2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[Hayduke1]

4 minutes ago, petey23 said:

It is literally one of the first chapters in the Democrat's playbook.

Really?  The rejection of facts are strong with this cultist.  Dear Leader would be proud. If Dear Leader actually gave a !@#$ about anyone but himself.

LMFAO.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2020/05/14/trumps_im_rubber_youre_glue_campaign_plan_511084.html

Trump's 'I'm Rubber, You're Glue' Campaign Plan

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

1 hour ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Democrats lost 49/50 states twice in the span of 20 years. Parties change and adapt. I believe there were articles in 2008 proclaiming the GOP was dead only for the Party to win both chambers of Congress and the Presidency within 8 years. 

The GOP and Democrat Party ebb and flow. The Chicken Little nonsense is always silly. All it takes is one dumb person or policy to drive people to the open arms of the other party... until they do something dumb too.

Further, its always funny to see libs bring up the "reasonable conservative." In 2004, libs were calling W a war criminal and fascist. In 2008 they were calling McCain all sorts of names, in 2012 Mitt Romney was a sexist who wanted to enslave black folks, in 2016/2020 they call Trump a Nazi. 

The only reasonable conservative to nearly any Democrat tends to be the conservative they previously called similar names to whomever they are running against now. The "reasonable conservative" is some strawman invented that probably never existed.

And now that W, McCain and Romney spoke out against the direction of the party, Trump Trash are pretending like they didn't slob their knobs and go along with the very stupid and expensive war on "terror".

[UNDlaw80]

In addition to being under investigation for money laundering, this coming out is probably a good reason why Parscale went on his suicidal rampage.  His fingerprints are undoubtedly all over it. 

 

  

 

 

[JohnboyND7]

26 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

And now that W, McCain and Romney spoke out against the direction of the party, Trump Trash are pretending like they didn't slob their knobs and go along with the very stupid and expensive war on "terror".

 

I'm fine with W and Romney criticizing The Don. W in particular, likable guy. They aren't creating dumb strawman arguments. I'll take issue with people who didn't vote for W, McCain, or Romney pulling some "if only the GOP nominated reasonable conservatives!" card. Those three were typical establishment Republicans, and Mitt Romney in particular was as moderate a choice as Democrats could have asked for, and he still got his character assassinated. 

The GOP DID nominate the hypothetical reasonable guy and he got ripped apart as a monster. When the GOP picks a moderate or establishment type in 2024, guys like Hayduke and the mainstream media will trot out the same nonsense they deploy today against Donald, and the same crap they pulled on Mitt, McCain, and W.

[The Sicatoka]

https://www.wired.com/story/testing-wont-save-us-from-covid-19/

[Goon]

3 hours ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

Any other Republican would have done the same.  

 

I disagree, a lot of the republicans like establishment RINO's like Jeb Bush, John Kasich are feckless and would caved under any amount of pressure from the Democrats. How many of the 16 on the primary stage would've stood up for Justice Kavanaugh? I agree with @Bison06 you way over simplified this. We have President Trump because our dear leader Barrack Obama who was one of the most polarizing presidents of my lifetime. Our friends on the left have a really tough time seeing this, because you approved of his cult of personality. Obama was a horrible president for the economy and for tax policy. We paid a huge tax burden under him. His immigration policy sucked. Before you start,  I had a front row seat to his stupidity. As a government worker, my time under Obama was the worst of my 23+ years working for the feds. On his way out the door, Obama made many political appointees permanent employees, so, yes there is a deep state. 

I mean, I get it you have Trump Derangement Syndrome, that's fine. You hate Trump. I didn't like the last two democratic presidents we had, they were horrendous. Sure, Trump may not have the bedside manner some like and he's on Twitter way too much.  I think he's been the closest thing  to Ronald Reagan. 

[Goon]

2 hours ago, Hayduke1 said:

You're confusing me with gooneytunes. 

But, hey, when I think of bizzzzzzzzzzzzzon and his butthurt over Dear Leader, follow these words of wizzzzzzzzzzdom..

I like it, I'm not gonna crack
I miss you, I'm not gonna crack
I love you, I'm not gonna crack

Don't do the next line.... 

 

 

No @Bison06 is 100 percent correct, you should be in a rubber room. 

[zonadub]

3 hours ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

 

I'm willing to endure 4 years of Biden in order to bring stability back to the country.    Trump preys on instability.  From day 1 his entire presidency was predicated on fanning the flames of division, which has given a voice to the populists, racists and nationalists.  And, in turn, radical elements on the left followed suit.  He's exposing, magnifying and propagating the worst elements of our country.   Trump is a conman who appeals to the LCD of society.  

