Ray77 Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 I already told you guys nothing vcame out of the meeting testerday related to el Rocco or Rocco. I find that hard to believe. You're in the know and you're holding out on us. 1 Quote
gfhockey Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 Believe me if I knew I would probably ay. But usually when I spill the beans I get railed on by this website personal attack after personal attack. So I might nite my tongue after I learn the decision and not inform you guys not in the know Quote
Frozen4sioux Posted April 22, 2014 Author Posted April 22, 2014 Came on here to check if anything new on Rocco has been heard and find a Jeff Panzer Hobey debate. It's going to be a long summer Yes. Yes it is..... Quote
gfhockey Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 Well at least you have me and the good ole boys to keep then info coming Quote
Frozen4sioux Posted April 22, 2014 Author Posted April 22, 2014 People on twitter that follow me know my real name. ....both of them know? :| Quote
Siouxperfan7 Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 I already told you guys nothing vcame out of the meeting testerday related to el Rocco or Rocco. Your "good ole boys" meetings are at the El Roco? I can just picture all you guys sitting around with your Old Milwaukee talking about the good ole days!! 1 Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted April 22, 2014 Posted April 22, 2014 That doesn't matter. I, for one, actually thought Miller deserved it too. Those numbers probably will never be repeated. Sorry, I think it does matter. A lot more than plus/minus rating, which is the main argument the Gionta crowd was using. Every year, there are probably a half-dozen players that are deserving of the award. I am simply saying that Panzer was given the short end of the stick in part because of where he played and where he was from. Gionta didn't have the numbers to win it that year, so they gave it to Miller so a kid from a small, non-Division I school (at the time) didn't win it. The year Duncan won it (2007), there was an unusual absence of candidates that really stood out. And even Hrkac had his detractors in 1987, which is so ridiculous I am not even going to go there. I also will point out that after 2001, players from smaller schools started winning the award after years of practically ignoring them. I have always wondered if there was a backlash of sorts over the 2001 decision and it might have influenced the voters after that? I think it would make more sense to have an award for every position (forward, defense, goaltender, special teams, fourth liner, etc.) so that we are comparing apples to apples. The Hobey, as it stands right now, is a subjectively political award. 1 Quote
scpa0305 Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Sorry, I think it does matter. A lot more than plus/minus rating, which is the main argument the Gionta crowd was using. Every year, there are probably a half-dozen players that are deserving of the award. I am simply saying that Panzer was given the short end of the stick in part because of where he played and where he was from. Gionta didn't have the numbers to win it that year, so they gave it to Miller so a kid from a small, non-Division I school (at the time) didn't win it. The year Duncan won it (2007), there was an unusual absence of candidates that really stood out. And even Hrkac had his detractors in 1987, which is so ridiculous I am not even going to go there. I also will point out that after 2001, players from smaller schools started winning the award after years of practically ignoring them. I have always wondered if there was a backlash of sorts over the 2001 decision and it might have influenced the voters after that? I think it would make more sense to have an award for every position (forward, defense, goaltender, special teams, fourth liner, etc.) so that we are comparing apples to apples. The Hobey, as it stands right now, is a subjectively political award. Let me ask it this way....why should panzer have won the award over miller? Quote
Blackheart Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Let me ask it this way....why should panzer have won the award over miller? He was the best player/scorer in the toughest league while Miller was the best goalie in a weak league. Did I get it? 1 Quote
scpa0305 Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 He was the best player/scorer in the toughest league while Miller was the best goalie in a weak league. Did I get it? I do the "my league is tougher than your league" all the time. However the CCHA was not terrible. millers numbers are not repeatable and his team took the natty. In retrospect, I think the judges got it right. Quote
siouxkid12 Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 I do the "my league is tougher than your league" all the time. However the CCHA was not terrible. millers numbers are not repeatable and his team took the natty. In retrospect, I think the judges got it right. Ryan Miller never won a national championship. David McKee (04-05) repeated Millers numbers, he even had a better GAA than Miller! Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Ryan Miller never won a national championship. David McKee (04-05) repeated Millers numbers, he even had a better GAA than Miller! Nor has Miller bounced around the minor leagues like mcKee. Quote
