Siouxperfan7 Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 It does come off to pandering to the #siouxforever crowd to keep the Sioux part of tthe old scoreboard and put it on the new scoreboard. There is plenty of Sioux logo's in the arena so it's not like it is completely out of place. The bigger concern of mine is not that the REA is continuing to display the Sioux logo. It's the REA's reluctance to display the Fighting Hawks logo. Yes, I see that it's on the scoreboard and that's great. But besides on the video boards, where else can you see the new logo? I am all for honoring the our past and the Fighting Sioux name and logo. But that must be balanced with moving forward with our new name and logo of the Fighting Hawks. Both can exist in the world of UND athletics. Time for the REA to realize that. 3 Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 17 minutes ago, jdub27 said: No one said it isn't part of the history, which is why there are banners in the rafters showing the logo (though there should technically be no green banners with the Brien logo, but that's a separate argument). However, I fail to see how having to build a custom structure for a multi-million dollar scoreboard to incorporate something unnecessary can be "important to continue the transition". In fact, seems counter-intuitive as it continues to give people false hope and a reason to hold on to something that is gone and not coming back. They went out of their way to keep it. The other hundreds of logos already displayed in the main arena aren't good enough? Keeping something would be on the side of holding true to the history while adding the new logo and name, like they did throughout the scoreboard, is what would help the tradition. Getting rid of it would have ticked a lot of. Just one man's opinion. I think this scoreboard shows a lot of Hawk logo. Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 3 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said: It does come off to pandering to the #siouxforever crowd to keep the Sioux part of tthe old scoreboard and put it on the new scoreboard. There is plenty of Sioux logo's in the arena so it's not like it is completely out of place. The bigger concern of mine is not that the REA is continuing to display the Sioux logo. It's the REA's reluctance to display the Fighting Hawks logo. Yes, I see that it's on the scoreboard and that's great. But besides on the video boards, where else can you see the new logo? I am all for honoring the our past and the Fighting Sioux name and logo. But that must be balanced with moving forward with our new name and logo of the Fighting Hawks. Both can exist in the world of UND athletics. Time for the REA to realize that. It's literally going to be shown at ALL TIMES during the game, by the score, which is the most important part. C'mon. Quote
jdub27 Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: I think this scoreboard shows a lot of Hawk logo. The video board will show the Hawk logo when a game is in progress, which they don't really have a choice because that is literally the only logo UND currently has. They went out of their way to have the structure custom built in order to permanently build in an unnecessary old logo. I guess I see a huge difference in the two, but let me know when the REA puts it's first permanent or even semi-permanent Hawks logo in place. Hell, even on the ice would be a start. It is not all that different from when they did some renovations in the lower portion a few years ago and spent extra time/money to work around some existing FS logos because they couldn't replace them if they were taken out. I'm speaking as someone who has dozens of FS logo's throughout my house. It isn't that they are being displayed/honored/recognized, it is that they are straight up pandering to a group who refuses to accept the reality that UND has a new name and logo. Things like this continue to give that thought process validation. 3 Quote
Popular Post UND-MH-Fan Posted June 27, 2019 Popular Post Posted June 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: Keeping something would be on the side of holding true to the history while adding the new logo and name, like they did throughout the scoreboard, is what would help the tradition. Getting rid of it would have ticked a lot of. Just one man's opinion. I think this scoreboard shows a lot of Hawk logo. This spot on. I think the REA realizes that the bulk of alumni/donors that have had time to work hard and donate their hard earned money are the Fighting Sioux crowd. The Hawks logo is still in its infancy and doesn’t have a lot alumni that has only known the Hawks logo. Give it time and it will slowly shift. I don’t think we should ever rid the REA of the Fighting Sioux logo as it is an important part of our history. Plus it’s just fun to hear about all the people that get so butt hurt about seeing it. 6 Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 15 minutes ago, jdub27 said: The video board will show the Hawk logo when a game is in progress, which they don't really have a choice because that is literally the only logo UND currently has. They went out of their way to have the structure custom built in order to permanently build in an unnecessary old logo. I guess I see a huge difference in the two, but let me know when the REA puts it's first permanent or even semi-permanent Hawks logo in place. Hell, even on the ice would be a start. It is not all that different from when they did some renovations in the lower portion a few years ago and spent extra time/money to work around some existing FS logos because they couldn't replace them if they were taken out. I'm speaking as someone who has dozens of FS logo's throughout my house. It isn't that they are being displayed/honored/recognized, it is that they are straight up pandering to a group who refuses to accept the reality that UND has a new name and logo. Things like this continue to give that thought process validation. I don't think it's pandering whatsoever. They (REA) just don't want to do it. Simple as that. 1 Quote
geaux_sioux Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 Replace all the granite floor logos with giant granite Hawk logos. 1 2 Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 11 minutes ago, UND-MH-Fan said: This spot on. I think the REA realizes that the bulk of alumni/donors that have had time to work hard and donate their hard earned money are the Fighting Sioux crowd. The Hawks logo is still in its infancy and doesn’t have a lot alumni that has only known the Hawks logo. Give it time and it will slowly shift. I don’t think we should ever rid the REA of the Fighting Sioux logo as it is an important part of our history. Plus it’s just fun to hear about all the people that get so butt hurt about seeing it. I agree with this 100%. I understand the Hawks crowd (this seems like I'm anti-Hawk, which I'm not) has adopted the "get over it", mantra. That way of thinking doesn't seem logical, to me. I've said from the beginning that I believe the logo will take time to fully become accepted. I see this scoreboard change as another step. Quote
