Moo U Dumpster Fire Thread

[MafiaMan]

3 hours ago, Bison06 said:

Mr. Newman, wasn’t specifically hired to bring supplements. 

He is hired as a motivational consultant. 

What's his salary?  I'm willing to take the job for $150K a year...and I'll even throw in an extra Monster drink for each player before the UND game.  

[JohnboyND7]

15 minutes ago, Bison06 said:

Shouldn’t the fact that you doubt caffeine as the substance raise red flags as to your own biases in this case?

I’m not saying it is caffeine, I don’t have any insider info.

But, the fact is the athlete stated he took a common pre workout drink.(caffeine is the active ingredient in most pre workout drinks). Coach Kleiman stated publicly that BR tested positive for a stimulant(caffeine is a stimulant). Caffeine is on the NCAA’s banned substances list when taken at certain quantities. Maybe he took an extra dose. This would account for how many other athletes could take the same thing in a lesser quantity possibly and not test positive. If you look at it objectively with all of the above info, all of a sudden Caffeine is actually very likely.

Yet, you doubt it because caffeine is such a common substance that it doesn’t make NDSU look dirty like you are hoping for.

You and others here want this to be a much bigger deal than it has ever been or ever will be.

You doubting that it’s caffeine only reveals your hope that it isn’t caffeine.

I'm with you on its not as big of a deal as some of the pearl clutchers are trying to make it out to be.

I'm still skeptical on the caffeine thing just thinking how people behave. 

Let's say I get arrested for drug paraphernalia or however you spell it. The police say they found residue of a common schedule one drug on the object.

If all I did was had a bag of weed and (insert smoking device), it's probably best for me to tell folks what it was. If I dont, well that's how rumors start and I'm not exactly making things better by not disclosing what it was.

Is it more likely to be marijuana than any other drug? Probably.

TL;DR - if it was caffeine, I really wish either Mr. Robbins or NDSU(if they are allowed?) said so.

For all I know there is other stuff behind the scenes that complicates disclosure or something. At the end of the day, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Hopefully he enjoyed his time at North Dakota State, and I have some big doubts that Mama Sue's dream of it hampering NDSU recruiting. 

Clemson had 3 of 18 guys fail their playoff test. They put together a top ten recruiting class and currently have the #1 class for next year. Seems 17 and 18 year olds aren't too concerned about that sort of thing.

 

[Siouxperman8]

5 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

gfhockey, duh

Damn.  Missed that one.  Great response.

[gundy1124]

35 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said:

I'm with you on its not as big of a deal as some of the pearl clutchers are trying to make it out to be.

I'm still skeptical on the caffeine thing just thinking how people behave. 

Let's say I get arrested for drug paraphernalia or however you spell it. The police say they found residue of a common schedule one drug on the object.

If all I did was had a bag of weed and (insert smoking device), it's probably best for me to tell folks what it was. If I dont, well that's how rumors start and I'm not exactly making things better by not disclosing what it was.

Is it more likely to be marijuana than any other drug? Probably.

TL;DR - if it was caffeine, I really wish either Mr. Robbins or NDSU(if they are allowed?) said so.

For all I know there is other stuff behind the scenes that complicates disclosure or something. At the end of the day, I'm not going to lose sleep over it. Hopefully he enjoyed his time at North Dakota State, and I have some big doubts that Mama Sue's dream of it hampering NDSU recruiting. 

Clemson had 3 of 18 guys fail their playoff test. They put together a top ten recruiting class and currently have the #1 class for next year. Seems 17 and 18 year olds aren't too concerned about that sort of thing.

 

Clemson might want to invest a few more resources into their internal testing program......

[MafiaMan]

16 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

Clemson might want to invest a few more resources into their internal testing program......

Or as some might have us believe, tell their players to lay off the Mountain Dew before game-time.

[bison73]

4 hours ago, MafiaMan said:

Or as some might have us believe, tell their players to lay off the Mountain Dew before game-time.

That right there was brought forward by a UND fan awhile back. Its not as silly as you are trying to make it out to be. There are acceptable levels and then there are levels that will get you in trouble with the NCAA.

[Siouxphan27]

8 hours ago, SlowHand said:

Finally!  The !@#$ show that I was waiting for continues.  Nice work all.  I appreciate every last one of you for the laughs you provide me.

 

You’re welcome; but it really doesn’t take much effort to get the hall monitors from Jan Brady State riled up when someone’s opinion doesn’t line up with theirs.  

[gundy1124]

17 hours ago, MafiaMan said:

Or as some might have us believe, tell their players to lay off the Mountain Dew before game-time.

Caffeine is a banned substance by the NCAA. A urinary caffeine concentration exceeding 15 micrograms per milliliter (corresponding to ingesting about 500 milligrams, the equivalent of six to eight cups of brewed coffee, two to three hours before competition) results in a positive drug test.

1st off, I believe they test after the game and give a player 1 hour to report.  The body for a player is at a high level of activity for 4 hours warm-up and game time plus another hour cool down is going to metabolize caffeine pretty quickly and for the normal Joe caffeine has a half life of 6 hours.  1 cup of coffee has the equivalent caffeine of 2 Mountain Dews.......not a scientist here but guessing with lag time, metabolism, etc., about 20 Mountain Dews will give you a positive test per NCAA.

So we have the 20 Mountain Dew Theory floating around by the SU guys, probably as believable at the Ben Newman gets paid for his speeches theory!!

