Fire Berry Please!

[Goon]

On 11/20/2024 at 7:19 PM, 90siouxfan said:

The "Fire the Coach" diatribe is a running joke on message boards,  likely never change as long as fans live vicariously through the actions of others.

I remember a game in which UNO beat UND 10-6, and the UND Hockey Chat had numerous posts about firing Hakstol. The next night, UND won the game, and there wasn't one "fire Hakstol" comment in the chat. I guarantee that "if" UND did fire Berry, it would take two to three losses for the first fire UND coach _______ threads to appear on Sioux Sports. 

[fightingsioux4life]

28 minutes ago, Brett0909 said:

Maybe some (like customers, fans are supremely discontent), but things aren’t nearly as black and white as everyone on the boards seems to recall or overly-generalize. I never wanted to fire Hak, even if it was head scratching how things always fell apart at the F4. But I’d definitely trade a Berry for a Hak today, even if it meant maybe they don’t win the NC in 16’. Very hard to imagine the program wouldn’t have had greater year-to-year success, and be in a better position today.

BUT it ain’t happening, so…we get to watch the team struggle to get back to where they were until some day when Berry hopefully figures it out. OR (and this is me, and many others), gradually lose interest, invest less time and financial support, and relegate ourselves to hoping to be surprised with some success instead of expecting it. A big bummer when the scales tip toward disappointment instead of joy, but thankfully there are tons of other sources of entertainment, especially for those of us outside of GFK. 
 

It wouldn’t hurt for us all to keep in mind though that everyone here cares (or they wouldn’t be on a fan forum), supports UND in their own way, and wants the team to succeed even if we have different opinions about what that entails. 

If Berry is replaced, we shouldn't look to the past, but to the future. Like the FB program, fresh blood may be what's needed if a decision is made to make a change at the top.

Whomever leads this program, the ultimate goal each season must remain the same: Hang a green banner from the rafters of REA. Anything less is not befitting a program of this stature.

[UND1983]

This program has underachieved like no other in the country.  I cannot believe the low standards that the fans have. Just happy every year that they compete

[siouxforce19]

2 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

This program has underachieved like no other in the country.  I cannot believe the low standards that the fans have. Just happy every year that they compete

Not seeing a lot of happy people around here. 

[UND1983]

12 minutes ago, siouxforce19 said:

Not seeing a lot of happy people around here. 

How many are calling for heads?  The majority of fan base is just happy to go hang at the REA and feel cool

[fightingsioux4life]

5 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

How many are calling for heads?  The majority of fan base is just happy to go hang at the REA and feel cool

This was one of the concerns I had when that palace opened in 2001.

That being said, I imagine there was some of that when the old REA replaced The Barn back in 1972.

[brianvf]

46 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

This program has underachieved like no other in the country. 

I certainly agree that there have been quite a few UND teams recently that have failed to live up to expectations.
That said, there are many teams (including quite a few big name programs) that wish their last title was as recent as 2016.
For our sake, I hope their drought continues and ours ends in April.

30 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

How many are calling for heads?

You realize that you are posting in a thread calling for the head of the current head coach, correct?   

[Big A HG]

UND is a Ferrari that many fans are content with driving like a Camry.  We're not a freakin' Camry though!  We're THE University of North Dakota.  The standards are higher!  An off year or two here and there isn't the issue.  It's the complete lack of tournament success in 8 years going on 9.  UNACCEPTABLE.

Hak may not have won a title, but we were the GOLD standard of college hockey during his tenure.  Every year came with new hope and the entire world of hockey knew we were always a threat.  Nobody is scared of us under Berry.  There were rough starts some years and all of them ultimately ended in tears, but they ended in tears because everyone was always so excited and passionate about that year being THE year.  It was SO much more fun.  You knew the team would come together in the back half of the year and be among the hardest outs come tournament time.  What's happened under Berry is a decline of UND hockey as a product and season ending losses come with less and less emotion.   UND hockey is no longer talked about the same way on a national level the way it was under Hakstol.  Berry has more resources at his fingertips than ever and nothing visually seems to actually change as a product on the ice...it only gets worse.

Time to stop monkeying around and grabbing half our roster out of the transfer portal...it's a lazy style of recruiting when used to the extent Berry has.  Time to take our kelly green Ferrari, put it in sport mode, and hit the gas....

[Blackheart]

Maybe the game has changed but the days of Sioux hockey playing right up to the edge are a distant memory.  Teams were known for their toughness and grit and I just don't see that anymore.  Talking about recruiting for the Sioux, someone once said that toughness is a SKILL.  We definitely don't see that anymore.  Turn back the clock to the Matt Greene teams in the early 2000's...nobody wanted to play against those guys because they knew they were in for an all out war and probably a pretty good beating.  End of rant.  F*ck!

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

1 hour ago, Blackheart said:

Maybe the game has changed but the days of Sioux hockey playing right up to the edge are a distant memory.  Teams were known for their toughness and grit and I just don't see that anymore.  Talking about recruiting for the Sioux, someone once said that toughness is a SKILL.  We definitely don't see that anymore.  Turn back the clock to the Matt Greene teams in the early 2000's...nobody wanted to play against those guys because they knew they were in for an all out war and probably a pretty good beating.  End of rant.  F*ck!

Watching some of the Senators game tonight, you can guess who was called for a penalty that wouldn't have gotten called a decade ago. Playing Sioux hockey the way it was is a recipe for seasoned penalty killers now.

