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1 hour ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Nah, Dr. Fauci is likely tired of Trump's petulance and the circus atmosphere.  

Most grown adults roll their eyes at things that resemble a WWE event; which is what most of what Trump touches devolves into.  His recent press conferences =  ¼ information for the public, ½ Trump ceaselessly praising himself, ¼ bickering with the media.

Then again, I can understand why his hardened-supporters would find that attractive. It’s not exactly Hulk Hogan off the top rope, but it’s the next best thing I suppose.  

I agree, it's always a circus atmosphere.  And his narcissism makes everyone cringe.   Most grown adults also realize the media inaccurately reports on this administration constantly in an effort to make him look bad.  If a bunch of jackasses twisted my words in the midst of a worldwide pandemic, still writing columns 19 days after misrepresenting a statement I made by claiming I called it a hoax and wasn't doing a damn thing about it, I would tell them to pound sand, too.  So would you.   

Btw I've asked this about 4 times in this thread but no one ever answers it;   When you claim all presidents have to deal with this type of back and forth, can you point me to any links where the main stream media was calling out Obama before, during, or after over 12000 Americans died of the swine flu?   Did anyone/everyone falsely claim he called it a hoax?  

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43 minutes ago, Cratter said:

4,000 cities in the world with population over 100,000.

32 of those with level 4 biolabs.

Outbreak occurred in the city with one of those labs.

That lab was also doing research on coronaviruses.

Coronaviruses transmitted through bats.

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51 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

I have no beef with how Trump has managed this.  Is he a blowhard- yep.  But I’m not sure what actions I would’ve had him do earlier.  You didn’t want to jump to this, because you knew the fallout would be terrible.  
 

we don’t have people dying in the streets.  It’s being managed as best as I would hope at the time being.  

perfectly stated.

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35 minutes ago, keikla said:

I have a huge beef with him tweeting about azithromycin and hydroxychloroquine used together as if it's a cure all.  Saying if "Taken together, have a real chance to be one of the biggest game changers in the history of medicine."  Holy.  It's a study with six people in the treatment arm.  SIX.  That's reckless.  Leave the medicine to the professionals.

Congratulations when we can't even treat basic community acquired pneumonia with anything less than zosyn cause the resistance to azithromycin is about to skyrocket.  And from what I've heard from most of my friends who work in retail is that the massive hoards of scripts they are filling for azith and hydroxychloroquine are predominantly for providers and their families.

How long until we see the first robbery for this instead of opioids cause people think the "cure" is being withheld from them?

You are correct in that as of right now we have no studies to support use of hydroxyxhloroquine with or without Azithromycin. We have some isolated, unsubstantiated reports. No one should be prescribing for friends or health care workers anymore than people should hoard TP or PPE. It should be saved for hospitalized patients who have either tested positive or are highly suspicious for COVID-19. I will say exactly what I said before going into combat. This is what we signed up for. Let’s do our job, no complaining, watch out for one another and have each other’s backs. The new standard for community acquired pneumonia was just changed. It’s back to Amoxicillin 1gm tid  or Doxycycline 100mg bid x 5d or longer if Sx persist. They don’t need to be hospitalized unless they need oxygen or fluid resuscitation or have other complications. Zosyn isn’t on the list no should it have been with few exceptions. 
Remdesivir is part of multiple ongoing studies. China as of 2/6, And multiple studies in the US starting 2/21. Hoping for results early May. I would guess if early results are excellent they will ramp up production and start widespread use. Stay safe. Thanks for your work. 

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1 hour ago, keikla said:

 It's a study with six people in the treatment arm.  SIX.  That's reckless.  Leave the medicine to the professionals.

Um...I think the President of the United States has access to some of the top professionals and experts in the industry keeping him updated about other case studies than what's just repeated on the internet.

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10 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

I agree, it's always a circus atmosphere.  And his narcissism makes everyone cringe.   Most grown adults also realize the media inaccurately reports on this administration constantly in an effort to make him look bad.  If a bunch of jackasses twisted my words in the midst of a worldwide pandemic, still writing columns 19 days after misrepresenting a statement I made by claiming I called it a hoax and wasn't doing a damn thing about it, I would tell them to pound sand, too.  So would you.   

Btw I've asked this about 4 times in this thread but no one ever answers it;   When you claim all presidents have to deal with this type of back and forth, can you point me to any links where the main stream media was calling out Obama before, during, or after over 12000 Americans died of the swine flu?   Did anyone/everyone falsely claim he called it a hoax?  

Here is Obama speaking on the criticism that goes with the job of being president. Much of the first minute can be applied to every presidency, especially Trump. There is Trump the person and Trump the Symbol of the presidency. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HO-9AZjflY&feature=emb_title

Here are some articles demonstrating criticism and challenging Obama's handling of the swine flu, lack of vaccines, improper response, and growing negative media coverage. These are hard to find since it was almost a decade ago. The closest thing I could find to Obama calling swine flu a hoax was he first used the argument that the traditional flu is much more deadly as a reason for the public not to be concerned and ignore the issue. A few months later he then declared a national emergency. Sounds similar to todays news. 

