2024 Non-UND FCS Thread

[Johnny Five]

Seedings were done to a tee between the 3 teams.  Head to head gets tossed out, the D2s were the obvious deciding factor.  Like it or not we all knew that going into the season.  

That being said, I think SDSU will come out of that side of the bracket.  

[wheelsup]

52 minutes ago, Johnny Five said:

Seedings were done to a tee between the 3 teams.  Head to head gets tossed out, the D2s were the obvious deciding factor.  Like it or not we all knew that going into the season.  

That being said, I think SDSU will come out of that side of the bracket.  

I never bet against the bison at home.. best home field advantage in fcs

[siouxweet]

Must be nice to be a fan of a program where the biggest question is what top 4 seed is appropriate or deserved unlike the mess in Grand Forks. 

[bison73]

6 hours ago, wheelsup said:

they lost their last regular season game to a team that is very close. The resumes are very close... I would get the point if you were talking about Illinois State resume but USD, SDSU and NDSU resumes are very close.  If the shoe was on the other foot the bison fans would be screaming about how unfair it is... I remember when head to head used to be a pretty key criteria..

We beat SDSU heads up. SDSU beat USD.

[FSSD]

10 hours ago, Bison06 said:

I appreciate the work your putting in here to make your point.

When three teams have essentially the same resume and have all beaten each other, how would you propose they be separated by the committee? 
 

We’re definitely splitting hairs, but NDSU in my mind had a clear advantage in SoS and apparently the committee saw it the same way. It doesn’t matter how good the DII teams are, they are a lower level and are viewed as such when it comes time for playoff seeding. It’s really as simple as that.

What was agreed upon by the conference? Sagarin, if all teams being concidered for the seed are MVFC schools - why let the failed ex-HR Executive with a degree in Divinty who has never played the game decide!?!?  I mean they know best, right.  NO.  

 

 

[FSSD]

10 hours ago, F'n Hawks said:

Not that there is technically a big difference from some D2 teams and the !@#!$ FCS teams, the main thing is the fact that teams know how D2 games can affect them for seeding, it isn’t something new. NDSU non-conference ended up looking better than it usually does with Tennessee State and East Tennessee State both having solid seasons.

Seriously you are trashing D2 and pimp'n those schedules.  Have you looked at the Ten St and ETSU schedules..

Here are TSU wins: 127 (+20), 125 (+13), 100 (+4), 69 (+4), 83 (+24), 105 (+13), 89 (+25), 72 (+3), 27 (+7) - that is one win in the top 70.  It would have been a recieving votes team.

Here are ETSU wins:  107 (+7), 26 (+3), 55 (+17), 58 (+3), 62 (+17), and something called UVA-Wise - that is one win in the top 50.  It would have been a recieving votes team.

NDSU is bragging about the nonconference - If you watched the ETSU game, they should have lost.

[F'n Hawks]

5 minutes ago, FSSD said:

Seriously you are trashing D2 and pimp'n those schedules.  Have you looked at the Ten St and ETSU schedules..

Here are TSU wins: 127 (+20), 125 (+13), 100 (+4), 69 (+4), 83 (+24), 105 (+13), 89 (+25), 72 (+3), 27 (+7) - that is one win in the top 70.  It would have been a recieving votes team.

Here are ETSU wins:  107 (+7), 26 (+3), 55 (+17), 58 (+3), 62 (+17), and something called UVA-Wise - that is one win in the top 50.  It would have been a recieving votes team.

NDSU is bragging about the nonconference - If you watched the ETSU game, they should have lost.

Again, I’m not talking about the talent level. Augustana is probably pretty close to a lot of lower tier FCS teams. It’s unfortunate that they had to play D2 teams, and I think it wasn’t SDSU or USD first choice as teams bailed on them. Right or wrong the committee has always looked at the number of D1 wins as a method of evaluation for these teams.

[wheelsup]

5 hours ago, bison73 said:

We beat SDSU heads up. SDSU beat USD.

make sure you ignore the pertinent fact where you lost to USD in the last game of the year.. I guess it was a quality loss.

[FSSD]

10 hours ago, Yote 53 said:

Regarding SOS, some people are like "you should have known better than to schedule..."  Well, what is a school supposed to do when they get faced with a late cancellation and can't find a replacement game?  We played Northern in week zero on a Thursday night before Labor Day because we couldn't find anything else.  I believe SDSU had the same situation with Augie.  We both just tried to make the best of it by playing a regional school.  The alternative was just not playing at all.  What exactly was USD supposed to do about the Portland State situation?  They cancelled the game because of whooping cough.  We were there and ready to play.  The game should have been a forfeit, though I don't think the committee would have given any weight to that anyway.

