obborg Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 You're right its not. I never said it was. Then what is it you are trying to say? Sounds like we are not in disagreement on my original point yet somehow also sounds like we are arguing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obborg Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 The post you originally took issue with said it's an official nickname..... My issue was with the word "official," not the word "an." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nodakhoops Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Getting spoon fed some name with Hawks or Sundogs by some hired "marketing guru," would be wrong. The way I see it now after some thought...North Dakota and Roughriders must be on the final ballot. They can throw in whatever 3rd wheel they want but if it's truly a fan vote those are far and away the most popular from what I have seen and heard. I don't like just North Dakota, but let's be fair and honest. Those are the two most popular of the 15 left by far from what I have seen. Throw in whatever other name you want I think it comes down to Roughriders and North Dakota. If the final three are Sundogs Spirit and Green Hawks that is wrong. Roughriders and just North Dakota are the most popular......put them on the ballot and let people vote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ericpnelson Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 There's a US postage stamp from 1948 that would be a good logo basis also. Yes! Yes! Yes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Then what is it you are trying to say? Same thing I said before.Does it have less meaning if its unofficial state nickname to you. If you dont like Roughriders as a state nickname. I suggest you write your congressman and have it removed from the list of nicknames (among the states website). If you don't care fine. We know its not the official. You only get one of those. Every state has an official name. And about five other nicknames. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Getting spoon fed some name with Hawks or Sundogs by some hired "marketing guru," would be wrong. The way I see it now after some thought...North Dakota and Roughriders must be on the final ballot. They can throw in whatever 3rd wheel they want but if it's truly a fan vote those are far and away the most popular from what I have seen and heard. I don't like just North Dakota, but let's be fair and honest. Those are the two most popular of the 15 left by far from what I have seen. Throw in whatever other name you want I think it comes down to Roughriders and North Dakota. If the final three are Sundogs Spirit and Green Hawks that is wrong. Roughriders and just North Dakota are the most popular......put them on the ballot and let people vote. Well said. (Although I dont agree with just ND bit that's a different story). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If the final three are Sundogs Spirit and Green Hawks that is wrong. If that is the case I won't even bother voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 My issue was with the word "official," not the word "an." What do you believe to be the official nickname of the state? Please be prepared to cite the section of code. I'm actually curious what it truly is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obborg Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 What do you believe to be the official nickname of the state? Please be prepared to cite the section of code. I'm actually curious what it truly is. The official state nickname is Peace Garden State. (Pasted directly from Sicatoka's link:) "...it was formally adopted by the 1957 legislature (North Dakota Century Code (NDCC), Section 39-04-12)" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDErmines Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 That's what you get from consultants. Miami University Redskins Red Hawks Dickinson State Savages Blue Hawks Indiana U of Pennsylvania Indians Crimson Hawks Chowan University Braves Hawks Martin Methodist College Indians Red Hawks Seattle University Chieftains Red Hawks Southeast Missouri State University Indians Red Hawks Consultant Template: 1. < insert school name here >< line out Native related name here >< insert primary school color here > Hawks 2. Charge outrageous sum of cash for "market research" and such. Market research is one of the most valuable tools in the possession of man. I think the order goes: fire, wheel, market research. And of course that discounts the fact that market research greatly improved the fire and the wheel. That said, marketing firms typically are terrible at market research. Marketing and market research are two very different skill sets, but most marketing firms don't acknowledge that because they're chasing money. Hopefully this consulting firm has a legitimate research firm on their team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 The official state nickname is Peace Garden State. (Pasted directly from Sicatoka's link:) "...it was formally adopted by the 1957 legislature (North Dakota Century Code (NDCC), Section 39-04-12)" Just so you know what you actually cited: 39-04-12. Contents of number plates - Size of letters and numerals on plates - Reflectorized - Tabs or stickers - Additional fee. 1. Number plates must be of metal or other suitable material bearing the name of the state, either in full or by abbreviation, the number of the year, the slogan "Peace Garden State" and a distinctive number for assignment to each vehicle. The distinctive number may be in figures or a combination of figures and letters and must be of a size clearly distinguishable by law enforcement officers and individuals generally. To reduce highway accidents at night all number plates must be legible for a minimum distance of one hundred feet [30.48 meters] to an approaching motorist by day or night with lawful headlight beams and without other illumination. Each plate must be treated with a reflectorized material according to the specifications prescribed by the department. The department shall furnish for each annual registration a year plate, tab, or sticker to designate the year registration. The plate, tab, or sticker must show the registration year for which issued, and is valid only for that year. 2. The department, in its discretion, may provide to an owner of a trailer that is operated, offered for lease, or rented to the public, number plates that are for a period of not more than six consecutive years and which are exempt from the requirements of annual validation evidence. The registration fees for the trailer may be paid for the entire period for which the plates are issued, or the fee may be paid for the first year of the issue and a corporate surety bond may be filed in the sum the department determines reasonable and adequate in the circumstances, conditioned that the owner will pay the annual fee at the beginning of each annual registration period. The department shall transfer to a replacement trailer number plates issued pursuant to this subsection along with any unused registration fees. If the owner has disposed of the trailer and is not replacing the trailer, upon surrender of the number plates the department shall issue a refund of the registration fees paid for any unused registration year. 3. The department may provide to an owner of a fleet of one hundred or more vehicles number plates that are