[Big Green]

10 hours ago, AlphaMikeFoxtrot said:

Watching some of the Senators game tonight, you can guess who was called for a penalty that wouldn't have gotten called a decade ago. Playing Sioux hockey the way it was is a recipe for seasoned penalty killers now.

The nice thing about going over the line back in the day is we would kill the Penalty off.   Seems like our Penalty kill has been horrible and can't afford to take the liberty's we used to.  No team wanted to go hard to the net because they knew they would have to pay the price.

 

[burd]

The guy who should be fired is Kevin O'Connell.   In consecutive weekends, his team barely squeaks by three of the worst teams in football.  That wouldn't have happened under Bud Grant.   I don't know;  maybe fans are all too willing to settle for mediocrity these days.  At least then we could count on going to the Super Bowl. 

[Big Green]

3 hours ago, burd said:

The guy who should be fired is Kevin O'Connell.   In consecutive weekends, his team barely squeaks by three of the worst teams in football.  That wouldn't have happened under Bud Grant.   I don't know;  maybe fans are all too willing to settle for mediocrity these days.  At least then we could count on going to the Super Bowl. 

9-2 is mediocre?  The NFL is not College Football.  Not much difference between the best and worse teams.  The Vikings have overachieved this year thanks in part to KOC.  

 

[MGsioux]

3 hours ago, burd said:

The guy who should be fired is Kevin O'Connell.   In consecutive weekends, his team barely squeaks by three of the worst teams in football.  That wouldn't have happened under Bud Grant.   I don't know;  maybe fans are all too willing to settle for mediocrity these days.  At least then we could count on going to the Super Bowl. 

I have seen a lot of posts on this board that make me laugh.  Congrats on now being #1 on that list.  He is one of the best young coaches in the NFL they are 9-2 with Sam Darnold during a rebuilding year.  He is way closer to being coach of the year then being fired.  

[The Sicatoka]

Take it to the Vikings thread in Community or I'll move y'all along. 

[The Sicatoka]

I recall a sub-.500 Hak squad at break that went to a Frozen Four.

We're still in the "r" months. 

If it looks like Friday in the "y" months I'll be far more leery. 

[burd]

10 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Take it to the Vikings thread in Community or I'll move y'all along. 

Fair enough, Sir, though my post was very much about UND hockey.   You were right to give the order you gave, though. 

[RhettRingers]

4 hours ago, burd said:

The guy who should be fired is Kevin O'Connell.   In consecutive weekends, his team barely squeaks by three of the worst teams in football.  That wouldn't have happened under Bud Grant.   I don't know;  maybe fans are all too willing to settle for mediocrity these days.  At least then we could count on going to the Super Bowl. 

Mr. Burd, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

[SIOUXFAN97]

how about this

make Bubs the HC of the football team and Bubba the HC of the hockey team and see what happens?

[petey23]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

I recall a sub-.500 Hak squad at break that went to a Frozen Four.

We're still in the "r" months. 

If it looks like Friday in the "y" months I'll be far more leery. 

In looking at schedule at beginning of the year and certainly not anticipating the injuries we have had I figured we would be somewhere between 5-6 and 7-4 after first 11 games.

6-0 over next 6. 

12-6 over last 18.

23-12...maybe 2-3 ties in there. Can we get healthy enough to accomplish.

[siouxkid12]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

I recall a sub-.500 Hak squad at break that went to a Frozen Four.

We're still in the "r" months. 

If it looks like Friday in the "y" months I'll be far more leery. 

Nick Saban said it best "Do we have show dogs or hunting dogs"
Huntings dogs are focused on discipline, commitment, accountability doing the right things and getting better. Show dogs are focused on themselves. Hak had hunting dogs (Berry had hunting dogs very early in his HC career) but now it seems like we have guys who are "show dogs". 
Hak got 110% out of players who stepped up and understood the task at hand and it seems like Berry isn't great at getting the most out of his players.

I sure hope that Berry can get the team to turn it around but at the moment it doesn't look promising.

[tnt]

On 11/21/2024 at 9:26 PM, UND1983 said:

This program has underachieved like no other in the country.  I cannot believe the low standards that the fans have. Just happy every year that they compete

Pure hyperbole! A team that has won the hardest conference in college hockey consistently is underachieving like no other?  Yes, they need to take the next step now, but your credibility is suspect on a ludicrous statement like that. 

[tnt]

2 hours ago, SIOUXFAN97 said:

how about this

make Bubs the HC of the football team and Bubba the HC of the hockey team and see what happens?

Not sure I want TJ Semptimphelter starting at quarterback and Simon Romfo starting in goal for the football and hockey teams respectively.  

[siouxkid12]

40 minutes ago, tnt said:

Pure hyperbole! A team that has won the hardest conference in college hockey consistently is underachieving like no other?  Yes, they need to take the next step now, but your credibility is suspect on a ludicrous statement like that. 

One could say with the talent that has come through they have underachieved, but you could take that back all the way to Hak's teams too. 

Obviously, majority of fans are happy winning the regular season title but for most of us on here, we see how successful Duluth and Denver have been on a national stage and it sucks. We brag about our facilities and how good our athletes have it over other schools and yet the product on the ice isn't producing results on a national stage. 

[Big Green]

4 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

I recall a sub-.500 Hak squad at break that went to a Frozen Four.

We're still in the "r" months. 

If it looks like Friday in the "y" months I'll be far more leery. 

Unfortunatly, Berry teams are what they are.  We pretty much can tell after a month what the team is.  This team is a bubble NCAA Tourney team and bubble team for Home ice in NCHC Tourney.

Hak's team always got better after the new year and made a run.