Popular Post Feff Posted July 27, 2018 Popular Post Posted July 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, gundy1124 said: I was told Keaton would have been All American if we did hurry up, check with him, screens with lots of play action and dink n dunk passing game with TEs. Not fibbing, very good source had that opinion. We did none of that, didn't play to the strengths of the most important offensive person on the field. Some of Keaton's best games and best moments came when we were down and utilizing a catch-up, hurry-up kind of offense. I remember one game 2 years ago I think it was, that he put the team on his back and carried the offense because most of the time they were hurrying up and he was controlling much of the playcalling at the line. Was he the best passer? No. But I think he was another example of the offense just not playing to a strength. 1 4 Quote
Sioux94 Posted July 27, 2018 Posted July 27, 2018 5 minutes ago, Feff said: Some of Keaton's best games and best moments came when we were down and utilizing a catch-up, hurry-up kind of offense. I remember one game 2 years ago I think it was, that he put the team on his back and carried the offense because most of the time they were hurrying up and he was controlling much of the playcalling at the line. Was he the best passer? No. But I think he was another example of the offense just not playing to a strength. NAU game probably right? Yes think that was the game he put the offense on his shoulders and carried them, and I think he might have even gotten a little dinged up at one point but stayed in. It's amazing what happens if you just try it. Not that we need or want that type of offense all game long, but for cripes sakes keep the defense guessing at least a little bit. Like Geaux_Sioux said.....man it sure seems like it would be easy to scheme against us as a D coordinator and player. 1 Quote
gundy1124 Posted July 27, 2018 Posted July 27, 2018 1 hour ago, geaux_sioux said: Our offense doesn’t really play to any of the players’ strengths from what I’ve seen. Need more back shoulder throws to Wanzek down the sideline. TEs passes and screens to lighten the load on the OL. Seriously can you imagine how easy it is to play LB against us? TE in the game, no passing threat. Santiago in the game, a gap it is. Keaton was at his best out of the pocket, whether we called a roll out or he scrambled from a drop back pass. I think Kett. is a more suited drop back guy, but also throws well on the run. If we can't pass protect adequately with drop back........hmmm.....maybe slide the protection and roll outs?? Really, children figure things out by trial and error. 1 Quote
LeaveNoDoubt Posted July 27, 2018 Posted July 27, 2018 the thing is our offense didn’t really change once last year. Didn’t change when we were getting blown out by SD, not when we knew our playoff hopes were gone, and even the last few games where we as fans just wanted a win or two or at least some excitement to come watch. Just the same old boring offense. I’m not saying fire up the original PlayStation on the sideline, throw in NFL Blitz and take some plays from there. I’m saying maybe try some different formations, see what you have in an Alex Cloyd, a screen game, or what your most dynamic player can do in the slot. Just wanted to see something. 1 Quote
Ozzie82 Posted July 28, 2018 Posted July 28, 2018 So I'm gathering people don't like the play calling? 2 2 Quote
Irish Posted July 28, 2018 Posted July 28, 2018 One of the frustrating things in my book is that there is a lot to like about Bubba - bleeds Sioux Green, does a great job of promoting the Football Program, overall enthusiasm. However, we have, in my opinion, the most talented stable of running backs we have ever seen. Sadly, in my head here is Rudolph's reaction to any suggestion we get Santiago the ball in space, put all three on the field at the same time, use the tight end more, or just adjust to what the defense is giving us: - Coaching malpractice in the first degree. 2 Quote
ND1 Posted July 28, 2018 Posted July 28, 2018 14 minutes ago, Irish said: One of the frustrating things in my book is that there is a lot to like about Bubba - bleeds Sioux Green, does a great job of promoting the Football Program, overall enthusiasm. However, we have, in my opinion, the most talented stable of running backs we have ever seen. Sadly, in my head here is Rudolph's reaction to any suggestion we get Santiago the ball in space, put all three on the field at the same time, use the tight end more, or just adjust to what the defense is giving us: - Coaching malpractice in the first degree. Supposedly it’s changing a bit .. cross your fingers! Been told in spring ball they had multiple formations with Brady and John including John at wide out . Will find out soon enough what’s changed 1 Quote
SkoHawks Posted July 28, 2018 Posted July 28, 2018 1 hour ago, ND1 said: Supposedly it’s changing a bit .. cross your fingers! Been told in spring ball they had multiple formations with Brady and John including John at wide out . Will find out soon enough what’s changed If this truly is the case, I almost hope we don't see it until Sam Houston....should piss pound MVSU no matter what we do and don't have a chance against Washington so maybe hold that close to the vest until we have a game we could really benefit from throwing in some surprises. 2 1 Quote
Popular Post shep Posted July 28, 2018 Author Popular Post Posted July 28, 2018 I can't imagine anything they come up with will be so outstanding that it has to be kept secret for a couple of games. Just use the personnel you have to the best of everyone's ability and the other team won't stop it even when they know it's coming. 5 Quote
Mama Sue Posted July 28, 2018 Posted July 28, 2018 2 hours ago, shep said: I can't imagine anything they come up with will be so outstanding that it has to be kept secret for a couple of games. Just use the personnel you have to the best of everyone's ability and the other team won't stop it even when they know it's coming. Quaint idea.... don’t tell anyone! Can’t wait for the season to start! Quote
geaux_sioux Posted July 28, 2018 Posted July 28, 2018 11 hours ago, SkoHawks said: If this truly is the case, I almost hope we don't see it until Sam Houston....should piss pound MVSU no matter what we do and don't have a chance against Washington so maybe hold that close to the vest until we have a game we could really benefit from throwing in some surprises. A screen pass should not be seen as some crazy surprise play. 2 Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted July 28, 2018 Posted July 28, 2018 22 hours ago, Sioux94 said: NAU game probably right? Yes think that was the game he put the offense on his shoulders and carried them, and I think he might have even gotten a little dinged up at one point but stayed in. It's amazing what happens if you just try it. Not that we need or want that type of offense all game long, but for cripes sakes keep the defense guessing at least a little bit. Like Geaux_Sioux said.....man it sure seems like it would be easy to scheme against us as a D coordinator and player. why is it that bubba says he chose rudy because he was one of the hardest 0-coordinators to plan and coach against????????? Quote
