homer Posted November 27 Posted November 27 3 hours ago, Bison06 said: It’s funny you keep having this discussion and yet we already know how the committee ranked these teams. The outcome is already decided and you want to re-litigate it, for what purpose? Clearly the committee, whose job it is to rank these teams discounted SDSU SoS. If anything, you arguing that SDSU had a better SoS than NDSU only further bolsters my point that the committee discounted SDSU for the DII game. It’s even funnier that you keep coming back here to justify the ranking. Reality is 2,3 and 4 could have been ranked in any order and a case could have been made. You can’t fault UND fans for questioning Lason on the committee based on recent decisions. I personally do think the AQ for a conference should count for something and is a good point I never thought of before. Quote
JohnboyND7 Posted November 27 Posted November 27 32 minutes ago, homer said: It’s even funnier that you keep coming back here to justify the ranking. Reality is 2,3 and 4 could have been ranked in any order and a case could have been made. You can’t fault UND fans for questioning Lason on the committee based on recent decisions. I personally do think the AQ for a conference should count for something and is a good point I never thought of before. The AQ does count for something. It counts for an autobid. In most conferences, that's what determines getting into the playoffs. Quote
Bison06 Posted November 27 Posted November 27 53 minutes ago, homer said: It’s even funnier that you keep coming back here to justify the ranking. Reality is 2,3 and 4 could have been ranked in any order and a case could have been made. You can’t fault UND fans for questioning Lason on the committee based on recent decisions. I personally do think the AQ for a conference should count for something and is a good point I never thought of before. SDSU fans aren’t even questioning the rankings, yet UND fans are. The AQ is decided by the conference, the rankings have nothing to do with that. Also, if you’ve read my posts, I’ve said literally word for word what you just posted. 2,3,4 could have been in any order. Yet they chose ndsu 2, sdsu 3, usd 4. Do you think they just flipped a coin? No, they looked at SoS and clearly discounted DII wins. Which part of what I’ve said do you disagree with? Quote
homer Posted November 27 Posted November 27 2 minutes ago, Bison06 said: SDSU fans aren’t even questioning the rankings, yet UND fans are. The AQ is decided by the conference, the rankings have nothing to do with that. Not one SDSU fan is questioning it? Quote
Bison06 Posted November 27 Posted November 27 7 minutes ago, homer said: Not one SDSU fan is questioning it? None that I’ve spoken to and I know a lot of them. Quote
Popular Post F'n Hawks Posted November 27 Popular Post Posted November 27 1 hour ago, Bison06 said: SDSU fans aren’t even questioning the rankings, yet UND fans are. The AQ is decided by the conference, the rankings have nothing to do with that. Also, if you’ve read my posts, I’ve said literally word for word what you just posted. 2,3,4 could have been in any order. Yet they chose ndsu 2, sdsu 3, usd 4. Do you think they just flipped a coin? No, they looked at SoS and clearly discounted DII wins. Which part of what I’ve said do you disagree with? We suck so we have to complain about something 6 Quote
homer Posted November 27 Posted November 27 6 hours ago, Bison06 said: None that I’ve spoken to and I know a lot of them. Random people on a message board?? Quote
The Sicatoka Posted November 27 Author Posted November 27 W against Augie and Northern by the SDs are what moved NDSU to 2 for me. 1 Quote
FSSD Posted November 27 Posted November 27 15 hours ago, Bison06 said: It’s funny you keep having this discussion and yet we already know how the committee ranked these teams. The outcome is already decided and you want to re-litigate it, for what purpose? Clearly the committee, whose job it is to rank these teams discounted SDSU SoS. If anything, you arguing that SDSU had a better SoS than NDSU only further bolsters my point that the committee discounted SDSU for the DII game. IMO, none of your arguments hold up to any scrunty. In the purest form of competition many DII teams are significantly better than the bottom of the FCS. Your argument that DII doesn't count is based on some random committee emphasis that changes from year to year. Over the years it has been: quality losses, strong finishes, rewarding strength of schedule, they had an FBS win, apparently this year it is they played a DII school. These are all random rationalization by committee members to do what they want. So given this point, I am going with Occam's razor. NDSU as #2 and Ten St. as the 3rd team in from the BigSouth/OVC