2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[Nodak78]

52 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Of course they do.  They swore an oath to uphold our Constitution, not an oath to uphold a cult. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/more-200-retired-generals-admirals-endorse-biden-including-some-who-n1240842?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR0ecCrk1x1Cg0LTgO5TF-Bh-TYPec2SKMpoHmElJKsp8dPqcLzIAyZ0nVI&fbclid=IwAR1ofZ3a4nkj_vCqLL_4Vlb90Ujf3pb0YG7JGj_lb69eQrgwibSfFqwHMEc

More than 200 retired generals and admirals endorsed Joe Biden for president in a letter published Thursday, saying he had the character and judgment to serve as commander-in-chief instead of President Donald Trump, who has failed "to meet challenges large or small."

 

The Generals Are Hardly Objective, Unbiased Observers

Needless to say, this view of the generals veers far from the reality. Moreover, the generals may now be morally and ideologically compromised by their deep ties to weapons manufacturers and the corporate boards on which many generals serve.

In a blistering article published at the American Conservative last week, Hunter Derensis explains how the image of American generals as selfless public servants is long past its expiration date:

Perhaps Trump learned the hard way that the generals of the forever wars don’t measure up to the twentieth-century soldiers he adulated growing up.

For instance, when George Marshall oversaw the deployment of 8.3 million GIs across four continents in World War II, he did so with the assistance of only three other four-star generals. In retirement, Marshall refused to sit on any corporate boards, and passed on multiple lucrative book deals, lest he give the impression that he was profiting from his military record. As he told one publisher, “he had not spent his life serving the government in order to sell his life story to the Saturday Evening Post.”

Contrast that to the bloated, top-heavy military establishment of today, where an unprecedented forty-one four-star generals oversee only 1.3 million men[-] and women-at-arms. These men, selected and groomed because of their safe habits, spend years patting themselves on the back for managing wars-not-won, awaiting the day they can cash in. According to an analysis by The Boston Globe, in the mid-1990s nearly 50% of three- and four-star generals went on to work as consultants or executives for the arms industry. In 2006, at the height of the Iraq War, that number swelled to over 80% of retirees.

The examples are as endless as America’s foreign occupations: former Director of Naval Intelligence Jack Dorsett joined the board of Northrop-Grumman; he was later followed by former Air Force Chief of Staff Mark Welsh; meanwhile, former Vice Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff James Cartwright went to Raytheon; former Chairs of the Joint Chiefs—the highest ranking position in the military—William J. Crowe, John Shalikashvili, Richard Myers, and Joseph Dunford went on to work for General Dynamics, Boeing, Northrop-Grumman, and Lockheed-Martin, respectively.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/military-generals-are-just-another-group-self-interested-technocrats

 

[Hayduke1]

13 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

 

The Generals Are Hardly Objective, Unbiased Observers

Needless to say, this view of the generals veers far from the reality. Moreover, the generals may now be morally and ideologically compromised by their deep ties to weapons manufacturers and the corporate boards on which many generals serve.

In a blistering article published at the American Conservative last week, Hunter Derensis explains how the image of American generals as selfless public servants is long past its expiration date:

Perhaps Trump learned the hard way that the generals of the forever wars don’t measure up to the twentieth-century soldiers he adulated growing up.

For instance, when George Marshall oversaw the deployment of 8.3 million GIs across four continents in World War II, he did so with the assistance of only three other four-star generals. In retirement, Marshall refused to sit on any corporate boards, and passed on multiple lucrative book deals, lest he give the impression that he was profiting from his military record. As he told one publisher, “he had not spent his life serving the government in order to sell his life story to the Saturday Evening Post.”

Contrast that to the bloated, top-heavy military establishment of today, where an unprecedented forty-one four-star generals oversee only 1.3 million men[-] and women-at-arms. These men, selected and groomed because of their safe habits, spend years patting themselves on the back for managing wars-not-won, awaiting the day they can cash in. According to an analysis by The Boston Globe, in the mid-1990s nearly 50% of three- and four-star generals went on to work as consultants or executives for the arms industry. In 2006, at the height of the Iraq War, that number swelled to over 80% of retirees.

The examples are as endless as America’s foreign occupations: former Director of Naval Intelligence Jack Dorsett joined the board of Northrop-Grumman; he was later followed by former Air Force Chief of Staff Mark Welsh; meanwhile, former Vice Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff James Cartwright went to Raytheon; former Chairs of the Joint Chiefs—the highest ranking position in the military—William J. Crowe, John Shalikashvili, Richard Myers, and Joseph Dunford went on to work for General Dynamics, Boeing, Northrop-Grumman, and Lockheed-Martin, respectively.

https://www.zerohedge.com/political/military-generals-are-just-another-group-self-interested-technocrats

 

I see.

