2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[SIOUXFAN97]

8 minutes ago, SWSiouxMN said:

So here is a story for you:

Surly Brewing is closing their brew hall on Nov 2nd.  They are putting the blame on COVID.

Is that the whole story though... two days before the closure, the employees at the brew hall announced that they were going to unionize.

Thoughts? 

the question is did they take all the fed money in the meanwhile knowing that they were going out of business (like the memory care center on s washington did)

also....if you owned a business in minnesota why wouldn't you move it to north or south dakota if you could?

[SWSiouxMN]

4 minutes ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

the question is did they take all the fed money in the meanwhile knowing that they were going out of business (like the memory care center on s washington did)

also....if you owned a business in minnesota why wouldn't you move it to north or south dakota if you could?

I cannot answer that first question, because I don't know.  Its a bit fishy...

 

[Goon]

1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said:

I cannot answer that first question, because I don't know.  Its a bit fishy...

 

It would be interesting to hear why they unionized. Yeah. It would also being interesting to find out if they took the money. 

[Redneksioux]

4 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

the question is did they take all the fed money in the meanwhile knowing that they were going out of business (like the memory care center on s washington did)

also....if you owned a business in minnesota why wouldn't you move it to north or south dakota if you could?

There’s one memory care place on south wash and last i checked they are still in business. You should verify what you post before starting rumors online about local businessses.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

Trump spoke in North Carolina yesterday and said to voters you should send in mail-in ballots and then vote at a polling location.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

Trump won't stop interfering in the election.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-wont-stop-interfering-in-the-election/ar-BB18EyhB?ocid=msedgntp


 

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

This pretty much wraps up why I will not vote for TRUMP.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/commentary-donald-trump-the-immoralist/ar-BB18FudK?ocid=msedgntp
ethical matters have been implicit in innumerable criticisms of Trump: his routine lying, his violation of fundamental political norms, his disregard for constitutional limits, his blatant obstruction of the coming election, his errant policies and taste for chaos.

But we clarify and deepen our judgment of Trump by bringing to it a specifically moral dimension. There are, of course, a multitude of vices of character, religious and secular, that could apply, as well as elaborate systems of ethical principles. They emphasize that Trump’s immorality, enhanced by his enablers, degrades democracy in America.

We begin with indecency. Trump’s modus vivendi is to taint, defame and libel fellow Americans, precisely because they exhibit decency and fair-mindedness — people like Sen. John McCain, the grieving Gold Star parents Khizr and Ghazala Khan, honorable career officials like ambassador Marie Yovanovitch. Anyone admired who is not admiring of him is liable to be attacked in repugnant terms with obscene gestures. Truth-tellers who question him — journalists or scientists — are met with unremitting assaults on their honesty and professional reputation. Trump also levels vicious attacks on entire groups, including immigrants, protesters and Democratic “scum.”

Presidential indecency radiates throughout society. Its distinctive damage to democracy is that it sets an all-pervasive environment of disrespect and dehumanization. Trump’s targets are divested of every dimension of fellow citizenship. His unrestrained attacks remove inhibitions on violence. They suppress the negotiations and mutuality that democracy assumes and cannot work without.

Cruelty goes further. It lies in his infliction of pain and suffering. Trump seeks not only to combat but to destroy those he sees as opponents. He seeks to bring about a break in their life trajectory: separating immigrant children from their parents, firing a career professional who turns whistleblower. There is lethal cruelty in his insistence on opening up society in the face of resurgent outbreaks of COVID-19: his readiness to sacrifice for his personal electoral advantage thousands of people who will sicken and die from the virus.

As a result, people in public life fear his power to destroy their careers, and ordinary citizens fear his erratic and destructive behavior and the harm it may do them. A fearful citizenry becomes passive, immobilized and isolated.

Recklessness, or carelessness, consists of Trump’s complete lack of concern about the consequences of his speech and actions for others. It amplifies indecency and cruelty. Taking the word careless literally, we can say that our president fails to take care of the people and institutions of his country. The result of presidential carelessness is to make all policies ad hoc, all institutions disordered, all public expectations of continuity disrupted.