valid for as many as six consecutive years and that are exempt from the requirements of evidence of annual validation. The registrant shall file with the department a corporate surety bond in an amount the department determines to be reasonable and adequate, and conditioned that the owner will pay the annual fee at the beginning of each annual registration period for which the number plates are valid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Just so you know what you actually cited: So not quite the same level of legal backing as ladybugs for state insect then..... Edit: An agreed-upon, single, official state nickname would be found here: http://www.legis.nd.gov/cencode/t54c02.pdf?20150610141556 ...... if it existed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I like to call it the "vague noun" genre of nicknames: Force, Spirit, Wild, Liberty. Mafia can explain.I call it the "WNBAization Principle." The Phoenix Mercury, Chicago Sky, Detroit Shock, Seattle Storm, LA Sparks, and my personal favorite, the Atlanta Dream. You know, after Martin Luther King's dream. Nicknames with lots of abstract-ness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 So not quite the same level of legal backing as ladybugs for state insect then..... Edit: An agreed-upon, single, official state nickname would be found here: http://www.legis.nd.gov/cencode/t54c02.pdf?20150610141556 ...... if it existed. Which includes this: 54-02-15. Honorary equine. The Nokota horse, in recognition of the significant role the breed has played in the history of this state, is designated an honorary equine of North Dakota. And this: 54-02-07. Theodore Roosevelt rough rider award. There shall be awarded by the state of North Dakota, in the name of the legislative assembly and the citizens of this state, an award to be known as the Theodore Roosevelt rough rider award. The award is the highest recognition by the state of present or former North Dakotans who have been influenced by this state in achieving national recognition in their fields of endeavor, thereby reflecting credit and honor upon this state and its citizens. The award is not for momentary success, but only for genuine achievements of lasting significance. It is the intent of this section to guard the dignity of the rough rider award for recipients of the past as well as the future. The award, of a type and design approved by the governor, must be awarded by the governor upon the concurrence of the secretary of state and the director of the state historical society. A record of all such awards and pertinent information in regard to each recipient must be retained by the state archivist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 I (am) would actually get excited to buy University of North Dakota Roughriders apparel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Continuing to play simply as “North Dakota” is still an option. Goehring said in his experience with the last task force, many alumni were in favor of it. “They saw it as a way to stay unique, to stay themselves,” he said. “People felt forced by the NCAA, and they feel it’s a way to make a statement that that's who they are as alumni.” Is it still an option?? What do the boys in Indianapolis think? Has anyone on the committe (especially the chair) looked into this yet? Sure its the overwhelming favorite, but that may not matter!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 NDCC 39-04-12 defines a "slogan" on the state's vehicle license plates. NDCC 54-02 defines officially recognized state "emblems, symbols, and awards" ... like 54-02-07 ... the "Theodore Roosevelt rough rider award". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MafiaMan Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Which includes this:54-02-15. Honorary equine. The Nokota horse, in recognition of the significant role the breed has played in the history of this state, is designated an honorary equine of North Dakota. I can't believe the Kuntz brothers convinced some folks in ND to do this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 So not quite the same level of legal backing as ladybugs for state insect then..... Edit: An agreed-upon, single, official state nickname would be found here: http://www.legis.nd.gov/cencode/t54c02.pdf?20150610141556 ...... if it existed. The Teredos! 54-02-08. State fossil - Teredo petrified wood. The teredo petrified wood is the official fossil of the state of North Dakota. Petrified wood. Wow. North Dakota has an official petrified wood. Would have been nice to know that one when we could submit suggestions to the committee a couple of months (or was it years) ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagies Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 Until BRIDGES finds a Native American appalled by the use of the sacred word "Spirit" and we hop on the nickname merry-go-round all over again. Um, and what's wrong with that? We like to think of Roughriders as Teddy. But the main definition of Roughriders is: a person who breaks in or can ride unbroken horses. Pretty fitting in North Dakota. Didn't know that but I agree. Thanks for posting this info. I like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEdway Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If it ends up being "Spirit"...the entire process will have been a farce. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBR Posted June 10, 2015 Share Posted June 10, 2015 If Cavalry gets any further consideration the committee members have no qualifications for what they've been tasked to do. Not saying its an intrinsically bad name, but in context its asking for more NA related controversy. I can't believe it made it as far as it has. Likewise Green Hawks would not be such a terrible choice id Miami was not a hockey rival. I can live with no name, Roughriders, or Nodaks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigskyvikes Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 If you think 'North Dakota' and "ND" logo are going away after we get a nickname, then you are a f'ing moron. They will be around also, just like that last 50 years. Except now there will be multiple marketing options, just like before. And they might actually make money again. My god, stop saying this! The reason sales have been down since the nickname stuff ran out is because no one wants to buy something that is changing soon again! I'm NOT in marketing and yet I'm smart enough to know this! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxphan27 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 My god, stop saying this! The reason sales have been down since the nickname stuff ran out is because no one wants to buy something that is changing soon again! I'm NOT in marketing and yet I'm smart enough to know this! Exactly. And also, people bought lifetime supplies of Sioux gear near the end, so it's understandable sales would be down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted June 11, 2015 Share Posted June 11, 2015 My god, stop saying this! The reason sales have been down since the nickname stuff ran out is because no one wants to buy something that is changing soon again! I'm NOT in marketing and yet I'm smart enough to know this! The 'ND' logo isn't changing. It has only changed fonts over the years and isn't going anywhere. Not quite sure what you are talking about. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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