2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[Oxbow6]

West Fargo and Fargo to hold in-person graduations on original dates as planned. 

[Oxbow6]

8 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

I don’t know how deaths were reported then either but to say that covid deaths are being counted differently from flu deaths is another misnomer, yet this misinformation continues to be spread to push an agenda.

Dr. Birx definitely agrees with you on this matter......which is inflating the mortality rate by as much as 25%.

Now Fauci could careless as he feels anyone leaving their house prior to a vaccine is going to die anyways.

[Walsh Hall]

7 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

I don’t know how deaths were reported then either but to say that covid deaths are being counted differently from flu deaths is another misnomer, yet this misinformation continues to be spread to push an agenda.

 

Do you dispute that deaths are being counts as Covid, without a test, so long as there are any Covid symptoms, or even suspecting there were symptoms.  (Elderly person found deceased at home are counted).  That is not the case with the flu.

Of the deaths reported in ND, how many do you think we’re proximate our caused by Covid?

 

[NoiseInsideMyHead]

1 hour ago, Redneksioux said:

I was simply replying that information shared in the link was misleading. What’s you fascination with sharing misinformation?

Would you prefer we go back to your other favorite topic of “no scientific benefit of mask use”?

Which misinformation is that?  That we're human, that we're mortal, that we have fully functioning immune systems that have served us well for centuries, that this is not the first and (probably) not the last virus we'll encounter, that people will die, that until this virus had a name and a press agent 99.9% of the US population would have simply gone about living completely unaware, that lay people have no business trying to digest the type and quantity of information they're being force fed on a daily basis, that indefinite lockdown orders are unconstitutional, that civil defense propaganda from the Cold War was never intended to save lives but rather placate the masses, that one-size-fits-all approaches to public health are ludicrous, that haircuts can be achieved with minimal risk.

Please, point me to the "misinformation."

[Walsh Hall]

1 hour ago, Redneksioux said:

Would you prefer we go back to your other favorite topic of “no scientific benefit of mask use”?

https://t.co/J7oyWEdWPj
 

Article with counterpoint regarding masks, including scientific research indicating that masks have not should benefit in regard to the flu.

[Redneksioux]

17 minutes ago, Walsh Hall said:

Do you dispute that deaths are being counts as Covid, without a test, so long as there are any Covid symptoms, or even suspecting there were symptoms.  (Elderly person found deceased at home are counted).  That is not the case with the flu.

Of the deaths reported in ND, how many do you think we’re proximate our caused by Covid?

 

No. Can you say that every covid death has been identified? Can you also provide some details where deaths are currently being counted as covid without a test?

and for the ND stats an easy place to check is is the ND DOH site, they list the deaths from covid vs deaths with covid.

[GeauxSioux]

1 hour ago, Redneksioux said:

I was simply replying that information shared in the link was misleading. What’s you fascination with sharing misinformation?

 

Would you prefer we go back to your other favorite topic of “no scientific benefit of mask use”?

I prefer the 6’ apart for social distancing. A number that they pulled from their backsides. 

[Redneksioux]

1 minute ago, Walsh Hall said:

https://t.co/J7oyWEdWPj
 

Article with counterpoint regarding masks, including scientific research indicating that masks have not should benefit in regard to the flu.

Think the blaze has an agenda?

 

I’d trust this one a little more....

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7191274/#!po=1.19048

[Redneksioux]

5 minutes ago, GeauxSioux said:

I prefer the 6’ apart for social distancing. A number that they pulled from their backsides. 

Can’t argue that. Recent findings says it can stay in the air for 8 minutes after someone is speaking. 

[Bison Dan]

6 minutes ago, GeauxSioux said:

I prefer the 6’ apart for social distancing. A number that they pulled from their backsides. 

My favorite is 10 people in a group.

[GeauxSioux]

14 minutes ago, Redneksioux said:

Can’t argue that. Recent findings says it can stay in the air for 8 minutes after someone is speaking. 

Coronavirus droplets caused by talking remain in the air for 8-14 minutes, new study says

Man, if I am to listen to what all of the learned experts are telling me to do, I may as well just go sit in my house and prepare to die, because one way or another that virus is going to find me.