We see this, again, most clearly in his pandemic response, including Trump’s advocacy of the ineffective and dangerous drug hydroxychloroquine, disparagement of medical authorities, encouraging followers to reject elementary precautions like wearing masks, and most reckless of all, provoking protests for “liberation” from public health imperatives.

Trump’s indecency, cruelty and carelessness have no limits. It leads to our judgment that not only Trump’s discrete acts but the man and his entire presidency are immoral and a disaster for democracy. Directly confronting America’s descent into immorality is a necessary step in national renewal.

[Bison Dan]

11 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

This pretty much wraps up why I will not vote for TRUMP.


https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/commentary-donald-trump-the-immoralist/ar-BB18FudK?ocid=msedgntp
ethical matters have been implicit in innumerable criticisms of Trump: his routine lying, his violation of fundamental political norms, his disregard for constitutional limits, his blatant obstruction of the coming election, his errant policies and taste for chaos.

But we clarify and deepen our judgment of Trump by bringing to it a specifically moral dimension. There are, of course, a multitude of vices of character, religious and secular, that could apply, as well as elaborate systems of ethical principles. They emphasize that Trump’s immorality, enhanced by his enablers, degrades democracy in America.

We begin with indecency. Trump’s modus vivendi is to taint, defame and libel fellow Americans, precisely because they exhibit decency and fair-mindedness — people like Sen. John McCain, the grieving Gold Star parents Khizr and Ghazala Khan, honorable career officials like ambassador Marie Yovanovitch. Anyone admired who is not admiring of him is liable to be attacked in repugnant terms with obscene gestures. Truth-tellers who question him — journalists or scientists — are met with unremitting assaults on their honesty and professional reputation. Trump also levels vicious attacks on entire groups, including immigrants, protesters and Democratic “scum.”

Presidential indecency radiates throughout society. Its distinctive damage to democracy is that it sets an all-pervasive environment of disrespect and dehumanization. Trump’s targets are divested of every dimension of fellow citizenship. His unrestrained attacks remove inhibitions on violence. They suppress the negotiations and mutuality that democracy assumes and cannot work without.

Cruelty goes further. It lies in his infliction of pain and suffering. Trump seeks not only to combat but to destroy those he sees as opponents. He seeks to bring about a break in their life trajectory: separating immigrant children from their parents, firing a career professional who turns whistleblower. There is lethal cruelty in his insistence on opening up society in the face of resurgent outbreaks of COVID-19: his readiness to sacrifice for his personal electoral advantage thousands of people who will sicken and die from the virus.

As a result, people in public life fear his power to destroy their careers, and ordinary citizens fear his erratic and destructive behavior and the harm it may do them. A fearful citizenry becomes passive, immobilized and isolated.

Recklessness, or carelessness, consists of Trump’s complete lack of concern about the consequences of his speech and actions for others. It amplifies indecency and cruelty. Taking the word careless literally, we can say that our president fails to take care of the people and institutions of his country. The result of presidential carelessness is to make all policies ad hoc, all institutions disordered, all public expectations of continuity disrupted.

We see this, again, most clearly in his pandemic response, including Trump’s advocacy of the ineffective and dangerous drug hydroxychloroquine, disparagement of medical authorities, encouraging followers to reject elementary precautions like wearing masks, and most reckless of all, provoking protests for “liberation” from public health imperatives.

Trump’s indecency, cruelty and carelessness have no limits. It leads to our judgment that not only Trump’s discrete acts but the man and his entire presidency are immoral and a disaster for democracy. Directly confronting America’s descent into immorality is a necessary step in national renewal.

LOL - Give me a break - who's been trying to destroy  President Thump since day one.  As far as McCain and others they started the criticism and Thump hits back.  He's not W who let the left walk all over him and didn't say a word.  This article is a joke.  

[UND1983]

54 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Trump won't stop interfering in the election.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-wont-stop-interfering-in-the-election/ar-BB18EyhB?ocid=msedgntp


 

A statement in September qualifies as interfering with an election that takes place in November?     

[UNDBIZ]

On 9/1/2020 at 4:07 PM, UNDBIZ said:

Have ndsu and Cass County simply ceased testing?

https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-testing-care/where-get-covid-19-test

Cass County is only testing priority groups and is not having the free, open, mass testing events.

https://www.inforum.com/incoming/6645817-President-Bresciani-explains-NDSUs-cloudy-COVID-picture NDSU has not been encouraging testing of anyone.

