs something like this to motivate them against a rival and the fact that they have been getting the s#*t kicked out of them by this rival since the switch to D1 isn’t enough to motivate them it says a lot about your staff and players.

If you think something someone says on a message board has any bearing on what the staff and players actually think, it says a lot about your common sense and intelligence.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

7 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

If your team needs something like this to motivate them against a rival and the fact that they have been getting the s#*t kicked out of them by this rival since the switch to D1 isn’t enough to motivate them it says a lot about your staff and players.

Didn't say needs, but if this Larsen stuff has some merit, going to be some fall out.

[Dustin]

41 minutes ago, GoHawks said:

This whole first round deal benefited one team the most....NDSU! Just look at that bracket and tell me I'm wrong?

Totally agree.  I mentioned somewhere else that there's no way anybody else on the committee should have gone along with putting NDSU and SDSU on the opposite side of the bracket.

[Und246]

The committee can’t really defend themselves because they talked out of both sides of their mouth. I think they think it is better to be quiet. Maybe it will go away. 

[Kab]

Don’t want Montana to win and prove that they belonged in tourney

Don’t ever want bizon to win

hopefully they get knocked off before fresco and hope they get a road game before fresco

 

[UNDBIZ]

50 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

If your team needs something like this to motivate them against a rival and the fact that they have been getting the s#*t kicked out of them by this rival since the switch to D1 isn’t enough to motivate them it says a lot about your staff and players.

I wouldn't call 2021 a sh*t-kicking, but other than that... agreed.

[The Sicatoka]

19 minutes ago, Und246 said:

The committee can’t really defend themselves because they talked out of both sides of their mouth. I think they think it is better to be quiet. Maybe it will go away. 

When you find yourself in a hole and getting deeper, step one is ... drop the shovel.  

[AJS]

My question is, based on the excellent reporting done so far, is anyone else surprised that there apparently has been no actual push back on the committee members? Herder breaks everything down perfectly in his article. We're so close. Just need someone to go with the facts and ask for an explanation. Not the one we already were given, like a true, if you made this case for Weber, why was the opposite done for Montana?

It's just so frustrating that Larson is going to be able to skate without ever answering to how this happened. There's no other way to look at what happened and come to the conclusion. NDSU - Better situation, UND - Worse, Youngstown - Worse.   Not saying that Youngstown should have been in, but man, really appears he only went to bat for one school.

[The Sicatoka]

2 minutes ago, AJS said:

... if you made this case for Weber, why was the opposite done for Montana?

Because Big Sky. 

[AJS]

Kudos to Chaves for publicly saying something isn't right and Miller for doing the reporting on it.

[The Sicatoka]

2 minutes ago, AJS said:

Kudos to Chaves for publicly saying something isn't right and Miller for doing the reporting on it.

Sam Herder and Brett Hein (each with exposé articles linked in this thread) also deserve recognition. 

[The Sicatoka]

6 minutes ago, AJS said:

Kudos to Chaves ... 

He seems to have a lot coming onto his plate recently ... 

[UNDBIZ]

24 minutes ago, AJS said:

My question is, based on the excellent reporting done so far, is anyone else surprised that there apparently has been no actual push back on the committee members? Herder breaks everything down perfectly in his article. We're so close. Just need someone to go with the facts and ask for an explanation. Not the one we already were given, like a true, if you made this case for Weber, why was the opposite done for Montana?

It's just so frustrating that Larson is going to be able to skate without ever answering to how this happened. There's no other way to look at what happened and come to the conclusion. NDSU - Better situation, UND - Worse, Youngstown - Worse.   Not saying that Youngstown should have been in, but man, really appears he only went to bat for one school.

I don't think Youngstown was even in the list of first 4 out, were they? Larson was awful for the mvfc.

[Kab]

Would like to see Tom do an interview with Larsen

doubt Larsen has the balls to do it 

[jdub27]

49 minutes ago, AJS said:

My question is, based on the excellent reporting done so far, is anyone else surprised that there apparently has been no actual push back on the committee members? Herder breaks everything down perfectly in his article. We're so close. Just need someone to go with the facts and ask for an explanation. Not the one we already were given, like a true, if you made this case for Weber, why was the opposite done for Montana?

It's just so frustrating that Larson is going to be able to skate without ever answering to how this happened. There's no other way to look at what happened and come to the conclusion. NDSU - Better situation, UND - Worse, Youngstown - Worse.   Not saying that Youngstown should have been in, but man, really appears he only went to bat for one school.

Every time the Bucknell AD opens his mouth, he makes it worse. 

Would be interesting to see if Tom has requested an interview with Larsen.
The Montana AD has given his thoughts, so clearly they aren't barred from talking about what happened.

[nd1sufan]

3 hours ago, jdub27 said:

If you think something someone says on a message board has any bearing on what the staff and players actually think, it says a lot about your common sense and intelligence.

I didn’t say what is said on a message board would affect how players or staff approach a game. A poster implied it would and should be a great motivator for next years game. Just pointed out that if that would be a motivator that is a bad sign for a program.

[Und246]

An interview would yield nothing. Larson will have prepared answers written on a notepad to avoid really answering a question. A response from Larsen would be late at this point. He should have said something right away because of the blunder (they hoped would stay hidden). was so obvious. The fact that he didn’t say anything about what happened tells you everything. One of the biggest takeaways is the lack of integrity of the committee