geaux_sioux Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 2 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: I agree with this 100%. I understand the Hawks crowd (this seems like I'm anti-Hawk, which I'm not) has adopted the "get over it", mantra. That way of thinking doesn't seem logical, to me. I've said from the beginning that I believe the logo will take time to fully become accepted. I see this scoreboard change as another step. It not so much the not moving on, it’s the childish way a ton of people are acting about the entire situation. 1 2 Quote
tnt Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: I agree with this 100%. I understand the Hawks crowd (this seems like I'm anti-Hawk, which I'm not) has adopted the "get over it", mantra. That way of thinking doesn't seem logical, to me. I've said from the beginning that I believe the logo will take time to fully become accepted. I see this scoreboard change as another step. They need to "get over it", as finding a reason to whine over a spectacular new scoreboard seems petty. 1 2 Quote
ChrisUND1 Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 9 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: Replace all the granite floor logos with giant granite Hawk logos. This one made me laugh out loud. Quote
Popular Post jdub27 Posted June 27, 2019 Popular Post Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, UND-MH-Fan said: This spot on. I think the REA realizes that the bulk of alumni/donors that have had time to work hard and donate their hard earned money are the Fighting Sioux crowd. Serious question: Are those people who "had time to work hard and donate" going to give up their support of the hockey team because the logo changed? I mean, are they supporters of the team (and University) or the fancy picture on their jerseys? I would counter and say the bulk of alumni and donors are University of North Dakota fans. If what you said was true, there would have been a significant drop-off in donations when the FS nickname/logo was dropped and an even further drop when the FH nickname/logo was adopted. Yet donations continue to rise. There is just a vocal portion of the fanbase that seems to hold the FS logo as some sort of deity. 1 hour ago, stoneySIOUX said: I don't think it's pandering whatsoever. They (REA) just don't want to do it. Simple as that. I mean, it is literally the definition of pandering. They are consciously making decisions to minimize the FH name/logo and keep the FS logo to cater to a subset of the fanbase. They definitely aren't doing it on behalf of the Athletic Department, you know, the thing that is the sole entity that the REA's mission statement says it is supposed to support. 1 hour ago, UND-MH-Fan said: Plus it’s just fun to hear about all the people that get so butt hurt about seeing it. You should watch from the other side sometime. You get to see a large group of people live in an alternate reality, supporting something that no longer actually exists and getting incredibly worked up when that is pointed out to them. 1 4 Quote
ChrisUND1 Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 New scoreboard is stunning, obviously. Like I said from day one, retrofitting a masterpiece like that with part of the old scoreboard, just so we can have the sioux logo ("the precious") underneath it, can be described by many adjectives that I won't rehash. As the months roll by, and this same crap keeps happening, I find myself moving farther and farther away from UND hockey, and closer and closer to UND football, basketball, and volleyball. The UND volleyball photo shoot the other day is a great example of these other programs moving on, while the hockey program/sioux forever folks keep clinging to the past. (please, no sexist remarks about the photo, that wasn't my intent when I posted it) 4 Quote
iluvdebbies Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 The people that won't move on vs the people that won't move on from them, is my favorite soap opera. 2 2 Quote
tnt Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 1 minute ago, iluvdebbies said: The people that won't move on vs the people that won't on from them, is my favorite soap opera. Yes, apparently the moderators too! 1 Quote
geaux_sioux Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 5 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said: The people that won't move on vs the people that won't move on from them, is my favorite soap opera. You can’t exactly move on from the Sioux zealots because they are so obnoxious and have a hair trigger. Quote
Popular Post iluvdebbies Posted June 27, 2019 Popular Post Posted June 27, 2019 20 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: You can’t exactly move on from the Sioux zealots because they are so obnoxious and have a hair trigger. Stop picking at the scab would be a good start. 1 4 Quote
Cratter Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 43 minutes ago, tnt said: They need to "get over it", as finding a reason to whine over a spectacular new scoreboard seems petty. Almost childish... Quote
Siouxperfan7 Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 1 hour ago, stoneySIOUX said: It's literally going to be shown at ALL TIMES during the game, by the score, which is the most important part. C'mon. 1 logo on each side of the scoreboard next to the score (4 total Fighting Hawk logos)......2500 Sioux logos. Narrowing the gap!! #progress 1 Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 40 minutes ago, iluvdebbies said: The people that won't move on vs the people that won't move on from them, is my favorite soap opera. HAHAHA THIS ^^^^ FTW! Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 How about that scoreboard, though? Pretty nice, huh? PRETTY. NICE. Quote
Popular Post franchise Posted June 27, 2019 Popular Post Posted June 27, 2019 Is the REA under any obligation to start putting up the Hawks logo? It doesn't seem that difficult to understand that REA wouldn't even exist, if it weren't for RE. It's not surprising that they aren't in a rush to wipe out a logo that was loved and supported by the man responsible for the whole arena in the first place. 5 Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 34 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said: 1 logo on each side of the scoreboard next to the score (4 total Fighting Hawk logos)......2500 Sioux logos. Narrowing the gap!! #progress How many Sioux logos are directly next to the score? Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted June 27, 2019 Posted June 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, franchise said: Is the REA under any obligation to start putting up the Hawks logo? It doesn't seem that difficult to understand that REA wouldn't even exist, if it weren't for RE. It's not surprising that they aren't in a rush to wipe out a logo that was loved and supported by the man responsible for the whole arena in the first place. Is the REA under any obligation to benefit UND as a whole? According to the founding documents of REA, Inc., yes they are. 2 Quote
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