 

 

Thank you for taking the time to explain why you feel how you do about Trump. This is much more informative than Hayduke’s name calling.

While I would agree that Trump is, what my wife and I called in 2016, the angry old white man’s candidate, I would like to consider myself a nationalist. Hopefully not a racist. Yes, he appeals to the bigots and LCD, as you call them, but his bravado and willingness to be a businessman in a political world put America back on a better economic foundation. He made tough decisions that even his own political party shuddered to support. Why should the United States be the funding source for things like the Global Climate Accord when places like China are far worse offenders and yet do not pay their fair share? In that sense, I agree that we should take care of our own before handing out billions of dollars to countries that hate us and always will.

I will beg to differ on the source of the divisiveness we are seeing, although not disagreeing that Trump has done nothing to quell the division. From day 1, when he announced his candidacy for president, he has been continually attacked by the mainstream media sources. My feeling is that the media has been the fuel to the radical division of the country, both sides - CNN/MSNBC/ABC/CBS  and FOX. It has caused painful family fights and long time friendships have been ruined because of what is going on in Washington. I have tried to find a neutral fact-checking source but if they are not as liberal as snopes.com, they are as conservative as FoxNews.

In a country of 340 million people, we should be able to come up with better candidates to be the leader of the free world. I was as never Hillary as Hayduke is never Trump and cannot find a good reason to vote for Biden. His 47 years in the political arena as someone who bends whichever way the wind blows does not inspire any confidence in him or his willingness to be a tough negotiator with China, N Korea, Russia or Iran or even the far left wing (that seems to have taken over) of the Democrat party.

That said, I have believed from the beginning of this epidemic of Coronavirus, that Trump was bringing jobs back to the USA and reducing our dependence on China. That pissed them off and they decided to go to war against us economically. The rest of the world is just collateral damage in their vengeance. They have succeeded and have crippled our economy by shutting us down and taking away our humanity/individuality with mask mandates (like they have done in their extremely polluted cities). I really feel that Trump will be better at restarting our economy than the socialist tendencies that have populated the Democrat platform.

My apologies for this getting so long. I will get off my soapbox now.

[Hayduke1]

10 minutes ago, Goon said:

I disagree, a lot of the republicans like establishment RINO's like Jeb Bush, John Kasich are feckless and would caved under any amount of pressure from the Democrats. How many of the 16 on the primary stage would've stood up for Justice Kavanaugh? I agree with @Bison06 you way over simplified this. We have President Trump because our dear leader Barrack Obama who was one of the most polarizing presidents of my lifetime. Our friends on the left have a really tough time seeing this, because you approved of his cult of personality. Obama was a horrible president for the economy and for tax policy. We paid a huge tax burden under him. His immigration policy sucked. Before you start,  I had a front row seat to his stupidity. As a government worker, my time under Obama was the worst of my 23+ years working for the feds. On his way out the door, Obama made many political appointees permanent employees, so, yes there is a deep state. 

I mean, I get it you have Trump Derangement Syndrome, that's fine. You hate Trump. I didn't like the last two democratic presidents we had, they were horrendous. Sure, Trump may not have the bedside manner some like and he's on Twitter way too much.  I think he's been the closest thing  to Ronald Reagan. 

Ah, projection gooneytunes.

As a cultist, Dear Leader has a grasp on you.  In turn, you have lost your grasp on reality.

I'll reply later under another moniker.  Stay paranoid! 

LMFAO.

[TheFlop]

1 hour ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

And now that W, McCain and Romney spoke out against the direction of the party, Trump Trash are pretending like they didn't slob their knobs and go along with the very stupid and expensive war on "terror".

Romney is still sour grapes over not getting a chance to run again so I take anything he says with a grain of salt.  I don't blame McCain for sticking up for her husband.  

[Hayduke1]

Here is a good take on Democrstic strategy with SCOTUS.  Cultists beware, you're not gonna like it:

Edit:  The author is Bill Svelmoe, a historian from St. Mary's College, Notre Dame, IN.

 

A few thoughts on Amy Coney Barrett, our new Supreme Court justice.

< removed as copy/paste of full text is copyright violation > 

< @Hayduke1 -- You've been warned about copyright before. This is twice. You know what they say about third time. > 

[JohnboyND7]

I'm pretty confident that the Congress cannot put a caveat in legislation dictating to the Supreme Court the terms on which they can find it constitutional or not. 

Passing that law alone would get challenged and shot down 9-0, and I suspect each justice would be salivating at the opportunity to write that opinion. Judges are not going to cede objectively judicial power to the Congress lol.

