burd Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 2 hours ago, Ray77 said: What's he supposed to do if an alum or NHL scout doesn't want to be named? It's just that I don't want someone writing about my team, my school, my family, etc. without reliable, named sources, and I think the same standard should apply when the reporting is about someone we don't like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxTupa Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 The article actually does name a few alumni. I only remember Hartzell as one, but there were more. There were just a lot of unnamed scouts. I was pretty surprised at the length of the article. For a hatchet job, it is long and detailed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 6 minutes ago, SiouxTupa said: The article actually does name a few alumni. I only remember Hartzell as one, but there were more. There were just a lot of unnamed scouts. I was pretty surprised at the length of the article. For a hatchet job, it is long and detailed. One even has to wonder about Hartzell's mindset when he is looking at the program because wasn't he passed over for coaching positions before? Not saying he has an axe to grind, just wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Some of the accusations in that article remind me of some of the problems of the Mussman era of UND Football. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxTupa Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 5 minutes ago, tnt said: One even has to wonder about Hartzell's mindset when he is looking at the program because wasn't he passed over for coaching positions before? Not saying he has an axe to grind, just wondering. Exactly, I bet a lot of the interviews were some of the disgruntled alumni that Lucia is talking about in his response interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodak651 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 58 minutes ago, siouxforce19 said: If he studied communication in college he should know if all he had is anonymous sources, he's got zero credibility. In the real world, it is about page views. Pretty sure his bosses will be happy with that article. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burd Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 41 minutes ago, nodak651 said: In the real world, it is about page views. Pretty sure his bosses will be happy with that article. In the era of the web, when anyone can write anything without the traditional standards of reliability, I think you are right, and that is unfortunate. Don't get me wrong though; I enjoyed reading it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keikla Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 He had some named sources, some anonymous. But there's also facts in there that can't be made up. Imagine if Sandelin hosted a UND fundraiser at his house, or Blais hosted a Minnesota fundraiser while he worked here. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 Probably has been mentioned before, but this is the best line in this article, IMO.. "If a kid is going to Minnesota," says one NHL scout, "concerns are openly discussed in our rooms about how it might affect his development. If one of our players is heading to say, North Dakota or UMD or [Nebraska-Omaha], we are comfortable with them going to any of those places." 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 4 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said: Probably has been mentioned before, but this is the best line in this article, IMO.. "If a kid is going to Minnesota," says one NHL scout, "concerns are openly discussed in our rooms about how it might affect his development. If one of our players is heading to say, North Dakota or UMD or [Nebraska-Omaha], we are comfortable with them going to any of those places." I thought the article was pretty interesting however it seems extremely biased. MN has produced just as many current NHL players as we have (or at least the number is very close). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keikla Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 46 minutes ago, scpa0305 said: I thought the article was pretty interesting however it seems extremely biased. MN has produced just as many current NHL players as we have (or at least the number is very close). True, but most of our NHLers showed significant improvement in both college and the pros. They aren't stunted in college and suddenly become amazingly better players once they leave. The lone exception to that may be Forbort, who is significantly better in the pro system. I'm just playing devils advocate. I don't recall the article saying that Minnesota doesn't produce NHL players. I think the issue is how much more said players improve once they leave Minnesota. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
burd Posted January 14, 2016 Share Posted January 14, 2016 1 hour ago, keikla said: True, but most of our NHLers showed significant improvement in both college and the pros. They aren't stunted in college and suddenly become amazingly better players once they leave. The lone exception to that may be Forbort, who is significantly better in the pro system. I'm just playing devils advocate. I don't recall the article saying that Minnesota doesn't produce NHL players. I think the issue is how much more said players improve once they leave Minnesota. Who but a diseased gopher fan (and what gopher fans aren't diseased) would not like that article. But it was a hack job, and if someone wrote about the Sioux using 75% unnamed sources, I'd be highly suspicious instead of tickled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tnt Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 4 hours ago, keikla said: He had some named sources, some anonymous. But there's also facts in there that can't be made up. Imagine if Sandelin hosted a UND fundraiser at his house, or Blais hosted a Minnesota fundraiser while he worked here. Yeah, and if he goes to those lengths to help Notre Dame, does anyone believe his scheduling of Notre Dame for four years at the expense of the North Dakota rivalry is done for the benefit of Minnesota and their fans? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 16 hours ago, keikla said: True, but most of our NHLers showed significant improvement in both college and the pros. They aren't stunted in college and suddenly become amazingly better players once they leave. The lone exception to that may be Forbort, who is significantly better in the pro system. I'm just playing devils advocate. I don't recall the article saying that Minnesota doesn't produce NHL players. I think the issue is how much more said players improve once they leave Minnesota. I hate the goofs just as much as anyone and I think Lucia has to go. However, to say these player's growth was stunted because of that particular team is a joke. Who's growth was stunted? All the goof players in the show produced in college too. I had a good laugh at the article but in all seriousness, the UM has a good hockey program. The must have only interviewed Hextall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted January 15, 2016 Share Posted January 15, 2016 I think we should quite debating the details and enjoy the article for the delicious piece of lemon meringue pie that it was. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cberkas Posted January 16, 2016 Author Share Posted January 16, 2016 Michigan with 2 quick goals 3-2 Ohio State Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted January 16, 2016 Author Share Posted January 16, 2016 5-4 Michigan, Ohio State finding ways to loose this game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted January 16, 2016 Author Share Posted January 16, 2016 Ohio State ties it with 6 seconds left 5-5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted January 16, 2016 Author Share Posted January 16, 2016 It takes 9 rounds in the shootout for Ohio State to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cberkas Posted January 16, 2016 Author Share Posted January 16, 2016 Michigan State, Please fire Anastos, your program is a joke. Sincerely, every college hockey fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 SCSU and UMD in OT right now (on Fox Sports or NCHC.tv). I'm hoping to finally see some 3x3 hockey. UMD win helps solidify UND's first place standings (considering games played) in the NCHC. Edit: 3x3 starting. Which means SCSU will at most get two points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigGreyAnt41 Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 These UMD/SCSU announcers are awful. They're just sitting up there giggling about the 3x3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 SCSU with the 3x3 win for 2 NCHC points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianvf Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 WMU scores a goal with 20sec left to force OT with DU, and then scores again in 3x3 OT to get the extra point. Hopefully WMU will be able to steal some points next weekend too against SCSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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