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/deconstructing-the-swine-flu-causes-for-concern-and-calm

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/us/politics/29shortage.html

https://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-administration-launches-deceptive-swine-flu-propaganda-blitz/15860

http://archive.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/44032667.html/

https://www.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2009/09/14/media-coverage-of-obama-grows-more-negative

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB125640028120405945

https://www.mediamatters.org/sean-hannity/misinformation-pandemic-conservative-media-use-h1n1-oppose-health-care-reform

The media has been unfair to Trump, especially in his times of success. The justification for extra criticism is he is held to a different standard since he is not a career politician. However, when given opportunities to prove himself as a strong leader he sometimes fails. Leaders need to be called out for it, it is part of their job to handle it. With out allowing for healthy skepticism of our government and the decisions made, it will make us resemble a socialist/communist country. 

FDR gave an iconic response that will be remembered for generations in relation to the public being afraid. The media gave Trump an easy question about the public being scared. And there are a lot of people who are afraid (evidence by there being no toilet paper in grand forks). All he had to do was give a typical BS response to inspire and give hope to our country and all he did was crap on the reporter. This too will be an iconic response that will be remember for generations.

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10 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Um...I think the President of the United States has access to some of the top professionals and experts in the industry keeping him updated about other case studies than what's just repeated on the internet.

Access? Yes.  Listens to and/or understands?  .....

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1 hour ago, MafiaMan said:

EVERY president?  The news media openly covered for a president stricken with polio (FDR) and made sure the average American voter didn’t see him as a “cripple.”  The same news media wouldn’t have DARED to cross JFK and go public with his out of control appetite for sex...hell, they were awestruck by “Camelot.”  The fawning of our media “watchdogs” over Obama was laughable at best.  But by all means though, please continue...

Paradoid?

Recrimination?

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13 minutes ago, dynato said:

FDR gave an iconic response that will be remembered for generations in relation to the public being afraid.

Yep, he did.  We have nothing to fear but fear itself.  Great speech.  Then he went out and rounded up Japanese Americans and put them into prison camps.   

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Just now, MafiaMan said:

Yep, he did.  We have nothing to fear but fear itself.  Great speech.  Then he went out and rounded up Japanese Americans and put them into prison camps.   

Yes...other than that Mrs. Lincoln how was the play?

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25 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Um...I think the President of the United States has access to some of the top professionals and experts in the industry keeping him updated about other case studies than what's just repeated on the internet.

Yes, this President is well known for utilizing top professionals in the industry and relying heavily on their advice. See his contradictions of medical professionals in the early stages of the pandemic response, or we can look at his selections to lead the EPA, Interior, Education, and my new favorite - Richard Grenell, our Director of National Intelligence with no background in intelligence whatsoever. Grenell is a staunch Trump supporter, which is literally the ONLY pre-requisite for a position of power in this administration. SMH.

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2 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said:

Yes, this President is well known for utilizing top professionals in the industry and relying heavily on their advice. See his contradictions of medical professionals throughout the pandemic response, or we can look at his selections to lead the EPA, Interior, Education, and my new favorite - Richard Grenell, our Director of National Intelligence with no background in intelligence whatsoever. Grenell is a staunch Trump supporter, which is literally the ONLY pre-requisite for a position of power in this administration. SMH.

Were he a Democrat, Richard Grenell would be a hero to the LGBTQ+ community.  As a Republican, however, well, you know...

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16 minutes ago, keikla said:

Access? Yes.  Listens to and/or understands?  .....

Well he does have Fauci to deal with.....

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1 minute ago, MafiaMan said:

Were he a Democrat, Richard Grenell would be a hero to the LGBTQ+ community.  As a Republican, however, well, you know...

I think it's cool that he's the first LGBTQ person to hold a Cabinet position. However, he's completely unqualified for the position. Under previous Democratic administrations, those appointments were taken seriously and weren't just given out to yes-men with no experience.

This does follow a pattern of you making declarative "what-if" statements and you forwarding the discussion based on your view of what might happen under a theoretical scenario of mostly bullcrap. Doesn't add much to the actual discussion, but then again - considering this dicscussion, what actually does add to it and why does anyone bother? 

Mad props to Keikla and a few others for actually providing rational and even-keeled discussion. Cheers.

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37 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

You are correct in that as of right now we have no studies to support use of hydroxyxhloroquine with or without Azithromycin. We have some isolated, unsubstantiated reports. No one should be prescribing for friends or health care workers anymore than people should hoard TP or PPE. It should be saved for hospitalized patients who have either tested positive or are highly suspicious for COVID-19. I will say exactly what I said before going into combat. This is what we signed up for. Let’s do our job, no complaining, watch out for one another and have each other’s backs. The new standard for community acquired pneumonia was just changed. It’s back to Amoxicillin 1gm tid  or Doxycycline 100mg bid x 5d or longer if Sx persist. They don’t need to be hospitalized unless they need oxygen or fluid resuscitation or have other complications. Zosyn isn’t on the list no should it have been with few exceptions. 
Remdesivir is part of multiple ongoing studies. China as of 2/6, And multiple studies in the US starting 2/21. Hoping for results early May. I would guess if early results are excellent they will ramp up production and start widespread use. Stay safe. Thanks for your work. 