I think the issue for most USD fans is we went into that game a 1 v 4 matchup.  We came out of that matchup with a win and the seedings ended up 2 & 4.  We got absolutely no credit for winning, but would have been punished and dropped maybe to 8 or 9, for losing.  While NDSU did not get punished at all for a loss.  There is no difference between a 1 & 2 seed in these playoffs.  Either one gets you a home semifinal.

In the end, most USD fans are fine with a 4 seed.  If we can't be #2 with a home semifinal game, then #4 and going to MSU is preferable than being the #3 and having to play either of the SU's again on the road.  Rather see some new meat than fight another battle with a conference opponent.  Seems like every year we had previously been in the playoffs it turned into a MVFC tournament.  Playing a bunch of non-MVFC schools is preferable in the playoffs.

You nailed it - if USD couldn't get #2 - they got the best possible out come.  It is going to come down to Mellott vs USD LBs.  Are the yotes healthy at LB? 

[siouxweet]

1 hour ago, FSSD said:

Seriously you are trashing D2 and pimp'n those schedules.  Have you looked at the Ten St and ETSU schedules..

Here are TSU wins: 127 (+20), 125 (+13), 100 (+4), 69 (+4), 83 (+24), 105 (+13), 89 (+25), 72 (+3), 27 (+7) - that is one win in the top 70.  It would have been a recieving votes team.

Here are ETSU wins:  107 (+7), 26 (+3), 55 (+17), 58 (+3), 62 (+17), and something called UVA-Wise - that is one win in the top 50.  It would have been a recieving votes team.

NDSU is bragging about the nonconference - If you watched the ETSU game, they should have lost.

By that last statement USD should have lost on Saturday then.

[FSSD]

1 hour ago, siouxweet said:

By that last statement USD should have lost on Saturday then.

I think your missing USD vs NDSU was #1 vs #4...   the other was #2 vs unranked.  It shouldn't have been close.  The #1 vs #4 is expected to be close.  That is the difference.

[The Sicatoka]

16 hours ago, bison73 said:

We beat SDSU heads up. SDSU beat USD.

And USD beat NDSU. 

Classic roundabout. 

[nd1sufan]

12 hours ago, FSSD said:

You nailed it - if USD couldn't get #2 - they got the best possible out come.  It is going to come down to Mellott vs USD LBs.  Are the yotes healthy at LB? 

It’s gonna come down to can Montana State stop the RB Thies. The USD QB is too soft to play in the cold. If he gets pressured at all and sacked he will fold like a tent.

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

And USD beat NDSU. 

Classic roundabout. 

Home team won a tight one in each? Then you look at other games. NDSU wins that clearly.

[Johnny Five]

50 minutes ago, nd1sufan said:

It’s gonna come down to can Montana State stop the RB Thies. The USD QB is too soft to play in the cold. If he gets pressured at all and sacked he will fold like a tent.

Thies is a brick sh*thouse to bring down.  Super impressive.  

[FSSD]

3 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

Home team won a tight one in each? Then you look at other games. NDSU wins that clearly.

How so, the next best wins goes to SDSU with them beating a #6.  NDSU is clinging to an ISU-R win.  ISU-R is a bad team.  SDSU looks slightly better to me because of the Incarnate Word win.  At worst a draw.

Non conference: 

SDSU:  8 - Incarnate Word, 29 - SE La, Augie, L to OSU

NDSU:  30 ETSU, 31 - Towson, 46 - Ten St., L to Buffs. 

Conference:

SDSU: 9,22,28,42 YSU, 56,110 - removed NDSU and USD games

NDSU: 9,11 ISU-R,22,28,56,110 - removed SDSU and USD games

And ISU-R is highly overrated: 

They played and beat N. Alabama, W. Ill, E Ill in nonconference and didn't play either of the South Dakota schools this year.  Conference wins:  SIU, MuSU, YSU, UNI, ISU-B and UND.  They don't even have a quality loss this year.  Outside of the top three team in MVFC.  The conference was way down this year.  And Both xDSU schools beat Missouri St.

[NDRA]

Who really cares where Moo U got seeded?  Seems to show jealousy to me.  Plenty of things to worry about with this program.

