Kermit's Luck Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said: Calling for "unity" after calling those same folks "chumps" ... is that leadership or decreasing division? Please translate. I have no idea what you’re saying here. It doesn’t seem like you answered my question though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDlaw80 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 hour ago, 1972 said: what is the "stategy of division"? because he didnt want the crazies tearing up cities? this division you speak of started long before trump even decided to run for president. it is a very weak argument that has little to no proof Right, but Trump preys on our existing divisions like no President before him. His entire shtick is predicated on a "us vs them/good vs bad" mentality, complete with juvenile name calling. Sure others have said **** from time to time, but it's 24/7 with Trump. He purposely makes himself the center of attention. There's no middle ground with him. Very little compromise. He'll even thoroughly demonize his own party members who disagree with him. I suspect that's what makes him attractive to some people. In their mind he 'tells it like it is'. But it's not good for national unity. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, jdub27 said: I never claimed he started it, I stated he has made it an up-front, central part of his political strategy. I don't care where you are on the political spectrum, if you can't see Trump thrives off divisiveness and openly creating an "us vs. them" mentality more than any other politician in my lifetime, I don't know what to tell you. Is it prevalent with politicians of both parties? Absolutely. Does Trump openly take it further than anyone else? Without question. It is a strategy that worked for him in 2016 when he had the perfect villian in Hillary. It mostly worked during his 4 years as president to keep his base engergized but it absolutely is what failed him to get re-elected. If he had toned down his rhetoric and at least pretended that he could work with others, he would have won and probably by a fair amount. None of this should be any sort of shocking revelation. is it possible that people were/are tired of the road that the left has been leading us down, really unchecked by anyone in the media or in gov,for over a decade? do you think that it is possible people needed someone to stand up for them and give them a voice? most of the country( yes, MOST) does not like what the far left thinks or does, and are tired of media not taking them to task on it. the strategy of cops are bad, and you deserve to get everything free, and you should shut down any sort of speech or idea you dont like, has finally had people telling govt. "enough".... most people prefer law and order over chaos. and that is what trump has been saying. follow the laws of the land. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, UNDlaw80 said: There's no middle ground with him. Very little compromise. and yet he has brokered a ton of deals that are extremely good for the country...funny. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Calling for "unity" after calling those same folks "chumps" ... is that leadership or decreasing division? Methinks in 2016 a politician called a group of voters "deplorables", and right there and then a movement gained steam where these "deplorables" really didn't give a $hit about unity or feelings and the line was drawn. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDlaw80 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, 1972 said: and yet he has brokered a ton of deals that are extremely good for the country...funny. Not according to our citizenry. We voted his ass out, by a significant margin. People were sick and tired of the Trump division and chaos. Democracy wins in the end. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 "Lockdown for thee, yet not for me." -- Legislators from four states https://thefederalist.com/2020/11/17/california-and-washington-lawmakers-flee-to-hawaii-after-cancelling-thanksgiving/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 18 minutes ago, jdub27 said: I never claimed he started it, I stated he has made it an up-front, central part of his political strategy. I don't care where you are on the political spectrum, if you can't see Trump thrives off divisiveness and openly creating an "us vs. them" mentality more than any other politician in my lifetime, I don't know what to tell you. Is it prevalent with politicians of both parties? Absolutely. Does Trump openly take it further than anyone else? Without question. It is a strategy that worked for him in 2016 when he had the perfect villian in Hillary. It mostly worked during his 4 years as president to keep his base engergized but it absolutely is what derailed his election. If he had toned down his rhetoric and at least pretended that he could work with others, he would have won and probably by a fair amount. None of this should be any sort of shocking revelation. Nowhere did I state the division was along any sort of race or ethnicity line. The Dems behavior at the Kavanaugh hearings took things to the next level. I would venture to say the straight up partisan vote on Obamacare was when things changed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit's Luck Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Wilbur said: Methinks in 2016 a politician called a group of voters "deplorables", and right there and then a movement gained steam where these "deplorables" really didn't give a $hit about unity or feelings and the line was drawn. I’m pretty sure she was referencing the white supremacy groups that were (and still are) rabid Trump supporters. But if you think that one comment from a losing candidate is equally divisive as all of Trump’s rhetoric (or perhaps created ALL of the divide in this country), that’s your opinion but it’s far fetched at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 1 minute ago, Kermit's Luck said: I’m pretty sure she was referencing the white supremacy groups that were (and still are) rabid Trump supporters. But if you think that one comment from a losing candidate is equally divisive as all of Trump’s rhetoric (or perhaps created ALL of the divide in this country), that’s your opinion but it’s far fetched at best. and if you think that Trump created ALL the divide in this country, you are either living in a cave, to young to know different, or just nieve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petey23 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said: I’m pretty sure she was referencing the white supremacy groups that were (and still are) rabid Trump supporters. But if you think that one comment from a losing candidate is equally divisive as all of Trump’s rhetoric (or perhaps created ALL of the divide in this country), that’s your opinion but it’s far fetched at best. She said half, not 1-2% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit's Luck Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Just now, 1972 said: and if you think that Trump created ALL the divide in this country, you are either living in a cave, to young to know different, or just nieve Never said that. He’s certainly a symptom of a bigger problem, but not the cause. And unfortunately, he has stoked the flames of division more than I ever thought an American president would do. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarnWinterSportsEngelstad Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Breaking News: Fair and Balanced - clicks. Grand Forks County is the COVID hot spot on the PLANET. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said: Never said that. He’s certainly a symptom of a bigger problem, but not the cause. And unfortunately, he has stoked the flames of division more than I ever thought an American president would do. Objective journalism is dead. People on both sides are absorbing their information from echo chambers based on pre-disposed beliefs, and it's contributing mightily to the problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said: Breaking News: Fair and Balanced - clicks. Grand Forks County is the COVID hot spot on the PLANET. Cue the Schloss Tweetstorm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 3 minutes ago, Shawn-O said: Objective journalism is dead. People on both sides are absorbing their information from echo chambers based on pre-disposed beliefs, and it's contributing mightily to the problem. Mike McFooly would like a couple minutes of your time. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit's Luck Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Shawn-O said: Objective journalism is dead. People on both sides are absorbing their information from echo chambers based on pre-disposed beliefs, and it's contributing mightily to the problem. That references nothing in my post, so why quote me? Trump is divisive. The most divisive politician I’ve ever heard speak. Even his coronavirus update was full of red/blue rhetoric. Glad he lost, that’s for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said: Never said that. He’s certainly a symptom of a bigger problem, but not the cause. And unfortunately, he has stoked the flames of division more than I ever thought an American president would do. i will agree with that....to a point. it still seemed as though a lot of people just belived every thing the media told them, and that if they didnt agree with what they were saying...they were the crazy ones. Trump let those people see that there was alot of other people feeling the same way as they did, and they could do something about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 Another, albeit minor but real, factor is immigration to this country. Politics in other places are far more vocal and (by American standards) nasty. That's what many are used to seeing in the political realm. Watch British PM Time sometime on PBS or wherever. There is some epic old school snark and 'dis' that goes on there. The US Senate will slap your wrist if you call another Senator by first name from the floor. Disclaimer: I'm fine as long as it stays words and not physical. Physical violence by any is unacceptable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 19 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said: I’m pretty sure she was referencing the white supremacy groups that were (and still are) rabid Trump supporters. But if you think that one comment from a losing candidate is equally divisive as all of Trump’s rhetoric (or perhaps created ALL of the divide in this country), that’s your opinion but it’s far fetched at best. All the divide? Are you serious? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn-O Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 7 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said: That references nothing in my post, so why quote me? Trump is divisive. The most divisive politician I’ve ever heard speak. Even his coronavirus update was full of red/blue rhetoric. Glad he lost, that’s for sure. Social media has contributed more to divisiveness in this country than Trump, McConnell, Pelosi, Schumer, or any other individual politician, just my opinion. Thank you for the lesson in message board etiquette, duly noted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: Another, albeit minor but real, factor is immigration to this country. Politics in other places are far more vocal and (by American standards) nasty. That's what many are used to seeing in the political realm. Watch British PM Time sometime on PBS or wherever. There is some epic old school snark and 'dis' that goes on there. The US Senate will slap your wrist if you call another Senator by first name from the floor. Disclaimer: I'm fine as long as it stays words and not physical. Physical violence by any is unacceptable. Make dueling great again pls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kermit's Luck Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 4 minutes ago, Wilbur said: All the divide? Are you serious? Read more slowly pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 6 minutes ago, Kermit's Luck said: Read more slowly pal. No, you taking my point to mean Hilary somehow caused all the divide was what I was talking about pal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 48 minutes ago, 1972 said: is it possible that people were/are tired of the road that the left has been leading us down, really unchecked by anyone in the media or in gov,for over a decade? do you think that it is possible people needed someone to stand up for them and give them a voice? most of the country( yes, MOST) does not like what the far left thinks or does, and are tired of media not taking them to task on it. the strategy of cops are bad, and you deserve to get everything free, and you should shut down any sort of speech or idea you dont like, has finally had people telling govt. "enough".... most people prefer law and order over chaos. and that is what trump has been saying. follow the laws of the land. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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