No wonder the numbers there are so much "better."

[Goon]

2 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Trump spoke in North Carolina yesterday and said to voters you should send in mail-in ballots and then vote at a polling location.

I don't think that's what he's talking about. I heard the hosts talking about this on Fox this morning. They're saying get an absentee ballot and bring it to the polls. That's quite different than vote twice (once in person and by mail-in ballot). 

[Goon]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

A statement in September qualifies as interfering with an election that takes place in November?     

I don't believe anything that Constipated News Network hast to say. Sounds like the Fake News CNN is trying to advance a false narrative. You can see it already popping up in the social media feeds. 

[Hayduke1]

17 minutes ago, Goon said:

I don't believe anything that Constipated News Network hast to say. Sounds like the Fake News CNN is trying to advance a false narrative. You can see it already popping up in the social media feeds. 

They're out to get you.

Remain paranoid and stock up on rubber bullets.

[Hayduke1]

MAGA! 

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/09/01/opinions/social-security-payroll-trump-altman/index.html

Trump has already ordered the Treasury Department to stop collecting Social Security's dedicated payroll contributions for the next four months pursuant to the Internal Revenue Code, which permits deferrals of taxes when a disaster is declared. Once re-elected, if he keeps deferring those taxes, all benefits will come to a screeching halt, with no Congressional involvement whatsoever.

[Oxbow6]

37 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

https://www.health.nd.gov/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/symptoms-testing-care/where-get-covid-19-test

Cass County is only testing priority groups and is not having the free, open, mass testing events.

https://www.inforum.com/incoming/6645817-President-Bresciani-explains-NDSUs-cloudy-COVID-picture NDSU has not been encouraging testing of anyone.

No wonder the numbers there are so much "better."

Guess it depends on what lane one want to be in. The "only cases matter" lane or "hospitalizations/deaths matter" lane.  

But it is naive of Dean to think there aren't more asymptomatic kids running around the NDSU campus by comparing the two schools.

[The Sicatoka]

This is why testing is a joke.

In engineering terms, testing is too late: The defect is already in the product. 

[UNDBIZ]

Just now, The Sicatoka said:

This is why testing is a joke.

In engineering terms, testing is too late: The defect is already in the product. 

Is it better to wait to address the issue until after the product ships and kills its users?

[The Sicatoka]

Just now, UNDBIZ said:

Is it better to wait to address the issue until after the product ships and kills its users?

Better to never inject the defect into the product. 

Design systems so the defect can not occur; good design up front to design out the defect. 

Things like ... don't put infected folks in elder care homes. 

[UNDBIZ]

1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

Better to never inject the defect into the product. 

Design systems so the defect can not occur; good design up front to design out the defect. 

Things like ... don't put infected folks in elder care homes. 

How do you determine whether a nursing home employee is infected or not if you don't test them?

[The Sicatoka]

2 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

How do you determine whether a nursing home employee is infected or not if you don't test them?

That's the "design the defect out" process; it just happens to be a 'test' in this case. (In the engineering world it's a design review or prototyping.) 

[UNDBIZ]

1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

That's the "design the defect out" process; it just happens to be a 'test' in this case. (In the engineering world it's a design review or prototyping.) 

So testing is necessary in this case?

[UNDlaw80]

Unlike the Rambo wannabes fighting the "evil leftist Antifa types"........

 

 

[Redneksioux]

1 hour ago, Goon said:

I don't think that's what he's talking about. I heard the hosts talking about this on Fox this morning. They're saying get an absentee ballot and bring it to the polls. That's quite different than vote twice (once in person and by mail-in ballot). 

Fox News, if you heard it there it must be true!

[Goon]

We keep hearing how the right is fanning flames of violence. He’s a collection of left-leaning people and their comments. I’ll hang up and listen.

 

 

[Hayduke1]

10 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said:

Unlike the Rambo wannabes fighting the "evil leftist Antifa types"........

 

 

An unstable president, like Trump, is a great concern for members of our armed forces.  Knowing that our enemies pay bounties on them and the orange turd does and says nothing has to be killing morale.