2020 non UND FCS thread

[geaux_sioux]

3 hours ago, Bison06 said:

I agree, the path isn’t clear. But if the ambition is there from leadership and alumni, a path will present itself. 

The MAC and the Big 10 are the only two footprints that make sense. Big 10 will never happen obviously for a million reasons. MAC has 16 teams already so that ain’t happening either. 

[Bison06]

54 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

The MAC and the Big 10 are the only two footprints that make sense. Big 10 will never happen obviously for a million reasons. MAC has 16 teams already so that ain’t happening either. 

The MAC has 16 teams in January 2021. Things can change.

The AAC has been a revolving door and is adding 6 teams in two years. Not saying that the footprint is a fit, just noting the ever changing landscape of the conference.

Why is this so controversial to some here? Conference affiliations change constantly especially at the G5 level. 
 

And Cincinnati, Houston and UCF are joining the Big 12.

[Kab]

4 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

The MAC has 16 teams in January 2021. Things can change.

The AAC has been a revolving door and is adding 6 teams in two years. Not saying that the footprint is a fit, just noting the ever changing landscape of the conference.

Why is this so controversial to some here? Conference affiliations change constantly especially at the G5 level. 

Not controversial, more reality

you want all sports, correct?

[Bison06]

4 minutes ago, Kab said:

Not controversial, more reality

you want all sports, correct?

What conference was UND in 20 years ago? How many conferences has UND been affiliated with in the last 20 years. Would you have predicted that path in the year 2000?

 

[SWSiouxMN]

Isn't there a big NCAA meeting next week that is going to discuss FBS/FCS/D2/D3?

[Shawn-O]

58 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

Isn't there a big NCAA meeting next week that is going to discuss FBS/FCS/D2/D3?

The annual convention is this coming week.  

[SIOUXFAN97]

7 hours ago, Bison06 said:

I agree, the path isn’t clear. But if the ambition is there from leadership and alumni, a path will present itself. 

only one "if"...better than izzo's 5 if's

[SiouxFan100]

An inferiority complex in North Dakota 

need visionaries 

 hard to distinguish between visionaries and realists 

I don’t like to criticize visionaries or realists 

as I have said - I am a gray type of guy. - not black and white

and again I wouldn’t underestimate the visionaries at ndsu

[SIOUXFAN97]

24 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said:

An inferiority complex in North Dakota 

need visionaries 

 hard to distinguish between visionaries and realists 

I don’t like to criticize visionaries or realists 

as I have said - I am a gray type of guy. - not black and white

and again I wouldn’t underestimate the visionaries at ndsu

there is literally nothing visionary about ndac....

they should hang their hat on wrasslin'

there are 4  major sports (baseball, football, basketball, and hockey)  in american and ndac has no shot at any given year of winning a title at the highest level of those....UND-1

[Bison06]

2 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

there is literally nothing visionary about ndac....

they should hang their hat on wrasslin'

there are 4  major sports (baseball, football, basketball, and hockey)  in american and ndac has no shot at any given year of winning a title at the highest level of those....UND-1

There are 3 major sports to everyone outside of Grand Forks.

[SIOUXFAN97]

9 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

There are 3 major sports to everyone outside of Grand Forks.

4 major sports in america....maths aint to good at the ndac.

[SIOUXFAN97]

53 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said:

An inferiority complex in North Dakota 

need visionaries 

 hard to distinguish between visionaries and realists 

I don’t like to criticize visionaries or realists 

as I have said - I am a gray type of guy. - not black and white

and again I wouldn’t underestimate the visionaries at ndsu

the only athletic visionary in the last 100 years in North or South Dakota is Red Jarrett and it aint even close

[SiouxFan100]

Points respectively taken

havent changes my opinion 

[SIOUXFAN97]

so much growth and chances to win titles in men's lacrosse out west here...maybe fenton adds it?

[SIOUXFAN97]

since 2004 when ndac and sdac moved up these schools have left FCS for FBS...other than WKU all the other schools are either very very south or very very eastern shore....................

Florida International

Western Kentucky

Texas-San Antonio

South Alabama

Texas State

Massachusetts

Georgia State

Georgia Southern

Old Dominion

Appalachian State

Charlotte

Coastal Carolina

Liberty

James Madison

Sam Houston State

Jacksonville State

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

and this is the conference the izzo thinks might expand to the dakotahs...north dakota doesnt' even show up on this pic.....much less the eastern part of north dakota...  Fargo is about ..............................................................................................................................................................*HERE

 

[SIOUXFAN97]

and the other one that izzo thinks isn't good enough for the bizons.

fargo is         *HERE

         

                                                                                          

[ND-fan]

