Who would UND hire?

[Hawkster]

If you think Bill Chaves giving Bubba an extension was crazy, Jerry Jones is considering giving Mike McCarthy a new contract in Dallas.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cowboys-mike-mccarthy-getting-a-contract-extension-i-dont-think-thats-crazy-at-all-says-jerry-jones-155512194.html

[Nodak78]

17 hours ago, iramurphy said:

Fans frustrations can change shift to shift, period to period and game to game. Our facilities are as good as it gets but no longer the advantage we had 20yrs ago.
I’m not so sure we won’t be pretty tough by playoffs. Let’s get everyone back before giving up. They’ve shown flashes of promise especially game 1 against BU. As usual, goaltending must improve and be consistent. However, Just my gut feeling. More than other sports, I dont think the best team always wins. 
 

FB is different. There are a million obstacles to overcome to fix this now.  We can’t afford another season like this and I fear portal losses and decommitments are threatening to put us further behind. 


 

I believe the portal will be brutal.

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, Hawkster said:

If you think Bill Chaves giving Bubba an extension was crazy, Jerry Jones is considering giving Mike McCarthy a new contract in Dallas.

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/cowboys-mike-mccarthy-getting-a-contract-extension-i-dont-think-thats-crazy-at-all-says-jerry-jones-155512194.html

I think Jerry Jones is losing his mind. The younger Jones would have sent McCarthy packing after last season's playoff flameout. This Jerry Jones has convinced himself that the Cowboys are on the cusp of winning the Super Bowl and just need a few more pieces. Not that I am complaining or anything. 

[tnt]

The nice thing for Bubba is that he can now nap the whole offseason, because there is no reason for him to put in any more effort recruiting.   If you are lazy in team meetings, you are lazy on the recruiting trail too.  It shows by the lack of difference makers he has recruited, even with the improved facilities.   

[UND-FB-FAN]

Bubba Schweigert and UND football being mentioned in similar circumstances as Jerry Jones and the current Dallas Cowboys tells you all you need to know about the current state of UND football …

I will say, though, it’s a fair comparison in some aspects. 

[ibleedgreen]

After watching his last press conference. There is definitely a disconnect with Bubba and his recruits and fans. This whole time he was thinking that everyone's expectations is to make the playoffs. That explains everything! His expectations are lower than the fans and more importantly his football players. As far as hockey and football....everyone's expectations should be to win championships. If not....what the hell are we doing here.

I did like the part where he stated that everyone's position/job would be open and that they should compete for the starting position.....does that include his job? 

[F'n Hawks]

Just now, ibleedgreen said:

After watching his last press conference. There is definitely a disconnect with Bubba and his recruits and fans. This whole time he was thinking that everyone's expectations is to make the playoffs. That explains everything! His expectations are lower than the fans and more importantly his football players. As far as hockey and football....everyone's expectations should be to win championships. If not....what the hell are we doing here.

 

I’m so sick of hearing the talking point of making the playoffs 4 out of the last 6 years and 4 out of the last 5 before this year. How much does that mean in FCS football if you are losing in the first round? 

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, ibleedgreen said:

After watching his last press conference. There is definitely a disconnect with Bubba and his recruits and fans. This whole time he was thinking that everyone's expectations is to make the playoffs. That explains everything! His expectations are lower than the fans and more importantly his football players. As far as hockey and football....everyone's expectations should be to win championships. If not....what the hell are we doing here.

I did like the part where he stated that everyone's position/job would be open and that they should compete for the starting position.....does that include his job? 

His comments in the last presser were disappointing for the reasons you mentioned. However there are plenty of previous examples of him stating the goal is to compete for a MVFC title which puts you in the hunt for a NC. Definitely aren't there right now.
Assuming he was speaking directly to the disappoint of the collapse this year and missing the playoffs, however If his mindset on that has actually changed, that would actually be a significant discussion to be had with the AD/President.