Adding SCOTUS judges just starts a cycle of each party adding the number of judges they need to pass/shoot down the other party's legislation and ultimately would justify secession. 

Trying to corner justices doesn't work. These people are generally the smartest person in the room, and aren't going to be very effective at landing punches on a judge. Anyone who watched or listened to the Kavanaugh hearing would have seen Dems trying to put gloves on him and continuously missing. These guys/gals are well-coached, some guy on a measage board doesn’t have the solution to somehow dunking on them.

 

[Sioux>Bison]

16 hours ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Thing is, the potential for fraud is higher in instances like this.   If someone claims huge losses to avoid paying taxes, yet inflates revenues for loan purposes...it’s fraud 101.   And that begs the question, how the hell did Trump get those loans from Deutsche Bank?  


Edit:    wow. Trump’s records show in 2017 he paid $747,622 to an unnamed consultant.  That same year Ivanka’s disclosure forms show that she received $747,622 via a consulting company she co-owned. 

What’s your point??? Trump had no control over his business in 2017 so his sons decided to hire their sisters consulting firm? What’s the big deal! It’s their business that they can hire and OU whoever they want! 
 

what isn’t in these tax returns are the Russian payments that Trump was supposedly hiding! So much for that bombshell nothing burger.....

[Hayduke1]

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

1 hour ago, JohnboyND7 said:

 

I'm fine with W and Romney criticizing The Don. W in particular, likable guy. They aren't creating dumb strawman arguments. I'll take issue with people who didn't vote for W, McCain, or Romney pulling some "if only the GOP nominated reasonable conservatives!" card. Those three were typical establishment Republicans, and Mitt Romney in particular was as moderate a choice as Democrats could have asked for, and he still got his character assassinated. 

The GOP DID nominate the hypothetical reasonable guy and he got ripped apart as a monster. When the GOP picks a moderate or establishment type in 2024, guys like Hayduke and the mainstream media will trot out the same nonsense they deploy today against Donald, and the same crap they pulled on Mitt, McCain, and W.

If Trump wins, 2024 is likely be Don Jr. Even if he doesn't win in November, it's hard to imagine the GOP coming back to the center. It's too far down the same populist rabbit hole leftists are trying to steer the DNC into.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

1 hour ago, TheFlop said:

Romney is still sour grapes over not getting a chance to run again so I take anything he says with a grain of salt.  I don't blame McCain for sticking up for her husband.  

Romney definitely shot his wad at the wrong time. He would have mopped the floor with Hillary.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

3 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Romney definitely shot his wad at the wrong time. He would have mopped the floor with Hillary.

Today would of been a much better day with Romney.

[JohnboyND7]

1 minute ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

If Trump wins, 2024 is likely be Don Jr. Even if he doesn't win in November, it's hard to imagine the GOP coming back to the center. It's too far down the same populist rabbit hole leftists are trying to steer the DNC into.

I dont see it. I anticipate Haley. She's well liked, and the GOP would thoroughly enjoy a shot at electing the first female President. I don't think the Party will allow itself to get snagged into a 2016 situation again. Too many cooks in the kitchen there lent itself to the loud goofy tv guy getting picked.

[JohnboyND7]

1 minute ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Today would of been a much better day with Romney.

he was a sexist, racist, homophobe who dabbled in animal cruelty and didn't pay his taxes....Plus his foreign policy was straight out of the 80's! 

Gotta love our media. 

[zonadub]

Not about Joe Biden but about the Democrat leadership that I fear will be telling Biden how to think... 

I do not understand why the Democratic leaders of Congress knelt in the halls of Congress for about 9 minutes, for the death of a black man named George Floyd and other persons.

 I have never seen them kneel for a fallen Police Officer, for a fallen Soldier or for the soldiers left to die in Benghazi!!

I have never seen them kneel for the thousands of (black and white) babies aborted EVERY DAY.

I have never seen them kneel for a murdered white man or woman.

I have not seen them kneel for the thousands of black-on-black murder victims.

I have not seen them kneel for the thousands of elderly people that died in nursing homes due to the Corona Virus.

I have to ask: WHY are Democrats putting the life of George Floyd as more valuable than the lives of everyone else?

In fact, Democrats have put so much value on the life of George Floyd, they have allowed rioting, looting, arson, murder and mayhem in communities Nationwide...

This is for a guy who was arrested NINE times; was a convicted drug dealer; held a gun to the stomach of a pregnant lady while his five buddies robbed her home; did prison time three different times totaling about eight years and obviously didn't learn from our penal system  And America is memorializing him by painting murals of the guy on the sides of buildings like he's a hero?  Unbelievable!!  You got to be kidding me.