So. Cadet Bone Spurs doesn't like them.

Ooooh.

[TheFlop]

1 hour ago, Hayduke1 said:

Of course they do.  They swore an oath to uphold our Constitution, not an oath to uphold a cult. 

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-election/more-200-retired-generals-admirals-endorse-biden-including-some-who-n1240842?cid=sm_npd_ms_fb_ma&fbclid=IwAR0ecCrk1x1Cg0LTgO5TF-Bh-TYPec2SKMpoHmElJKsp8dPqcLzIAyZ0nVI&fbclid=IwAR1ofZ3a4nkj_vCqLL_4Vlb90Ujf3pb0YG7JGj_lb69eQrgwibSfFqwHMEc

More than 200 retired generals and admirals endorsed Joe Biden for president in a letter published Thursday, saying he had the character and judgment to serve as commander-in-chief instead of President Donald Trump, who has failed "to meet challenges large or small."

Those that serve in the military deserve the utmost respect for the time they put in.  It is possible to question their current motivations without discrediting their past accomplishments.  I've yet to run into a high ranking officer that retired from the military and then just threw his/her hands up and said, "well, that's it" time to sit on the porch and drink lemonade until I die.  Typically they have high paying lobbying/advising/civilian govt/contractor jobs lined up to start the Monday after the Friday that they retire.  I would like to see a description of what those retired high ranking officers are currently doing and where their paycheck is coming from.  Undoubtedly some on the list truly do think Trump is bad and their intentions are good.  But don't fall into the trap of thinking that just because they served in the military that they aren't capable of having ulterior motives in their post military careers.

[Hayduke1]

8 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Those that serve in the military deserve the utmost respect for the time they put in.  It is possible to question their current motivations without discrediting their past accomplishments.  I've yet to run into a high ranking officer that retired from the military and then just threw his/her hands up and said, "well, that's it" time to sit on the porch and drink lemonade until I die.  Typically they have high paying lobbying/advising/civilian govt/contractor jobs lined up to start the Monday after the Friday that they retire.  I would like to see a description of what those retired high ranking officers are currently doing and where their paycheck is coming from.  Undoubtedly some on the list truly do think Trump is bad and their intentions are good.  But don't fall into the trap of thinking that just because they served in the military that they aren't capable of having ulterior motives in their post military careers.

I see.

Maybe believing in the sanctity of our form of government is an ulterior motive. 

Got it. 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

14 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Those that serve in the military deserve the utmost respect for the time they put in.  

This was the case when we had a draft. Now that average, middle class people aren't compelled to join the military, there's less reason to blindly respect our troops. Do you respect the MS 13 members who joined the military to receive combat training?

[Oxbow6]

Legal gun sales are up from a year ago in these state......

AZ 84.5%

FL 59.4%

MI 114.0%

WI 66.6%

NC 114.5%

 

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

 

This is pretty damning. Only Soros could afford to cover that kind of expense for the protestors. 

[TheFlop]

3 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

This was the case when we had a draft. Now that average, middle class people aren't compelled to join the military, there's less reason to blindly respect our troops. Do you respect the MS 13 members who joined the military to receive combat training?

Nice.  Obviously not blind to the extent that you respect the ones that beat their wives or the gang members that enter just for weapons training......but to the average Joe/Jill that signs up and gives it their best when there were easier options out there ....yes they deserve respect.  True there aren't alot of rich kids that sign up, but there is a larger portion of middle class people that sign up than you might want to believe.

[TheFlop]

11 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Legal gun sales are up from a year ago in these state......

AZ 84.5%

FL 59.4%

MI 114.0%

WI 66.6%

NC 114.5%

 

If those numbers are even close to accurate, it would appear that residents in those states are concerned about their safety.  Seems like a law and order platform might be well received in those battleground states.  

[UNDBIZ]

12 minutes ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

 

This is pretty damning. Only Soros could afford to cover that kind of expense for the protestors. 

[Nodak78]

28 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Legal gun sales are up from a year ago in these state......

AZ 84.5%

FL 59.4%

MI 114.0%

WI 66.6%

NC 114.5%

 

Now that is a meaningful poll.

[Hayduke1]

10 minutes ago, Nodak78 said:

Now that is a meaningful poll.

Glad you feel that way 

https://news.yahoo.com/gun-sales-spike-among-african-americans-our-ancestors-died-for-us-to-vote-they-also-died-for-us-to-be-able-to-carry-guns-215942257.html

Gun sales spike among African-Americans: 'Our ancestors died for us to vote, they also died for us to be able to carry guns'

And while various demographic groups are buying guns in 2020, African-Americans account for the highest increase in gun purchases of any group.