[iramurphy]

7 hours ago, Irish said:

In my opinion this is partially true - In my opinion the GOBC is not an organized entity with meetings etc. - more of a loose group of Bubba's and his brother's contemporaries and family - many older athletes who played with his brother and some older businessmen who were big Sioux boosters pushed for his hire and whose opinion at the time had influence with the Athletic Department.  I was personally lobbied a couple of times by some I knew whose pitch was "he bleeds Sioux Green".  How he keeps his job is a mystery known only the Chaves - whose tenure is a disaster.  Not naming names as what they did was their right to do and totally within bounds and was nothing sinister.   However the results speak for themselves and it looks like they are very reluctant to call for his firing. 

I think your summary regarding the initial hiring is spot on. I’m not sure about the “many” older guys but I wouldn’t know. I was never lobbied nor asked my opinion.  It ls pretty normal for people to lobby for the hiring of a friend or family member.

For whatever reason Bubba was extended. I think that surprised a lot of people but at this time it is what it is. I can’t speak for others but although his supporters may not be demanding he be fired, quite a few wish he would step down. If it wouldn’t cost so much, I think more people would be more vocal. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

50 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

I think your summary regarding the initial hiring is spot on. I’m not sure about the “many” older guys but I wouldn’t know. I was never lobbied nor asked my opinion.  It ls pretty normal for people to lobby for the hiring of a friend or family member.

For whatever reason Bubba was extended. I think that surprised a lot of people but at this time it is what it is. I can’t speak for others but although his supporters may not be demanding he be fired, quite a few wish he would step down. If it wouldn’t cost so much, I think more people would be more vocal. 

It costs a lot to remove him as head coach because of an incredibly questionable and suspect extension, which hasn’t been explained. There are corruption and/or lack of accountability concerns still present, undoubtedly, based on this extension and also now with there being no removal of the head coach (despite a 5-7 season, 5-game losing streak, and only 1 playoff victory over 11 seasons).
 

The extension was completely unwarranted and it raises signifiant questions. Being afraid to ask such questions is a poor quality, in my opinion, regardless of previous track record. 

[Shawn-O]

If hockey and hoops don’t go well the next four months I think Uncle Andy has to make a move with the AD position.  

[gfhockey]

First red flag was Bubba said this is his dream job. You and D should not be a dream Job. It should be a stepping stone.

[UND Football Fan]

29 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

First red flag was Bubba said this is his dream job. You and D should not be a dream Job. It should be a stepping stone.

Or this is my dream job and my goal is to win a national title in 5 years. Or what ever the contract length was. (John McKay of the Bucs had a five year playoff plan because his contract was five years)

[iramurphy]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

It costs a lot to remove him as head coach because of an incredibly questionable and suspect extension, which hasn’t been explained. There are corruption and/or lack of accountability concerns still present, undoubtedly, based on this extension and also now with there being no removal of the head coach (despite a 5-7 season, 5-game losing streak, and only 1 playoff victory over 11 seasons).
 

The extension was completely unwarranted and it raises signifiant questions. Being afraid to ask such questions is a poor quality, in my opinion, regardless of previous track record. 

You are correct in that it would cost a lot to buy out the contract. I would agree the extension was unwarranted. I believe the majority of folks on this forum agree. Everyone knows about the  FB team’s struggles. (I think you have made your opinion clear multiple times over multiple years by what you repeatedly post). 

Where did you get the idea people are afraid to ask questions?  
You lose credibility when you repeat your unfounded accusations of corruption.  If there is corruption don’t you have an obligation to expose it so it can be fixed?  Extending a coaches contract may prove to be a mistake but it isn’t corrupt. (This is exactly the kind of accusations that hurt DeBoer’s chance to be hired as the head coach years ago).  
 

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

45 minutes ago, iramurphy said:

You are correct in that it would cost a lot to buy out the contract. I would agree the extension was unwarranted. I believe the majority of folks on this forum agree. Everyone knows about the  FB team’s struggles. (I think you have made your opinion clear multiple times over multiple years by what you repeatedly post). 

Where did you get the idea people are afraid to ask questions?  
You lose credibility when you repeat your unfounded accusations of corruption.  If there is corruption don’t you have an obligation to expose it so it can be fixed?  Extending a coaches contract may prove to be a mistake but it isn’t corrupt. (This is exactly the kind of accusations that hurt DeBoer’s chance to be hired as the head coach years ago).  
 

