2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[MafiaMan]

5 hours ago, Siouxphan27 said:

The side show is CNN having Sean Penn interviewed for his expert advice on fighting global viral pandemics.  

That’s because Joy Behar wasn’t available.  You know Joy, right?  The woman who feels Joe Biden’s wife would make a great Surgeon General.

(it was actually Whoopi who said that, not Joy)

Edited March 22, 2020 by MafiaMan
Whoops, literally.

[Oxbow6]

11 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

That’s because Joy Behar wasn’t available.  You know Joy, right?  The woman who feels Joe Biden’s wife would make a great Surgeon General.

It was Whoopi not that it matters. They both parrot each other like a couple of lemmings.

[geaux_sioux]

2 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

Please try to at least restrict the politics to Covid 19 related topics. 

- Moderators

 

[Kermit's Luck]

23 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/03/16/no-white-house-didnt-dissolve-its-pandemic-response-office/%3foutputType=amp
 

Paywall. Snopes says this though: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

Summary: Trump fired or pushed them out, and did not replace them.

[Oxbow6]

Experts predicting a 12-24% economic contraction in the 2nd quarter. Just a 12% drop would be biggest quarter contraction on record. 

Unemployment could hit 10% next month (16.5M workers).

Fauci overheard asking Mnuchin "Will it be worse in the third quarter"?

[DB Cooper]

Everyone and anyone can be an expert these days with the ease of shouting your opinion via social media..crazy how people will listen and trust others who have a significant amount of "followers". let's just listen to the medical professionals and sit back..I myself will try to contribute $$ to my local community, as that is one of the few ways I could help. I get sick of the media more and more as each day goes on, but i do understand that we should have the right to hear any information(that's their job). And for the record, I am young (under 25) and disagree with most of my generation on things, not that it matters to anything I said in my post.

[MafiaMan]

20 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

It was Whoopi not that it matters. They both parrot each other like a couple of lemmings.

I can’t tell those two apart...the shrillness is their voices is too similar.

[UND1983]

31 minutes ago, DB Cooper said:

Everyone and anyone can be an expert these days with the ease of shouting your opinion via social media..crazy how people will listen and trust others who have a significant amount of "followers". let's just listen to the medical professionals and sit back..I myself will try to contribute $$ to my local community, as that is one of the few ways I could help. I get sick of the media more and more as each day goes on, but i do understand that we should have the right to hear any information(that's their job). And for the record, I am young (under 25) and disagree with most of my generation on things, not that it matters to anything I said in my post.

I would say to question the medical professionals as well.  Not all are experts on Covid and it's obvious by their comments that some lean one way or the other politically.  

[nodak651]

48 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said:

Paywall. Snopes says this though: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-fire-pandemic-team/

Summary: Trump fired or pushed them out, and did not replace them.

 

"President Trump gets his share of criticism — some warranted, much not. But recently the president’s critics have chosen curious ground to question his response
to the coronavirus outbreak since it began spreading from Wuhan, China, in December.

It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, “dissolved the office” at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness. Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious."

"It is true that the Trump administration has seen fit to shrink the NSC staff. But the bloat that occurred under the previous administration clearly needed a correction.  Defense secretary Robert Gates, congressional oversight committees and members of the Obama administration itself all agreed the NSC was too large and too operationally focused (a departure from its traditional role coordinating executive branch activity). As The Post reported in 2015, from the Clinton administration to the Obama administration’s second term, the NSC’s staff “had quadrupled in size, to nearly 400 people.” That is why Trump began streamlining the NSC staff in 2017."

"One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled."

"The NSC is really the only place in government where there is a staff that ensures the commander in chief gets all the options he needs to make a decision, and then makes sure that decision is actually implemented. I worry that further reductions at the NSC could impair its capabilities, but the current staffing level is fully up to the job."

"You might ask: Why does all this matter? Won’t it just be a historical footnote?
It matters because when people play politics in the middle of a crisis, we are all less safe.
We are less safe because public servants are distracted when they are dragged into politics.
We’re less safe because the American people have been recklessly scared into doubting the competence of their government to help keep them safe, secure and healthy."

[iramurphy]

59 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said:

I wouldn't have authorized the disbanding (or whatever we're calling it) of the pandemic response team like Trump did.

I don't have any names (obviously), but I do have a healthy respect for science and scientists so I bet I could have figured something out. OR I would have allowed some experts in the field to provide some recommendations for qualified individuals, and I would have used that guidance to make an informed decision. Of course, I'll never come within a dogleg par-5 of making these decisions so does it really matter?

I believe the rest of the story is that that department was combined with 2 others in a cost cutting efficiency move to improve collaboration and efficiency.  Some said it accomplished that. So the Pandemic and Bioterrism group is still around. I’m not defending Trump no condemning him. There are scientists and medical experts advising this administration and have been. The other misinformation passed on by some is the claim that the US refused test kits. The WHO didn’t offer. 
I’m not sure I understand the need for some to assign blame in the middle of a crisis. I’ve seen these people while preparing to go into combat as we learned of deficiencies and lack of supplies and equipment. I’ve seen them as an emergency room physician dealing with mass casualties. Those folks become part of the problem rather than part of the solution. Sometimes you want them to understand they need to get the hell out of the way and let others do their job as best we can. There will be time later to point fingers and assign blame. There will be plenty of blame to go around. When the time comes we can reflect on what we did to help or we can talk to other like minded folks about how we whined and criticized every step of the way. Which group do we want to associate with? Stay healthy. 