I stated it before only logical fit for FBS conference would be if Montana, Montana State, North Dakota State, Und, SDSU, USD, Northern Iowa, Idaho state, Eastern Washington, Idaho, and utah and Northern Colorado formed a conference. Even with the names listed above i don't know how many would want to move up but this would have foot print that would make sense it would limit distant travel and if enough would join you could have east/west spliit in the conference to also limit travel and costs . If it was marketed right getting right media company that wanted to provide sports tv to the states in this conference there could be some television money. Also most national markets wouldn't want to regionalize a market to small market states that this conference would be in so if was done right conference and tv provider would need to be almost partners in developing and marketing this conference to this region of the country. The big time p5 schools are basically doing this now national level and i don't see their numbers increasing because adding more schools just dilutes amount of money being shared when adding more schools. If anything we could see a drop in p5 schools because they don't improve the revenue shared to pot because of tv viewership and other media revenue they can generate for other p5 schools. This sounds like were getting away from basic of college sports but this has been happening in last 20 years and unless their is political change i just see this continuing down this path. We have done this on national scale and next step is for local media company working with smaller college conferences selling this on regional basis as subscription to watch their favorite teams. But until this happens i don't see where NDSU or most of FCS schools and small mid major schools will be moving even to G5 conference because most of these conferences are near what they want for membership. These changes could happen quite quickly or may never happen depending how much change smaller division I schools are willing to accept and if there are smaller local media companies willing to grow and put media business  company together sell conference on regional basis. I think this may happen but until somebody does it and makes it successful it won't become the thing to do.

[Bison06]

5 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

4 major sports in america....maths aint to good at the ndac.

English must not be too good at UND. 

[nodak651]

4 hours ago, Bison06 said:

English must not be too good at UND. 

You spelled two wrong dumbass!

[bison73]

11 hours ago, ND-fan said:

I stated it before only logical fit for FBS conference would be if Montana, Montana State, North Dakota State, Und, SDSU, USD, Northern Iowa, Idaho state, Eastern Washington, Idaho, and utah and Northern Colorado formed a conference. Even with the names listed above i don't know how many would want to move up but this would have foot print that would make sense it would limit distant travel and if enough would join you could have east/west spliit in the conference to also limit travel and costs . If it was marketed right getting right media company that wanted to provide sports tv to the states in this conference there could be some television money. Also most national markets wouldn't want to regionalize a market to small market states that this conference would be in so if was done right conference and tv provider would need to be almost partners in developing and marketing this conference to this region of the country. The big time p5 schools are basically doing this now national level and i don't see their numbers increasing because adding more schools just dilutes amount of money being shared when adding more schools. If anything we could see a drop in p5 schools because they don't improve the revenue shared to pot because of tv viewership and other media revenue they can generate for other p5 schools. This sounds like were getting away from basic of college sports but this has been happening in last 20 years and unless their is political change i just see this continuing down this path. We have done this on national scale and next step is for local media company working with smaller college conferences selling this on regional basis as subscription to watch their favorite teams. But until this happens i don't see where NDSU or most of FCS schools and small mid major schools will be moving even to G5 conference because most of these conferences are near what they want for membership. These changes could happen quite quickly or may never happen depending how much change smaller division I schools are willing to accept and if there are smaller local media companies willing to grow and put media business  company together sell conference on regional basis. I think this may happen but until somebody does it and makes it successful it won't become the thing to do.

Most importantly you would need to get approval from the NCAA as they dont allow whole conferences to move up or teams to create a conference to move up.

[Kab]

37 minutes ago, bison73 said:

Most importantly you would need to get approval from the NCAA as they dont allow whole conferences to move up or teams to create a conference to move up.

You still didn’t answer if you want all sports to move to 1 conference 

also when you talk about media market,FM area is about 5 to 6% of Mpls. Metro population so it’s a small market

 

[nodak651]

2 hours ago, bison73 said:

Most importantly you would need to get approval from the NCAA as they dont allow whole conferences to move up or teams to create a conference to move up.

I there is buy in from enough of these schools, I think they have an antitrust argument and the ncaa would grant a waiver.  There isn't an fbs conference in the region and these schools generally fit the profile of the g5 schools.  NCAA can't prevent schools from going FBS, effectively, based on geography.

[Sioux>Bison]

2 hours ago, Kab said:

You still didn’t answer if you want all sports to move to 1 conference 

also when you talk about media market,FM area is about 5 to 6% of Mpls. Metro population so it’s a small market

 

NDSU’s media market must be bigger than just Fargo if their media contract is 3 million +. That’s bigger than the CUSA and Sunbelt payouts (dwarfs them) and is very similar to MAC and MWC payouts. There is no doubt they could make it as a G5 team but no conference wants them because of their geography.
 

Anyone that thinks they can beat the P5 teams week after week are delusional. G5 level talent isn’t gonna cut it against the P5 and they are not going to win recruiting battles against the P5.

[Kab]

How many years is that $3 million for?