 

My complaints of corruption have been nonspecific and don’t harm anything, but they do shed light on the major deficiencies within UND athletics. More to be determined I suppose …

[jdub27]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

My complaints of corruption have been nonspecific and don’t harm anything, but they do shed light on the major deficiencies within UND athletics. More to be determined I suppose …

I mean, if there is true corruption and you aren't shedding light on it, doesn't that makes you complicit by letting it continue?

If it is actually accurate and as serious as you keep alluding to, myself and/or many others would be standing in line with you to take it to the President, legislature or SBoHE.

Otherwise, the vague claims are borderline libel and do nothing other than come off as an attempt to stir the pot.

My offer stands. 

[fightingsioux4life]

I'm not buying into the conspiracy stuff.

I think the simplest explanation is the best explanation.

It is simply easier for Chaves to keep extending the same coaches than facing the prospect of having to search for a replacement.

It is also cheaper to keep extending a coach with a slightly above average winning percentage than hiring a younger coach with bigger upside and higher earning potential.

This all goes back to my contention that UND's Division 2 era funding model is simply inadequate and incapable of providing the necessary resources to build a successful Division 1 athletic program.

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I'm not buying into the conspiracy stuff.

I think the simplest explanation is the best explanation.

It is simply easier for Chaves to keep extending the same coaches than facing the prospect of having to search for a replacement.

It is also cheaper to keep extending a coach with a slightly above average winning percentage than hiring a younger coach with bigger upside and higher earning potential.

This all goes back to my contention that UND's Division 2 era funding model is simply inadequate and incapable of providing the necessary resources to build a successful Division 1 athletic program.

All fair points, and likely true in its entirety. I’ve said this ad nauseam, but the objectives and goals (expectations) of the athletic department are so critically important. Schweigert is still head coach largely because expectations are so incredibly mediocre; not to mention I just listened to a podcast today where Chaves said they want UND football to be a top 16-24 seed team every year, with no mention of championship expectations (conference or playoffs). I think that is ridiculously low in terms of expectations, considering the FCS field as a whole and where UND fits into that budget-wise, facilities-wise, and conference-wise. The only constant deficit has been coaching …

[The Sicatoka]

At risk of repeating myself ... 

On 11/26/2024 at 7:11 AM, The Sicatoka said:

Accusations without evidence are not useful. If you're going to make a claim, back it up with something. 

 

[The Sicatoka]

With the third largest MVFC FB spending, a slot in the quarters every other season seems like a hard target (mandatory minimum?). 

Source: https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/e9912f90 

[90siouxfan]

10 hours ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I'm not buying into the conspiracy stuff.

I think the simplest explanation is the best explanation.

It is simply easier for Chaves to keep extending the same coaches than facing the prospect of having to search for a replacement.

It is also cheaper to keep extending a coach with a slightly above average winning percentage than hiring a younger coach with bigger upside and higher earning potential.

This all goes back to my contention that UND's Division 2 era funding model is simply inadequate and incapable of providing the necessary resources to build a successful Division 1 athletic program.

good points, can you expand on the red portion, I thought earlier in the thread or in another thread it is shown that UND is near the top of spending in MVFC programs. 

[Siouxperman8]

9 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

All fair points, and likely true in its entirety. I’ve said this ad nauseam, but the objectives and goals (expectations) of the athletic department are so critically important. Schweigert is still head coach largely because expectations are so incredibly mediocre; not to mention I just listened to a podcast today where Chaves said they want UND football to be a top 16-24 seed team every year, with no mention of championship expectations (conference or playoffs). I think that is ridiculously low in terms of expectations, considering the FCS field as a whole and where UND fits into that budget-wise, facilities-wise, and conference-wise. The only constant deficit has been coaching …

Bolded part very true.  

[Goon]

Meanwhile, so it begins. 

 

[Parkers Pros]

Too bad. Good guy. I’m sure he wants to play. Lots of talent around him. Olson will be bringing in his guys now too so if the writing is on the wall, may as well pull stakes and get started!  Good luck to him!

[FSSD]

On 11/27/2024 at 8:05 AM, The Sicatoka said:

With the third largest MVFC FB spending, a slot in the quarters every other season seems like a hard target (mandatory minimum?). 

Source: https://knightnewhousedata.org/reports/e9912f90 

Just an FYI, SDSU numbers include stadium capital costs.