2022-23 University of North Dakota Hockey Season

[MafiaMan]

48 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Allow me a wildly optimistic take:

The staff knows they've been fading late in seasons recently so they are intentionally not hammering down early in the season to leave more in the tank come March.

There have been some pretty early-season letdowns that have cost this season come tournament selection time, cough, cough, Canisius College being one from a couple of seasons ago.  Berry’s teams are often unexpectedly caught with their pants down - and that needs to get fixed.  I don’t care if it’s October or March, every opponent UND plays brings it’s A game.  It’s time UND responded with better than D effort.

[AJS]

Just now, MafiaMan said:

There have been some pretty early-season letdowns that have cost this season come tournament selection time, cough, cough, Canisius College being one from a couple of seasons ago.  Berry’s teams are 

either strong in the regular season and lose in the 1st round of the NCAA's OR miss the tournament all together? 

[MafiaMan]

8 minutes ago, AJS said:

either strong in the regular season and lose in the 1st round of the NCAA's OR miss the tournament all together? 

If memory serves me right, the Penn State loss also kept them out of the NCAA’s.  And last years one-and-done 1 goal effort against Notre Dame was less than inspiring.  

[skateshattrick]

3 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

If memory serves me right, the Penn State loss also kept them out of the NCAA’s.  And last years one-and-done 1 goal effort against Notre Dame was less than inspiring.  

Your memory doesn't serve you right because they lost to Penn State last year in Nashville and still made the NCAA tournament. 

[siouxkid12]

13 hours ago, jk said:

Some things look like excuses, but they're just facts.  They finished PWR 1 in back to back years, but in the first of those years the postseason was cancelled, and in the second they got screwed because their lower ranked opponent got a bye while UND played a night game the day before.  No guarantees, but in normal circumstances, they probably get more than one tourney win.

The recruiting pipeline has some very nice players in it.  If we assume every team adds six freshmen every year (might not be quite right in these post pandemic times), then there are something like 360 commitments every year.  Do we really need a frowny face emoji after the 354 that commit elsewhere? 

I'm gonna guess they didn't fade at the end of either of the PWR 1 years, as it would seem to be almost impossible to have accomplished that with a fade, and I know they didn't last year, as it was the big second half run that won the unexpected third title.  Now if you mean from 2017-2019, you may be right, but that would seem to indicate they fixed that issue.

I will grant you that this year has sucked so far.  I hope they can turn it around.

The 20-21 season the were #2 in the final PWR rankings. You also need to stop with that damn excuse of them losing because the other team got a bye. 

[siouxkid12]

10 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

If memory serves me right, the Penn State loss also kept them out of the NCAA’s.  And last years one-and-done 1 goal effort against Notre Dame was less than inspiring.  

It was the sweep from Canisius in 18-19 that kept us out of the NCAA

[ChetSteadman]

11 hours ago, Goon said:

That's absolutely horrible. We suck. 

Hang the banners!

[ChetSteadman]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

Allow me a wildly optimistic take:

The staff knows they've been fading late in seasons recently so they are intentionally not hammering down early in the season to leave more in the tank come March.

It'd be a dangerous balance with little margin for error but large potential payoff. 

Might not want to fall too far below .500.

[Oxbow6]

Here's a "fact".......this team is dead last in the country save %. When your rate of fishing the puck out of your own net is greater than you putting it in the other net it is not complicated as far as how the outcome will turn out.

[jk]

16 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Here's a "fact".......this team is dead last in the country save %. When your rate of fishing the puck out of your own net is greater than you putting it in the other net it is not complicated as far as how the outcome will turn out.

That sounds dangerously close to analytics, but I agree 100%.  

[MafiaMan]

49 minutes ago, skateshattrick said:

Your memory doesn't serve you right because they lost to Penn State last year in Nashville and still made the NCAA tournament. 

Well I’m 52 years old, so there’s that…I’ll backtrack thru the schedule as I obviously have the opponent and year wrong.  

[jk]

40 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

The 20-21 season the were #2 in the final PWR rankings. You also need to stop with that damn excuse of them losing because the other team got a bye. 

It's well established that rest is one of the most significant determinants of results.  You're welcome to ignore it, just as I'm able to acknowledge it, over and over if it's relevant.

Sorry I missed on the PWR, thanks for noting it. 

[skateshattrick]

5 minutes ago, jk said:

It's well established that rest is one of the most significant determinants of results.  You're welcome to ignore it, just as I'm able to acknowledge it, over and over if it's relevant.

Sorry I missed on the PWR, thanks for noting it. 

Agree. I was at that game, and UND also deserved a better fate. When Sanderson hit both posts and it bounced straight out, and Pinto's shot ended up on top of the net and not in, you knew it was not UND's night even though UND carried play most of the game, particularly the 4 OTs. 

[The Sicatoka]

9 minutes ago, skateshattrick said:

Agree. I was at that game, and UND also deserved a better fate. When Sanderson hit both posts and it bounced straight out, and Pinto's shot ended up on top of the net and not in, you knew it was not UND's night even though UND carried play most of the game, particularly the 4 OTs. 

You forgot Hain's reverberating cross bar shot. 