And to pour salt in the wound, Pelosi presented his brother a folded American flag flown over the Capitol in his honor in a beautiful tri-cornered presentation case. A flag that should be reserved to honor those who have served America with honor. (think fallen soldiers and first responders)

Don’t get me wrong, I am not justifying George Floyd’s death at the hand of a police officer, but what is wrong with this picture?

[Hayduke1]

13 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

I dont see it. I anticipate Haley. She's well liked, and the GOP would thoroughly enjoy a shot at electing the first female President. I don't think the Party will allow itself to get snagged into a 2016 situation again. Too many cooks in the kitchen there lent itself to the loud goofy tv guy getting picked.

I could see a Kamala vs. Haley match up in 2024.  Yes, I could see Haley potentially winning.  Either way it would probably be close.

Oddly, the restrictive way the Democrats gave us Hillary in 2016 - trying to keep the more progressive elements in check vs. the more open process of the GOP, which allowed the fringe in Trump, ultimately caused Trump to be elected.  

Playing it safe didn't work in 2016 for the Democrats.  I think it will this time with Biden, but I would prefer a more open process like the GOP.  

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

23 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

he was a sexist, racist, homophobe who dabbled in animal cruelty and didn't pay his taxes....Plus his foreign policy was straight out of the 80's! 

You really have blinders on. That all sumed up is a venial sin as compard to T's mortal sins.

 

Regarding the NYT's T tax news:

T called the article on his taxes as fake news, but has not directly disputed it and the $750 in 2016 & 17, or given in about releasing his tax records.

Intelligence says the magnitude of T’s debts pose a vulnerability that is compounded by his determination to prevent his $ records going public.

The hiding of his vulnerability is the potential huge security risk. The more you hide, the greater lengths one will go to keep it hidden. Huge potential problem.

Like I've said before, if he reviels his taxes, he shoots his other foot off, he's done.

[UNDlaw80]

5 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said:

What’s your point??? Trump had no control over his business in 2017 so his sons decided to hire their sisters consulting firm? What’s the big deal! It’s their business that they can hire and OU whoever they want! 
 

what isn’t in these tax returns are the Russian payments that Trump was supposedly hiding! So much for that bombshell nothing burger.....

 

No, they can’t hire whoever they want.  

The $747,622 figure came from Ivanka's financial disclosure when she joined the White House in 2017, meaning she was still a company executive when this deal went down.  Or as the NYT wrote, Ivanka "had been an executive officer of the Trump companies that received profits from and paid the consulting fees for both projects,".  

You cannot be a co-executive (inside the company) and an outside consultant. That consulting-fee arrangement is not legal. 

[JohnboyND7]

15 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

You really have blinders on. That all sumed up is a venial sin as compard to T's mortal sins.

 

Regarding the NYT's T tax news:

T called the article on his taxes as fake news, but has not directly disputed it and the $750 in 2016 & 17, or given in about releasing his tax records.

Intelligence says the magnitude of T’s debts pose a vulnerability that is compounded by his determination to prevent his $ records going public.

The hiding of his vulnerability is the potential huge security risk. The more you hide, the greater lengths one will go to keep it hidden. Huge potential problem.

Like I've said before, if he reviels his taxes, he shoots his other foot off, he's done.

Not sure how being a sexist, racist, homophobe with issues of animal cruelty and a hawkish attitude against a regional nuclear superpower can be regarded as venial sins. The media and DNC told us this in 2012. Mitt was a monster. Now I am to believe that they were just kidding around back then and Trump REALLY IS a monster? Nah. The media lost all credibility. Not my fault they suck at their job.

Donald doesn't need to release his taxes to prove anything. Apparently the NYT has them already. Whats this intelligence you speak of? The IRS has had this information for 20 years. You are telling me the Obama IRS, who literally got busted for targeting groups and individuals hostile to his administration, had information that Donald Trump was compromised in some way and did nothing with it?

It appears you have some weird belief that Trump is both an idiot and some evil genius mastermind. 

The more likely reality is that he doesn't want his taxes released because he doesnt have as much money as the he likes to lead people to believe because he's a pretty petty and vain dude.

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

12 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

I dont see it. I anticipate Haley. She's well liked, and the GOP would thoroughly enjoy a shot at electing the first female President. I don't think the Party will allow itself to get snagged into a 2016 situation again. Too many cooks in the kitchen there lent itself to the loud goofy tv guy getting picked.

That would definitely make some heads explode if the first female president is GOP.