[yzerman19]

29 minutes ago, GeauxSioux said:

Coronavirus droplets caused by talking remain in the air for 8-14 minutes, new study says

Man, if I am to listen to what all of the learned experts are telling me to do, I may as well just go sit in my house and prepare to die, because one way or another that virus is going to find me.

The irony is it already has.  Unless you locked yourself in a New Zealand bunker, you have already Likely been exposed.  For whatever reason you were not infected- thank your immune system, especially your skin.  

[Siouxphan27]

47 minutes ago, Bison Dan said:

My favorite is 10 people in a group.

If they could just increase that group size by 1, football season would be a definite go this fall. 

[yzerman19]

37 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

If they could just increase that group size by 1, football season would be a definite go this fall. 

Well 10 on the field for baseball and basketball, 12 for hockey, 22 for football...

[yzerman19]

In other news as of this morning:

in hardest hit NY, 99.86% of people have not died of covid.

in CA 99.992% of people have not died of covid.

 

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, GeauxSioux said:

Coronavirus droplets caused by talking remain in the air for 8-14 minutes, new study says

Man, if I am to listen to what all of the learned experts are telling me to do, I may as well just go sit in my house and prepare to die, because one way or another that virus is going to find me.

I'm confused all the animosity towards scientists. Just because people don't like or agree with what they say doesn't make them anymore right or wrong. They present their findings and show their work. Are models and variables continuously changing, resulting in new data? Of course, that's literally how science works. Did the original projections have a huge band of outcomes? Of course, it's novel virus that no one knew much about. But of course the media immediately reports the worst case scenario instead of actual ranges, because it gets clicks. 

Anyone who thinks Fauci had some axe to grind is not paying attention to what he's actually saying. He's repeatedly stated that he has no opinion on policy or on economic decisions, he is simply relaying his findings the exact same as he has for almost 40 years and through multiple viruses. Him stating what he believes might happen is not him pushing an agenda, it's doing his job. It's up to the elected officials to make the decisions.

[Oxbow6]

Colorado just amended its COVID deaths from over a 1000 down to 878.

[SWSiouxMN]

Read that France might have had this floating around in Mid-November, two months before their first confirmed case. 

They already were studying a few possible cases from December. 

 

[dynato]

What I am curious about is the absence of congressmen in the media besides for stimulus packages. Not that I miss that haha.

It has been reported they get tested twice a week. So far, only one senator and seven representatives have tested positive. Two dozen have self-quarantined. 

https://www.govtrack.us/covid-19

 

[UND1983]

41 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

I'm confused all the animosity towards scientists. Just because people don't like or agree with what they say doesn't make them anymore right or wrong. They present their findings and show their work. Are models and variables continuously changing, resulting in new data? Of course, that's literally how science works. Did the original projections have a huge band of outcomes? Of course, it's novel virus that no one knew much about. But of course the media immediately reports the worst case scenario instead of actual ranges, because it gets clicks. 

Anyone who thinks Fauci had some axe to grind is not paying attention to what he's actually saying. He's repeatedly stated that he has no opinion on policy or on economic decisions, he is simply relaying his findings the exact same as he has for almost 40 years and through multiple viruses. Him stating what he believes might happen is not him pushing an agenda, it's doing his job. It's up to the elected officials to make the decisions.

Because we made policy and destroyed people's lives temporarily based on their "findings".  Their findings are constantly changing and they are not held accountable for anything they have found that didn't turn out to mean anything, but was used as a reason to take an action.  

If we hadn't done anything drastic then whatever, another piece of the puzzle.  But their "findings", however political they may be, have created fear porn for everyone, which led to a sheep mentality where if one group shuts down now we have to because we might look bad.  

The word LIABILITY comes to mind lately.  

[dynato]

19 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

I'm confused all the animosity towards scientists. Just because people don't like or agree with what they say doesn't make them anymore right or wrong. They present their findings and show their work. Are models and variables continuously changing, resulting in new data? Of course, that's literally how science works. Did the original projections have a huge band of outcomes? Of course, it's novel virus that no one knew much about. But of course the media immediately reports the worst case scenario instead of actual ranges, because it gets clicks. 

Anyone who thinks Fauci had some axe to grind is not paying attention to what he's actually saying. He's repeatedly stated that he has no opinion on policy or on economic decisions, he is simply relaying his findings the exact same as he has for almost 40 years and through multiple viruses. Him stating what he believes might happen is not him pushing an agenda, it's doing his job. It's up to the elected officials to make the decisions.