[UNDBIZ]

1 minute ago, Hayduke1 said:

Glad you feel that way 

https://news.yahoo.com/gun-sales-spike-among-african-americans-our-ancestors-died-for-us-to-vote-they-also-died-for-us-to-be-able-to-carry-guns-215942257.html

Gun sales spike among African-Americans: 'Our ancestors died for us to vote, they also died for us to be able to carry guns'

And while various demographic groups are buying guns in 2020, African-Americans account for the highest increase in gun purchases of any group.

Good.

[Nodak78]

12 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Glad you feel that way 

https://news.yahoo.com/gun-sales-spike-among-african-americans-our-ancestors-died-for-us-to-vote-they-also-died-for-us-to-be-able-to-carry-guns-215942257.html

Gun sales spike among African-Americans: 'Our ancestors died for us to vote, they also died for us to be able to carry guns'

And while various demographic groups are buying guns in 2020, African-Americans account for the highest increase in gun purchases of any group.

Of course they would.  Many of their businesses have been burning down by Antifa and BLM.

[homer]

28 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Glad you feel that way 

https://news.yahoo.com/gun-sales-spike-among-african-americans-our-ancestors-died-for-us-to-vote-they-also-died-for-us-to-be-able-to-carry-guns-215942257.html

Gun sales spike among African-Americans: 'Our ancestors died for us to vote, they also died for us to be able to carry guns'

And while various demographic groups are buying guns in 2020, African-Americans account for the highest increase in gun purchases of any group.

Important to note that Biden is on record staying Beto will help him with gun control.  Probably won’t play well to groups stating they had people die so they could carry.  Wonder what those people buying guns could be worried about?   

[Goon]

55 minutes ago, homer said:

Important to note that Biden is on record staying Beto will help him with gun control.  Probably won’t play well to groups stating they had people die so they could carry.  Wonder what those people buying guns could be worried about?   

Robert Francis  O'Rourke, now there's a real winner. However, if Harris and Biden are elected, he's going to be the gun zar. As a legal, law abiding gun owner it should scare you.

 

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Moments after former Democratic presidential candidate Beto O’Rourke — who promised in a September debate to take away legally purchased assault rifles if elected — endorsed Joe Biden’s White House run, the former vice president promised to name the Texan as his point man on gun control.

 

 

 

[MrEdway]

4 hours ago, Hayduke1 said:

Yes.  

Because he did.  

But, go ahead and try to discredit a legitimate source. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-bolton-denies-atlantic-report-trump-soliders-france

Don't have to. Trump hater Bolton backs up Trump. Nice try Soyboy. You lose again.

[Hayduke1]

3 minutes ago, MrEdway said:

https://www.foxnews.com/media/john-bolton-denies-atlantic-report-trump-soliders-france

Don't have to. Trump hater Bolton backs up Trump. Nice try Soyboy. You lose again.

Mr. Headway

Bolton wasn't there.  Faux news?  LMFAO.

Bad try, cultist. 

[MrEdway]

17 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said:

Mr. Headway

Bolton wasn't there.  Faux news?  LMFAO.

Bad try, cultist. 

You didn't even read it did you Soyboy? Keep your head in the sand. Lol.

[Frozen4sioux]

well well well.. Truth comes out again.

Breanna Taylor was NOT killed in a no-nock raid as the left and Dems have been using to destroy the country.

Police did in fact, KNOCK and ANNOUNCE.... 

https://www.kxnet.com/news/national-news/officers-did-knock-before-breonna-taylor-shooting-investigation-finds/?utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_source=facebook.com

Why am I not supprised the ministers of propaganda used this a lie to destroy the country. Treason.

[JohnboyND7]

1 hour ago, Hayduke1 said:

Glad you feel that way 

https://news.yahoo.com/gun-sales-spike-among-african-americans-our-ancestors-died-for-us-to-vote-they-also-died-for-us-to-be-able-to-carry-guns-215942257.html

Gun sales spike among African-Americans: 'Our ancestors died for us to vote, they also died for us to be able to carry guns'

And while various demographic groups are buying guns in 2020, African-Americans account for the highest increase in gun purchases of any group.

Good. I celebrate all groups partaking in their right to bear arms.

[Hayduke1]

4 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Good. I celebrate all groups partaking in their right to bear arms.

Okay, then.

 

[JohnboyND7]

1 minute ago, Hayduke1 said:

Okay, then.

 

Those look like white guys?

[Hayduke1]

4 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

Those look like white guys?

Does that matter to you?

 

[Goon]

1 minute ago, Hayduke1 said:

Does that matter to you?

 

What is your point? Looks like a group of people exercising their second amendment right.