are because they had reps on the Committee. More political wins by NDSU at the expense of conference team members. If SDSU and NDSU meet in the semifinals, NDSU has gained a 7-point advantage before the game starts. I think this is a big deal for the student athletes and programs involved - SDSU got worked. One more point, MSU had the weakest schedule of the four and if you go with the "Recent" predictor they are the lowest rated of the 4 seeds and 9-point dog on a neutral field with SDSU. And 11-point dog using the "Strong Recent" if they play SDSU. The Big Sky doesn't want to see SDSU they want NDSU in the finals. The Big Sky knows its best chance is USD at home and NDSU in Frisco. Again using Sagarin Predictor: Schedule Rank Predictor Golden_Mean Recent Strong Recent 34 South Dakota State AA = 78.20 10 2 57.05(135) | 79.27 30 | 76.49 35 | 79.39 34 | 83.24 25 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA) 44 North Dakota State AA = 75.64 10 2 56.00(140) | 75.44 48 | 75.70 42 | 75.71 46 | 78.41 38 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA) 63 Montana State AA = 71.88 12 0 48.89(173) | 71.43 66 | 73.36 56 | 70.22 63 | 72.51 58 BIG SKY (AA) 68 South Dakota AA = 70.61 9 2 54.03(146) | 70.76 68 | 69.63 71 | 70.80 61 | 73.86 53 MISSOURI VALLEY (AA) NOTE: I have NDSU with a +4 home field advantage and SDSU with the typical +3 SDSU @ NDSU - (79.27 - 75.44 -> 3.83 with +4) makes the spread Even NDSU @ SDSU - (79.27 - 75.44 -> 3.83 with +3) makes the spread NDSU +7 with rounding. Quote
FSSD Posted November 27 Posted November 27 12 hours ago, JohnboyND7 said: Yep. The teams all had an opportunity to separate themselves from the pack and failed to do so. The committee got left with a bag of crap to sort out. I think they probably got it right. I think each team is probably fine with the outcome. USD gets to go to Bozeman if they win. Thats a reward to not have to play either NDSU or SDSU again. SDSU isn't afraid of going to Fargo at this point. NDSU gets to play at home, which sure beats going to Brookings that time of year. I don't think SDSU is too execited about going to Fargo. See previous post - 7 point swing advantage NDSU. I would say USD indifferent, MSU and NDSU are laughing all the way to the bank. Quote
petey23 Posted November 27 Posted November 27 On 11/25/2024 at 2:58 PM, bison73 said: We beat SDSU heads up. SDSU beat USD. I think when you are looking at all 3 teams you could have went in any order at first glance. My initial thought would have been USD, NDSU, SDSU USD played a d2 school and unfortunately had a game cancelled and SDSU also played a d2 school. At second glance I would have placed NDSU 2 and since the comparison is now just between the South Dakota Schools, SDSU won head to head so they are 3 and USD is 4. Quote
zonadub Posted November 27 Posted November 27 Maybe the committee was looking at possible attendance indoors in Fargo vs outdoors in Brookings in December. Quote
Siouxperfan7 Posted December 3 Posted December 3 Nashville bidding for the FCS title game to be played at Vanderbilt’s soon to be newly renovated stadium. https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-organ/2024/12/03/nashville-fcs-national-championship-vanderbilt-2025-frisco-texas/76658801007/ 1 Quote
Big Green Posted December 3 Posted December 3 2 hours ago, Siouxperfan7 said: Nashville bidding for the FCS title game to be played at Vanderbilt’s soon to be newly renovated stadium. https://www.tennessean.com/story/sports/columnist/mike-organ/2024/12/03/nashville-fcs-national-championship-vanderbilt-2025-frisco-texas/76658801007/ this would be great. IMO Perfect Size Stadium and Nashville would be a great place to go for National Championship game. 2 Quote
MafiaMan Posted December 4 Posted December 4 On 11/26/2024 at 11:08 PM, F'n Hawks said: We suck so we have to complain about something The double bonus is that this year, we can complain about both football AND hockey well before Christmas. Quote
F'n Hawks Posted December 4 Posted December 4 13 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: The double bonus is that this year, we can complain about both football AND hockey well before Christmas. Fire everyone! Quote
SiouxFan100 Posted December 7 Posted December 7 2nd round of the fcs playoffs start now. Four mvfc are still playing with at least three going to win today. Something to do today I guess Quote
F'n Hawks Posted December 7 Posted December 7 I think ACU is going to regret not getting a TD there… 17-3 ACU Quote
Dustin Posted December 8 Posted December 8 21 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said: Makes sense. If it ain’t an FBS game, FCS semifinals, or Frisco, I don’t think Bison fans get up for it. Quote
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