Irish Posted July 28, 2018 Posted July 28, 2018 2 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: why is it that bubba says he chose rudy because he was one of the hardest 0-coordinators to plan and coach against????????? This made me sad when I read it. I think it speaks to the mentality on this coaching staff which shows in our inability/refusal to attack anyone's weakness and lack of game time adjustments to our schemes. 1 Quote
gundy1124 Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 On 7/28/2018 at 11:30 AM, SIOUXFAN97 said: why is it that bubba says he chose rudy because he was one of the hardest 0-coordinators to plan and coach against????????? The 1990's called, they want their offensive scheme back- 1 Quote
Old School Guy Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 Our offensive woes extend beyond play calling. We don't win in the trenches, consistently. Hopefully, the strength and conditioning program was revamped and improved this off season. 1 Quote
geaux_sioux Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 46 minutes ago, Old School Guy said: Our offensive woes extend beyond play calling. We don't win in the trenches, consistently. Hopefully, the strength and conditioning program was revamped and improved this off season. They replaced a bunch of assistants. Quote
BigGame Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 On 7/27/2018 at 7:27 PM, Irish said: One of the frustrating things in my book is that there is a lot to like about Bubba - bleeds Sioux Green, does a great job of promoting the Football Program, overall enthusiasm. However, we have, in my opinion, the most talented stable of running backs we have ever seen. Sadly, in my head here is Rudolph's reaction to any suggestion we get Santiago the ball in space, put all three on the field at the same time, use the tight end more, or just adjust to what the defense is giving us: - Coaching malpractice in the first degree. Guess what happens when you have great RB's and crap OL play? No matter how talented the RB they will fail with a bad OL. As much as I think John Santiago is a great back he can't be successful without some blocking. Brady and James can still make positive gains with a crumby OL. A good OL makes an average back look great, so why the hell is UND not recruiting and developing offensive linemen? Quote
BigGame Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 2 hours ago, gundy1124 said: The 1990's called, they want their offensive scheme back- I would argue this forever, because it really isn't what you do as much as how well you do it. Just look at NDSU! 1 1 Quote
shep Posted July 30, 2018 Author Posted July 30, 2018 ONE MONTH FROM TODAY IT BEGINS!! Be happy, people. Quote
geaux_sioux Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 9 hours ago, BigGame said: I would argue this forever, because it really isn't what you do as much as how well you do it. Just look at NDSU! Their offense is not archaic at all. 1 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 34 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: Their offense is not archaic at all. ... nor is it exceptional. Now before Bison fans go bonkers, that's a compliment. As I have begrudgingly stated before ... NDSU does nothing exceptional on offense, but what they do they do exceptionally well. Quote
Popular Post gundy1124 Posted July 30, 2018 Popular Post Posted July 30, 2018 10 hours ago, BigGame said: I would argue this forever, because it really isn't what you do as much as how well you do it. Just look at NDSU! Go 3-8, then recruit better players until your system works?? I don't think so. We have a lot of talent on this staff and these guys need paychecks, too. Since last year, Bubba has all but held a press conference on the offense changing some things up. If he can do that with Rudy, great, if he can't, he put himself out there. I don't have much time to argue, but NDSU is allowed the luxury to run heavy because they have a lot of depth and talent on the O-line. They always have good running backs, a gamer or NFL guy at QB, cheap shot artists at TE, a pretty good slot guy, and receivers that make the catch but not overly talented. They look the same every year and are hard to defend in the 3rd and 4th quarter. Power run, play action, screens, QB runs, etc, it wears defenses out. Another school, SDSU, usually has offensive talent, too, more varying year to year than NDSU. They play to their strengths regardless if it's a run game like 2-3 years ago, to a stud WR and TE like last year, and this year the QB will be the feature of the offense and it doesn't take a genius to figure that out. College football on offense is about your play-makers getting the ball in space. We need to do that. If your offensive line is average, all the more reason to have a screen game because O-line man tap the rushing defender and move to the second level. It doesn't take much. So plug and play regardless of personnel is out (for 95% of teams), best talent on the field in space is in. 1 6 Quote
forksandspoons Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 Who is #72 Wesley Jeffries on the roster? I don't remember hearing about him Quote
geaux_sioux Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 17 minutes ago, forksandspoons said: Who is #72 Wesley Jeffries on the roster? I don't remember hearing about him A JUCO DL who was brought in to play OL. Bold strategy. Hopefully he’s an All American RT. Quote
iramurphy Posted July 30, 2018 Posted July 30, 2018 On 7/27/2018 at 12:35 PM, gundy1124 said: I was told Keaton would have been All American if we did hurry up, check with him, screens with lots of play action and dink n dunk passing game with TEs. Not fibbing, very good source had that opinion. We did none of that, didn't play to the strengths of the most important offensive person on the field. NAIA or D2? Whomever said that didn't have a clue Gundy. Didn't develop here much beyond his Soph year. Great kid. I would agree we didn't utilize his strengths and we also didn't try and minimize his weaknesses. I believe Herm Edwards said if you don't adjust your game plan to your players you will fail. I don't think we have done that very well. I said before with our talent at RB and lack of depth and strength in the Oline, we need to have a run option package that gets quick reads and as you have said get the ball to our playmakers in space. Easier said than done but power running game requires power up front first and foremost. Quote
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