It is the Dunning-Kruger graph. People have a tendency to think they know more about a subject than thousands of scientists who have spent decades learning a subject matter. They equate their own personal hunches as superior to billion dollar funded government agencies like the CDC. 

Fauci has been the nations leading expert on infectious disease for six presidencies. He was awarded the medal of freedom by Bush, the highest non-military civil award achievable in the USA.

[Siouxphan27]

42 minutes ago, yzerman19 said:

Well 10 on the field for baseball and basketball, 12 for hockey, 22 for football...

I was thinking more of the close groups of 10 being allowed now, so I was thinking about the huddle.  
from what I understand now, 10 people huddling together in a bar is just fine, but nine kids spread out to play defense on a baseball field is an in sanely infectious situation waiting to happen. 

[UND1983]

1 minute ago, dynato said:

It is the Dunning-Kruger graph. People have a tendency to think they know more about a subject than thousands of scientists who have spent decades learning a subject matter. They equate their own personal hunches as superior to billion dollar funded government agencies like the CDC. 

Fauci has been the nations leading expert on infectious disease for six presidencies. He was awarded the medal of freedom by Bush, the highest non-military civil award achievable in the USA.

It has nothing to do with that and you know it.  It has to do with us, as a country, then reacting to their ever changing "findings" by burning it down to a low we haven't seen in 75+ years.  The real ramifications of our overreaction won't be seen for a few years.  

[jdub27]

6 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Because we made policy and destroyed people's lives temporarily based on their "findings".  Their findings are constantly changing and they are not held accountable accountable for anything they have found that didn't turn out to mean anything, but was used as a reason to take an action.  

If we hadn't done anything drastic then whatever, another piece of the puzzle.  But their "findings", however political they may be, have created fear porn for everyone, which led to a sheep mentality where if one group shuts down now we have to because we might look bad.  

The word LIABILITY comes to mind lately.  

Again, they are doing their job. It's how science works, continue to update what you know with new information to make the models more accurate. This was a novel virus, minimal things were known about it which is why the models had such huge range. Fauci openly admitted to Congress he doesn't know everything about the virus and he won't make predictions, just lay out what the models show. Blame the media for grabbing onto the biggest numbers and pushing that agenda. Blame those making policy decisions for not understanding the numbers and/or risk. Fauci has zero agenda or narrative to push. He presents the facts as he sees them, which is not policy making. That is up to the elected officials. He's been doing it for almost 40 years under Democrat (2x) and Republican (4x) presidents. He didn't decide to get political at the age of 79 just for fun. 

[dynato]

1 minute ago, UND1983 said:

Because we made policy and destroyed people's lives temporarily based on their "findings".  Their findings are constantly changing and they are not held accountable accountable for anything they have found that didn't turn out to mean anything, but was used as a reason to take an action.  

If we hadn't done anything drastic then whatever, another piece of the puzzle.  But their "findings", however political they may be, have created fear porn for everyone, which led to a sheep mentality where if one group shuts down now we have to because we might look bad.  

The word LIABILITY comes to mind lately.  

6 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

It has nothing to do with that and you know it.  It has to do with us, as a country, then reacting to their ever changing "findings" by burning it down to a low we haven't seen in 75+ years.  The real ramifications of our overreaction won't be seen for a few years.  

Media is creating the divide and blurring the facts. They created the mindset that this is both doomsday and a hoax. They need to make money and have nothing else to report on just as some of the public has nothing else to do besides blindly consume what the media says. If you don't like it, stop blindly consuming the media. Most people are in the middle and can agree on one thing: this sucks.

As you said, this will temporarily set people back, the only thing permanent are hose who are dead. Humans are resilient, they will adapt to change, they will find another job if they have to, they will survive. Those who are dead will stay dead.

Liability is 100% on politicians, governors, and the federal government for the policies they implement. They make decisions based on the best known available data at the time. They have tens of billions of dollars in resources afforded to them for situations like this. One thing is clear to me, pre-defined actions taken sooner would have exponentially decreased the impact of this on our country. Again, if you do not like the actions taken by your governor, lobby them or vote them out of office.  They are the ones making the changes you despise, not the media, not scientists. 
https://www.governor.nd.gov/contact
https://mn.gov/governor/contact/