[geaux_sioux]

28 minutes ago, FSSD said:

How so, the next best wins goes to SDSU with them beating a #6.  NDSU is clinging to an ISU-R win.  ISU-R is a bad team.  SDSU looks slightly better to me because of the Incarnate Word win.  At worst a draw.

Non conference: 

SDSU:  8 - Incarnate Word, 29 - SE La, Augie, L to OSU

NDSU:  30 ETSU, 31 - Towson, 46 - Ten St., L to Buffs. 

Conference:

SDSU: 9,22,28,42 YSU, 56,110 - removed NDSU and USD games

NDSU: 9,11 ISU-R,22,28,56,110 - removed SDSU and USD games

And ISU-R is highly overrated: 

They played and beat N. Alabama, W. Ill, E Ill in nonconference and didn't play either of the South Dakota schools this year.  Conference wins:  SIU, MuSU, YSU, UNI, ISU-B and UND.  They don't even have a quality loss this year.  Outside of the top three team in MVFC.  The conference was way down this year.  And Both xDSU schools beat Missouri St.

NDSU had a tight game against a ranked FBS team and didn’t play a D2. 

[Bison06]

48 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

NDSU had a tight game against a ranked FBS team and didn’t play a D2. 

And beat 3 playoff teams. Not sure why this is even a discussion honestly.

Augie could become DII national champs and in the eyes of the committee, NDSU beating Tennessee state is a better win than SDSU beating Augie.

[FSSD]

2 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

NDSU had a tight game against a ranked FBS team and didn’t play a D2. 

A quality loss?  OK.

[FSSD]

2 hours ago, Bison06 said:

And beat 3 playoff teams. Not sure why this is even a discussion honestly.

Augie could become DII national champs and in the eyes of the committee, NDSU beating Tennessee state is a better win than SDSU beating Augie.

SDSU - #4 USD, #6 Incarnate Word, non Playoff Team SE La. (MR 29/SR 32 - 50.50) NOTE:  SE La. 4 wins against Top70.  Two FBS games more than likely kept them out of the playoffs.

NDSU - #3 SDSU, #12 ISU-r, nonSeed Ten St (MR 46/SR 39 - 49.51)  NOTE:  Ten St 1 win against a Top 70 Team - No FBS games - and bakery full of cup cakes.  Ten St. in the playoffs pure politics.

Your 3 playoff team is pure BS.

Massey Ranking - MR

Saragin Rating - SR

[Bison06]

44 minutes ago, FSSD said:

SDSU - #4 USD, #6 Incarnate Word, non Playoff Team SE La. (MR 29/SR 32 - 50.50) NOTE:  SE La. 4 wins against Top70.  Two FBS games more than likely kept them out of the playoffs.

NDSU - #3 SDSU, #12 ISU-r, nonSeed Ten St (MR 46/SR 39 - 49.51)  NOTE:  Ten St 1 win against a Top 70 Team - No FBS games - and bakery full of cup cakes.  Ten St. in the playoffs pure politics.

Your 3 playoff team is pure BS.

Massey Ranking - MR

Saragin Rating - SR

It’s funny you keep having this discussion and yet we already know how the committee ranked these teams. The outcome is already decided and you want to re-litigate it, for what purpose? Clearly the committee, whose job it is to rank these teams discounted SDSU SoS. If anything, you arguing that SDSU had a better SoS than NDSU only further bolsters my point that the committee discounted SDSU for the DII game.

[JohnboyND7]

12 hours ago, geaux_sioux said:

Home team won a tight one in each? Then you look at other games. NDSU wins that clearly.

Yep. The teams all had an opportunity to separate themselves from the pack and failed to do so. The committee got left with a bag of crap to sort out. I think they probably got it right. 

I think each team is probably fine with the outcome. USD gets to go to Bozeman if they win. Thats a reward to not have to play either NDSU or SDSU again.

SDSU isn't afraid of going to Fargo at this point. NDSU gets to play at home, which sure beats going to Brookings that time of year.

[JohnboyND7]

4 hours ago, FSSD said:

A quality loss?  OK.

I do not know the extent that committee considers FBS losses, but I imagine losing a close one at Colorado probably helped more than hindered NDSU.

[gfhockey]

Stevie Mandel must reed this forum

it’s catching on

The committee is so wed to the loss column it has 9-2 Tulane seven spots above an 8-3 K-State team that beat Tulane on its home field -- which was the best team Tulane has faced.

(Though I still contend Tulane got jobbed by the refs.)