Siouxphan27 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Redneksioux said: Not gonna argue with this. Smithfield's Sioux Falls plant being shut down indefinitely sure isn't going to help the situation. If they would have acknowledged and addressed what changes had to be made in their plants months or even weeks ago they'd still probably be operating at some level in SD. Instead we still have people arguing that we aren't New York or Chicago. Well it's getting too late for that argument. How do you know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said: How do you know this? Well, he may not be a processing plant expert, but he did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night. “Trust the science” or something like that, right? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southpaw Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said: How do you know this? They said probably. I know this is difficult, fourth grade stuff, but here's pretty, moving pictures to explain: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/ping-pong-ball-video-social-distancing-coronavirus-mouse-traps-psa-covid-19-a9461746.html?jwsource=cl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneksioux Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, Siouxphan27 said: How do you know this? I've read a few articles but I think most here would call it fake news so won't even post any links. They may say they made attempts, well they didn't try hard enough. The infected count speaks for itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 16 minutes ago, southpaw said: Thankfully, the virus also doesn't transmit from the under 44 to the over 44. Remember folks, it's better to have coronavirus than the flu says our medical expert. How many hospital beds do the under 44 need and take from the over 44? How many systems get overwhelmed because the olds have to die to keep the economy going. Yup....."the surge"! The financial ruin of healthcare systems in this country will dwarf those that are "overwhelmed" but you keep parroting that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 26 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said: How do you know this? Why all those accurate models the experts have been touting of course! Only 450,000 more deaths to go before we hit the "conservative amount" predicted. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxphan27 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, southpaw said: They said probably. I know this is difficult, fourth grade stuff, but here's pretty, moving pictures to explain: https://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/ping-pong-ball-video-social-distancing-coronavirus-mouse-traps-psa-covid-19-a9461746.html?jwsource=cl If only running a meat processing plant was as easy as playing with ping pong balls... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsh Hall Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 55 minutes ago, Redneksioux said: I admittedly have no experience operating a meat packing plant either. With that said common sense says working shoulder to shoulder in a food plant without proper PPE is a no no. And forcing employees to come in to work when they are ill is also not good. Hopefully when and if they re-open they'll have a more responsible operating plan in place. Based on your first statement you should have enough common sense to not write the second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dlsiouxfan Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, Walsh Hall said: It's wonderful that we have a processing plant expert in our midst that can educate us on the proper meat packing sanitation methods which can be utilized when dealing with pandemics, including the supply chain and health ramifications... I, admittedly, have no real clue on how to properly run a meat processing plant, and what steps can reasonable be taken to safeguard the employees. I'd be completely leaving my lane to question the day-to-day operations of such an operation. It's wonderful that you are an expert and can educate us... or just maybe you have absolutely no clue on how to operate a meat processing plant and you are pulling stuff out of your butt. Oh come one now..... we have numerous posters posting about epidemiology and statistics, that are clearly pulling stuff out their ass (ie. Oxbow, UND1983, etc.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redneksioux Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, Walsh Hall said: Based on your first statement you should have enough common sense to not write the second. Since I have no experience running a meat packing plant I should feel comfortable with shoulder to shoulder working conditions and an employer encouraging people to come to work sick which caused over 600 infections during the covid pandemic? You do realize that this business's decisions have affected everyone in our region, so each and every one of us has a right to be concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 3 minutes ago, dlsiouxfan said: Oh come one now..... we have numerous posters posting about epidemiology and statistics, that are clearly pulling stuff out their ass (ie. Oxbow, UND1983, etc.) Says the one who claimed a week or so ago that COVID has killed more than any war in history. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 5 minutes ago, dlsiouxfan said: Oh come one now..... we have numerous posters posting about epidemiology and statistics, that are clearly pulling stuff out their ass (ie. Oxbow, UND1983, etc.) What did I write that is incorrect or completely off base? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 It's almost as if someone decided to switch how coronavirus deaths were counted all of a sudden... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Can no longer trust the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 2 minutes ago, UND1983 said: What did I write that is incorrect or completely off base? That dlsiouxfan has a PhD in World History? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dynato Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, Cratter said: Can no longer trust the numbers. To be fair, you never trusted the numbers to begin with, despite input from medical professionals in this forum and validation from our president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, dynato said: To be fair, you never trusted the numbers to begin with. Um ok. If you say so. Only numbers I didn't trust were doomsday predictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxphan27 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 6 minutes ago, Cratter said: It's almost as if someone decided to switch how coronavirus deaths were counted all of a sudden... It's almost as if the U.S. epicenter of the virus decided to call all deaths corona related, regardless of any evidence... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 hour ago, MafiaMan said: Right on. According to the model, there are probably...(checks notes)...490,000 unreported cases, right? Could be millions. Who knows how big the denominator is. Who knows how many of us already had it and didn’t notice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzerman19 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Deaths are a lagging indicator...kinda pointless stat for purposes of managing this. New cases and new hospitalizations would be leading indicators as to how this is going. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxphan27 Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 4 minutes ago, dynato said: To be fair, you never trusted the numbers to begin with, despite input from medical professionals in this forum and validation from our president. Not to speak for him, but if I recall Cratter never believed the doomsday death projections. It's looking like he was correct. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsh Hall Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 10 minutes ago, dlsiouxfan said: Oh come one now..... we have numerous posters posting about epidemiology and statistics, that are clearly pulling stuff out their ass (ie. Oxbow, UND1983, etc.) There is a legitimate debate as to the best way to mitigate the cumulative damage of COVID, everywhere from shutting everything down indefinitely, to doing absolutely nothing. That can be respectfully debated and the arguments can be supported by statistics. That's much different than bloviating about safety at a job you nothing about (I know not you personally...), when you don't know what happened, and just think that your "common sense" is smarter than people with actual knowledge. The "common sense" may very well not be possible and may cause far great danger to the employees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, geaux_sioux said: Could be millions. Who knows how big the denominator is. Who knows how many of us already had it and didn’t notice. Why stop there? Could be BILLIONS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 1 minute ago, yzerman19 said: Deaths are a lagging indicator...kinda pointless stat for purposes of managing this. New cases and new hospitalizations would be leading indicators as to how this is going. 12 day rag in China. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted April 16, 2020 Share Posted April 16, 2020 Just now, MafiaMan said: Why stop there? Could be BILLIONS! It could be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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