[geaux_sioux]

23 minutes ago, gundy1124 said:

Caffeine is a banned substance by the NCAA. A urinary caffeine concentration exceeding 15 micrograms per milliliter (corresponding to ingesting about 500 milligrams, the equivalent of six to eight cups of brewed coffee, two to three hours before competition) results in a positive drug test.

1st off, I believe they test after the game and give a player 1 hour to report.  The body for a player is at a high level of activity for 4 hours warm-up and game time plus another hour cool down is going to metabolize caffeine pretty quickly and for the normal Joe caffeine has a half life of 6 hours.  1 cup of coffee has the equivalent caffeine of 2 Mountain Dews.......not a scientist here but guessing with lag time, metabolism, etc., about 20 Mountain Dews will give you a positive test per NCAA.

So we have the 20 Mountain Dew Theory floating around by the SU guys, probably as believable at the Ben Newman gets paid for his speeches theory!!

That’s why he’s such a good motivator. Imagine how hard it is to slam those last 5 Dews right before the warmup starts.

[Gothmog]

5 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

That’s why he’s such a good motivator. Imagine how hard it is to slam those last 5 Dews right before the warmup starts.

It would not have required 20 Mountain Dews if he was already using a supplement that contained large amounts of caffeine. That was the original point. Somehow that got changed to Mountain Dew being the only source. 

[jdub27]

The supplement Newman endorses specifically states it's a low caffeine supplement. How many extra doses would be needed for that to trigger as above the allowable levels? 

[geaux_sioux]

39 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

It would not have required 20 Mountain Dews if he was already using a supplement that contained large amounts of caffeine. That was the original point. Somehow that got changed to Mountain Dew being the only source. 

It got changed into a joke Francis.

[Gothmog]

24 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

The supplement Newman endorses specifically states it's a low caffeine supplement. How many extra doses would be needed for that to trigger as above the allowable levels? 

Clean Victory Stage One contains 250 mg of caffeine per scoop. The NCAA limit is 500 mg, the caffeine content of Mt Dew is 91 mg per 20 oz bottle, and the average half-life of  caffeine in the human body is 5 hours. You do the math.

[Gothmog]

12 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

It got changed into a joke Francis.

But it isn't a joke. Caffeine is plausible.

[Siouxphan27]

11 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

Clean Victory Stage One contains 250 mg of caffeine per scoop. The NCAA limit is 500 mg, the caffeine content of Mt Dew is 91 mg per 20 oz bottle, and the average half-life of  caffeine in the human body is 5 hours. You do the math.

So if I’m doing my math correctly, he took 4 scoops of steroids instead of the usual ndsu recommended 1-2?

[Mama Sue]

The Food and Drug Administration does NOT regulate these supplements.... you can put anything you want on it. A friend, not health care, is selling one of these in a  pyramid type business.... she posted her supplements are perfectly safe for pregnant women and children. I should tell her for college football players too.

Hey, do you think Juice U used Shaklee?

[bison73]

1 hour ago, gundy1124 said:

Caffeine is a banned substance by the NCAA. A urinary caffeine concentration exceeding 15 micrograms per milliliter (corresponding to ingesting about 500 milligrams, the equivalent of six to eight cups of brewed coffee, two to three hours before competition) results in a positive drug test.

1st off, I believe they test after the game and give a player 1 hour to report.  The body for a player is at a high level of activity for 4 hours warm-up and game time plus another hour cool down is going to metabolize caffeine pretty quickly and for the normal Joe caffeine has a half life of 6 hours.  1 cup of coffee has the equivalent caffeine of 2 Mountain Dews.......not a scientist here but guessing with lag time, metabolism, etc., about 20 Mountain Dews will give you a positive test per NCAA.

So we have the 20 Mountain Dew Theory floating around by the SU guys, probably as believable at the Ben Newman gets paid for his speeches theory!!

As you said youre not a scientist so your 20 Mt Dews is not fact. You also forgot taking the prework out supplement in your scenario. Plus how active was the player during the game??  Taking a prework out supplement before a game and not getting many snaps is not going to metabolize the supplement very fast.

 

So now you are inferring Newman was brought in for something other than  motivation . JFC

[Sioux27]

13 minutes ago, bison73 said:

As you said youre not a scientist so your 20 Mt Dews is not fact. You also forgot taking the prework out supplement in your scenario. Plus how active was the player during the game??  Taking a prework out supplement before a game and not getting many snaps is not going to metabolize the supplement very fast.

 

So now you are inferring Newman was brought in for something other than  motivation . JFC

Seriously Lakes.....you're better than this.

[bison73]

26 minutes ago, Gothmog said:

But it isn't a joke. Caffeine is plausible.

It doesnt fit their narrative.

[bison73]

Just now, Sioux27 said:

Seriously Lakes.....you're better than this.

Oh man that hurt.

[Sioux27]

Just now, bison73 said:

Oh man that hurt.

LOL

[bison73]

Just now, Sioux27 said:

LOL

But it did make me smile. Touche

[90siouxfan]

this thread is more fun than a football game eh

[geaux_sioux]

2 hours ago, bison73 said:

It doesnt fit their narrative.

Or yours.

[gundy1124]

4 hours ago, Sioux27 said:

Seriously Lakes.....you're better than this.

  I am expecting bison73 to drink a lot of beer this extended weekend and hypothesize around the bon fire then spit some mad game next week.  He seems burnt out on his last post.