[MafiaMan]

2017-2018:  #3 UND at home against Union College:  4-1 loss, 2-2 tie.

I was also forgetting last season’s home sweep at the hands of Cornell. 

The Penn State loss was bad but equally concerning was that Cornell series.  I was incorrect though, UND did make the tournament last year, despite those 3 non-conference losses.

 

[Kevin G]

On 12/5/2022 at 10:13 AM, The Sicatoka said:

For two guys with power forward builds, I've never seen two guys drive to the net less and with less passion than Caulfield and Kunz. 

One of my wishes for the season was to see those two assert themselves as power forwards, playing with some controlled fury. That hasn't happened. Maybe that's just not their game, despite their size. 

[Sodbuster]

3 hours ago, Kevin G said:

One of my wishes for the season was to see those two assert themselves as power forwards, playing with some controlled fury. That hasn't happened. Maybe that's just not their game, despite their size. 

Well, it damn well should be.

[AJS]

Just listened to the UND Hockey podcast. I know some of the advanced stats aren't for everyone but listening to the projected goal stat and how it accurately predicts 6 of the 8 NCHC records to within a game, I'm starting to buy into it. Count me into the group that believes we'll see a turnaround here this season.

[Oxbow6]

2 minutes ago, AJS said:

Just listened to the UND Hockey podcast. I know some of the advanced stats aren't for everyone but listening to the projected goal stat and how it accurately predicts 6 of the 8 NCHC records to within a game, I'm starting to buy into it. Count me into the group that believes we'll see a turnaround here this season.

Another one that has turned to the dark side..... 

The xG metric had UND beating/winning vs Arizona St and DU (can't remember which night). The eyeball test, if anyone was at or watched, in both of those incidences with the ASU games or DU series revealed the right/better team won. 

Will we see a turnaround....hopefully. A sweep this weekend would help. If this team comes out of WMU 6-10-3 heading into the break I think the reality of what this team's record actually is needs to be recognized and not what it could have been based on xG and Pixie dust.

[FightingSU]

58 minutes ago, AJS said:

Just listened to the UND Hockey podcast. I know some of the advanced stats aren't for everyone but listening to the projected goal stat and how it accurately predicts 6 of the 8 NCHC records to within a game, I'm starting to buy into it. Count me into the group that believes we'll see a turnaround here this season.

What podcast is this? Sioux Lite?

[siouxforce19]

21 minutes ago, FightingSU said:

What podcast is this? Sioux Lite?

Schlossman’s podcast. Simply titled The UND Hockey Podcast. 

[stoneySIOUX]

1 hour ago, Oxbow6 said:

Another one that has turned to the dark side..... 

The xG metric had UND beating/winning vs Arizona St and DU (can't remember which night). The eyeball test, if anyone was at or watched, in both of those incidences with the ASU games or DU series revealed the right/better team won. 

Will we see a turnaround....hopefully. A sweep this weekend would help. If this team comes out of WMU 6-10-3 heading into the break I think the reality of what this team's record actually is needs to be recognized and not what it could have been based on xG and Pixie dust.

I'm not sure why you'd be so against this, but no, it did not...

Here's the stunning part for UND — based on xG, the computer model thinks the Fighting Hawks should be 13-4 right now. It projected both games against Minnesota, one against Arizona State and one against Denver as the losses. In the other 13 games, the statistic shows UND has generated more quality chances than its opponents.

[scpa0305]

1 hour ago, AJS said:

Just listened to the UND Hockey podcast. I know some of the advanced stats aren't for everyone but listening to the projected goal stat and how it accurately predicts 6 of the 8 NCHC records to within a game, I'm starting to buy into it. Count me into the group that believes we'll see a turnaround here this season.

I’ve always said the goals other teams are scoring are point blank opp’s. The issue is with team D breakdowns. Especially at really bad times…that’s between the ears. Not sure that can be fixed, I hope so. Winning is contagious…so is losing. We shall see.

[Oxbow6]

11 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

I'm not sure why you'd be so against this, but no, it did not...

Here's the stunning part for UND — based on xG, the computer model thinks the Fighting Hawks should be 13-4 right now. It projected both games against Minnesota, one against Arizona State and one against Denver as the losses. In the other 13 games, the statistic shows UND has generated more quality chances than its opponents.

Misread the ASU game. Premise to remains the same......DU grossly outplayed UND both nights. Against this?? What realistic value does it bring is the bigger question. For anyone to think this team is anywhere close to a 13-4 team as the xG metric suggest is ridiculous. 

 

Least Schloss is loyal to carrying the water for this program.  I'd be more interested in Schloss asking the question to BB about Brianna and how did she acquire that TM? But I digress......

[stoneySIOUX]

1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said:

Misread the ASU game. Premise to remains the same......DU grossly outplayed UND both nights. Against this?? What realistic value does it bring is the bigger question. For anyone to think this team is anywhere close to a 13-4 team as the xG metric suggest is ridiculous. 

Arguing statistics that are not at all biased is silly, but even so, that's one of the 17 games! So, even by your measure, if the xG was only wrong once, it was correct 90+% of the time.