scpa0305 Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Ryan Miller never won a national championship. David McKee (04-05) repeated Millers numbers, he even had a better GAA than Miller! I stand corrected...I thought msu took a natty with him? What was McKees save %? That has less to do with the team in front of him than gaa. Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Nor has Miller bounced around the minor leagues like mcKee. I have never liked judging college players based on what they do at the next level. Some great college players do nothing at the next level, while some good college players end up on the right team in the right system and flourish. Quote
fightingsioux4life Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 I do the "my league is tougher than your league" all the time. However the CCHA was not terrible. millers numbers are not repeatable and his team took the natty. In retrospect, I think the judges got it right. The differences in conference schedule are relevant. The WCHA was tough top to bottom in 2001, while the CCHA was very top heavy during that time (3 to 4 good teams and a bunch of average to mediocre after that). I think it is obvious that slamming the door on Bowling Green is a little easier than doing it against the likes of Minnesota, Denver, Colorado College, Wisconsin and North Dakota on a week in, week out basis. And as others have pointed out, Michigan State didn't win the NCAA title that year; Boston College beat us in OT. UND beat Michigan State (and Karl Goehring outdueled Ryan Miller) 2-0 in the semifinals. Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 The differences in conference schedule are relevant. The WCHA was tough top to bottom in 2001, while the CCHA was very top heavy during that time (3 to 4 good teams and a bunch of average to mediocre after that). I think it is obvious that slamming the door on Bowling Green is a little easier than doing it against the likes of Minnesota, Denver, Colorado College, Wisconsin and North Dakota on a week in, week out basis. And as others have pointed out, Michigan State didn't win the NCAA title that year; Boston College beat us in OT. UND beat Michigan State (and Karl Goehring outdueled Ryan Miller) 2-0 in the semifinals. Who scored the goals? Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 I stand corrected...I thought msu took a natty with him? What was McKees save %? That has less to do with the team in front of him than gaa. .947 Quote
siouxkid12 Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 I stand corrected...I thought msu took a natty with him? What was McKees save %? That has less to do with the team in front of him than gaa. The year they were "suppose" to win it, a Jeff Panzer led team beat Miller and Michigan State 2-0. So do you discount Miller's GAA than? Quote
brianvf Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Who scored the goals? Spiewak scored like a minute into the game and Bayda added the 2nd toward the end of the 1st. The next day, Miller won the Hobey. The day after that, UND lost the heartbreaker in OT to BC after tying it with 30sec left in the game. Quote
werewolfoflondon Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Spiewak scored like a minute into the game and Bayda added the 2nd toward the end of the 1st. The next day, Miller won the Hobey. The day after that, UND lost the heartbreaker in OT to BC after tying it with 30sec left in the game. Ask a question and get an answer. Thank you. Quote
scpa0305 Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 The differences in conference schedule are relevant. The WCHA was tough top to bottom in 2001, while the CCHA was very top heavy during that time (3 to 4 good teams and a bunch of average to mediocre after that). I think it is obvious that slamming the door on Bowling Green is a little easier than doing it against the likes of Minnesota, Denver, Colorado College, Wisconsin and North Dakota on a week in, week out basis. And as others have pointed out, Michigan State didn't win the NCAA title that year; Boston College beat us in OT. UND beat Michigan State (and Karl Goehring outdueled Ryan Miller) 2-0 in the semifinals. In your first paragraph you mention bowling green for the CCHA but fail to mention either Michigan tech or even Alaska anchorage. As for your second paragraph....yes that was already pointed out and I responded to that poster before you even submitted your post. Just trying to save you those precious seconds in life Quote
scpa0305 Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 The year they were "suppose" to win it, a Jeff Panzer led team beat Miller and Michigan State 2-0. So do you discount Miller's GAA than? I am confused by what you mean. I think millers save % that particular year was .95 exactly with ten shutouts. Those are video game numbers in my books. I do remember that game now, not sure why I thought msu won the natty. Probably had something to do with miller winning the natty. Is Rocco coming back like he should? Quote
NorthDakotaHockey Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Is Rocco coming back like he should? Yes. Rest well. There is no doubt. Nor much room for reasoned debate. The kid is too smart to be swayed by a few pieces of silver that will still be there later, and when he has much work to do. That work is best and most productively done at North Dakota. Quote
scpa0305 Posted April 23, 2014 Posted April 23, 2014 Yes. Rest well. There is no doubt. Nor much room for reasoned debate. The kid is too smart to be swayed by a few pieces of silver that will still be there later, and when he has much work to do. That work is best and most productively done at North Dakota. Ha. Sure hope so. Quote
Fetch Posted April 24, 2014 Posted April 24, 2014 Me too I want him to have a yr we all know he can Go out a Sioux Legend Quote
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