[MafiaMan]

13 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

I would say to question the medical professionals as well.  Not all are experts on Covid and it's obvious by their comments that some lean one way or the other politically.  

Like this “top” NY surgeon...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8139779/Top-New-York-surgeon-warns-coronavirus-infections-peak-22-32-days.html
 

...who quotes none other than Lenin at the end of his speech.  

[Siouxphan27]

7 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

 

"President Trump gets his share of criticism — some warranted, much not. But recently the president’s critics have chosen curious ground to question his response
to the coronavirus outbreak since it began spreading from Wuhan, China, in December.

It has been alleged by multiple officials of the Obama administration, including in The Post, that the president and his then-national security adviser, John Bolton, “dissolved the office” at the White House in charge of pandemic preparedness. Because I led the very directorate assigned that mission, the counterproliferation and biodefense office, for a year and then handed it off to another official who still holds the post, I know the charge is specious."

"It is true that the Trump administration has seen fit to shrink the NSC staff. But the bloat that occurred under the previous administration clearly needed a correction.  Defense secretary Robert Gates, congressional oversight committees and members of the Obama administration itself all agreed the NSC was too large and too operationally focused (a departure from its traditional role coordinating executive branch activity). As The Post reported in 2015, from the Clinton administration to the Obama administration’s second term, the NSC’s staff “had quadrupled in size, to nearly 400 people.” That is why Trump began streamlining the NSC staff in 2017."

"One such move at the NSC was to create the counterproliferation and biodefense directorate, which was the result of consolidating three directorates into one, given the obvious overlap between arms control and nonproliferation, weapons of mass destruction terrorism, and global health and biodefense. It is this reorganization that critics have misconstrued or intentionally misrepresented. If anything, the combined directorate was stronger because related expertise could be commingled."

"The NSC is really the only place in government where there is a staff that ensures the commander in chief gets all the options he needs to make a decision, and then makes sure that decision is actually implemented. I worry that further reductions at the NSC could impair its capabilities, but the current staffing level is fully up to the job."

"You might ask: Why does all this matter? Won’t it just be a historical footnote?
It matters because when people play politics in the middle of a crisis, we are all less safe.
We are less safe because public servants are distracted when they are dragged into politics.
We’re less safe because the American people have been recklessly scared into doubting the competence of their government to help keep them safe, secure and healthy."

There you go, spreading the truth again.  You realize that’s not allowed on CNN though, right?  

[yzerman19]

4 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

Like this “top” NY surgeon...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8139779/Top-New-York-surgeon-warns-coronavirus-infections-peak-22-32-days.html
 

...who quotes none other than Nikolai Lenin at the end of his speech.  

Is Nikolai Vladamir’s lesser known cousin?  LOL

[southpaw]

#fakenews

 

[MafiaMan]

3 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

Is Nikolai Vladamir’s lesser known cousin?  LOL

Good grief.  I need to put my damn phone down and get outside.

[yzerman19]

1 minute ago, MafiaMan said:

Good grief.  I need to put my damn phone down and get outside.

I’m outside enjoying the sun...of course I knew who you meant and was trying to have a little fun

[MafiaMan]

I can only imagine southpaw’s reaction to Trump declaring Martial Law back in early February...

[Siouxphan27]

8 minutes ago, southpaw said:

#fakenews

 

politidope.  lol    how appropriate, since this guy still believes Trump called the Corona virus a hoax.

Clearly Trump tried to downplay the virus in the hopes of quelling fear and panic, while at the same time taking measures to protect the U.S.  

His hopefulness turned out to be wrong.  He often looks like a buffoon in his press briefings with his exaggerations.  It's unfortunate the virus went deliberately unannounced by China, as thousands of people fled Wuhan China and spread the virus around the world.  I don't know why Trump didn't put a stop to that.  #orangemanbad.       

[Siouxphan27]

2 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

I can only imagine southpaw’s reaction to Trump declaring Martial Law back in early February...

Joe Biden would've immediately called a press conference announcing he is completely against Martian Law, saying "Look fat, look, no way should another planet write our laws, Jack!"

[SiouxVolley]

Italy is now ground zero for the west, especially Milan.

This article sounds like the US:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/21/world/europe/italy-coronavirus-center-lessons.html?action=click&module=moreIn&pgtype=Article&region=Footer

[SiouxVolley]

A voice of hope for we people of little faith:

https://www.elijahlist.com/words/display_word.html?ID=23412

[Frozen4sioux]

This thread is how we end up in the plot of THE POSTMAN.

[Oxbow6]

NY state up to 59.4% of total cases. 10K+ more than yesterday.

Maybe close off their state lines?

[SiouxBoys]

Just now, keikla said:

You'd have to close NY, NJ, and CT in together.  Closing just NY would be brutal to the healthcare facilities in all three states, since many live in one and work in another.

Deal.

[Oxbow6]

1 hour ago, keikla said:

You'd have to close NY, NJ, and CT in together.  Closing just NY would be brutal to the healthcare facilities in all three states, since many live in one and work in another.

Go ahead. Looks like that's where the most stringent containment measures obviously need to be.