Good to know about the outpatient CAP guidelines changing.  Obviously, I don't see that side.  We usually hit them with the azith/ceftriaxone wombo-combo.

We submitted the forms to Gilead to use remdesivir for compassionate use.  The patient requirements are a bit different for compassionate use vs the active trial.

 

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1 minute ago, Kermit's Luck said:

I think it's cool that he's the first LGBTQ person to hold a Cabinet position. However, he's completely unqualified for the position. Under previous Democratic administrations, those appointments were taken seriously and weren't just given out to yes-men with no experience.

This does follow a pattern of you making declarative "what-if" statements and you forwarding the discussion based on your view of what might happen under a theoretical scenario of mostly bullcrap. Doesn't add much to the actual discussion, but then again - considering this dicscussion, what actually does add to it and why does anyone bother? 

Mad props to Keikla and a few others for actually providing rational and even-keeled discussion. Cheers.

LOL. You come on here complaining about Richard Grenell and then accuse others of not adding anything to the discussion.

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1 hour ago, Siouxphan27 said:

I agree, it's always a circus atmosphere.  And his narcissism makes everyone cringe.   Most grown adults also realize the media inaccurately reports on this administration constantly in an effort to make him look bad.  If a bunch of jackasses twisted my words in the midst of a worldwide pandemic, still writing columns 19 days after misrepresenting a statement I made by claiming I called it a hoax and wasn't doing a damn thing about it, I would tell them to pound sand, too.  So would you.   

Btw I've asked this about 4 times in this thread but no one ever answers it;   When you claim all presidents have to deal with this type of back and forth, can you point me to any links where the main stream media was calling out Obama before, during, or after over 12000 Americans died of the swine flu?   Did anyone/everyone falsely claim he called it a hoax?  

 

26 minutes ago, dynato said:

Here is Obama speaking on the criticism that goes with the job of being president. Much of the first minute can be applied to every presidency, especially Trump. There is Trump the person and Trump the Symbol of the presidency. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HO-9AZjflY&feature=emb_title

Here are some articles demonstrating criticism and challenging Obama's handling of the swine flu, lack of vaccines, improper response, and growing negative media coverage. These are hard to find since it was almost a decade ago. The closest thing I could find to Obama calling swine flu a hoax was he first used the argument that the traditional flu is much more deadly as a reason for the public not to be concerned and ignore the issue. A few months later he then declared a national emergency. Sounds similar to todays news. 

https://www.foxnews.com/transcript/deconstructing-the-swine-flu-causes-for-concern-and-calm

https://www.nytimes.com/2009/10/29/us/politics/29shortage.html

https://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-administration-launches-deceptive-swine-flu-propaganda-blitz/15860

http://archive.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/44032667.html/

https://www.usnews.com/news/washington-whispers/articles/2009/09/14/media-coverage-of-obama-grows-more-negative

https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB125640028120405945

https://www.mediamatters.org/sean-hannity/misinformation-pandemic-conservative-media-use-h1n1-oppose-health-care-reform

The media has been unfair to Trump, especially in his times of success. The justification for extra criticism is he is held to a different standard since he is not a career politician. However, when given opportunities to prove himself as a strong leader he sometimes fails. Leaders need to be called out for it, it is part of their job to handle it. With out allowing for healthy skepticism of our government and the decisions made, it will make us resemble a socialist/communist country. 

FDR gave an iconic response that will be remembered for generations in relation to the public being afraid. The media gave Trump an easy question about the public being scared. And there are a lot of people who are afraid (evidence by there being no toilet paper in grand forks). All he had to do was give a typical BS response to inspire and give hope to our country and all he did was crap on the reporter. This too will be an iconic response that will be remember for generations.

In addition to the previously noted H1N1 sources, here's a sample of Fox News' coverage of Ebola compared to Covid-19.  Fox is by far the most watched news outlet in the country.  It sits directly on top of the steaming pile that is American MSM.   

 

Is Trump treated fairly?  Not at all.  But, again, it comes with the territory. 

  

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5 minutes ago, MafiaMan said:

I have Obama’s “wingman” Eric Holder and Susan “IT WAS A YOUTUBE VIDEO!” Rice holding for you on lines 1 and 2, respectively...

Both of those individuals were highly qualified for the positions they held. Not even really a relevant comparison, but my expectations for any kind of standard wrt to discussion are pretty low these days. I will acknowledge that the right-wingers didn't like Holder or Rice very much, but they were absolutely qualified to be appointed to those positions.

 

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4 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said:

LOL. You come on here complaining about Richard Grenell and then accuse others of not adding anything to the discussion.

I was implying I wasn’t adding anything either, but at least the Grenell talk was actually in reference to Mr. MAGA’s reliance (or lack thereof) on the expertise he has at his disposal. You’re spare parts bud, see ya at the top of the lane way. 

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