Popular Post UND08 Posted February 20 Popular Post Share Posted February 20 33 minutes ago, NewUndFan said: I would say Sather's biggest recruitment was Eaglestaff and he got BJ and Eli here. The only reason Treyson came here is because of his uncle that played here. So No extensions for Sather. Most of our good fortune started with Treyson's commitment and it had nothing to do with Sather. Go back and look at the video when he committed. What about the fact that Omot and Eaglestaff are still here?!? Maybe you're right (I doubt it) that Eaglestaff only committed to UND because of his legacy...but a coach he doesn't want to play for would have chased him out awfully quick. Recruiting isn't only about who you bring in each year...it's about who you KEEP here. That's where we are nowadays in the world of college basketball... Since a 6 win season in 2021-22, we've improved to 13 wins, and now 17 and counting, with a core of the team being made up of sophomores and juniors (not sure what's left for COVID years). If you look at Sather's career trajectory this isn't unfamiliar territory for him. His approach seems to require patience...which I'll admit I wasn't sure we'd have being a D1 program. That said...he's won everywhere he's been...and the arc is looking good for the program. Hope we have a big finish to the season and are talking extensions at the end of the year (because we don't want to lose him). 1 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post forksandspoons Posted February 20 Popular Post Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, UND08 said: What about the fact that Omot and Eaglestaff are still here?!? Maybe you're right (I doubt it) that Eaglestaff only committed to UND because of his legacy...but a coach he doesn't want to play for would have chased him out awfully quick. Recruiting isn't only about who you bring in each year...it's about who you KEEP here. That's where we are nowadays in the world of college basketball... Since a 6 win season in 2021-22, we've improved to 13 wins, and now 17 and counting, with a core of the team being made up of sophomores and juniors (not sure what's left for COVID years). If you look at Sather's career trajectory this isn't unfamiliar territory for him. His approach seems to require patience...which I'll admit I wasn't sure we'd have being a D1 program. That said...he's won everywhere he's been...and the arc is looking good for the program. Hope we have a big finish to the season and are talking extensions at the end of the year (because we don't want to lose him). I hope UND leaders and supporters do everything they can to keep this core of players together for the next two seasons. Basketball has such a high return on investment if you're fielding a really good team consistently. Massive untapped potential with basketball. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewUndFan Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, UND08 said: What about the fact that Omot and Eaglestaff are still here?!? Maybe you're right (I doubt it) that Eaglestaff only committed to UND because of his legacy...but a coach he doesn't want to play for would have chased him out awfully quick. Recruiting isn't only about who you bring in each year...it's about who you KEEP here. That's where we are nowadays in the world of college basketball... Since a 6 win season in 2021-22, we've improved to 13 wins, and now 17 and counting, with a core of the team being made up of sophomores and juniors (not sure what's left for COVID years). If you look at Sather's career trajectory this isn't unfamiliar territory for him. His approach seems to require patience...which I'll admit I wasn't sure we'd have being a D1 program. That said...he's won everywhere he's been...and the arc is looking good for the program. Hope we have a big finish to the season and are talking extensions at the end of the year (because we don't want to lose him). Like his recruitment was so great before and player retention was awesome... Do you only follow hockey? I am saying by Treyson having his legacy and coming here he attracted better players that wanted to play with him. I am not saying Sather is such a bad guy that players want to jump ship. I am saying he was lucky to get Treyson and things fell into place. Up until then he didnt show he knew how to recruit division one players and many players left the program. I have still not seen that we are running plays. Looks more like we have athletes that know how play and are good at one on one. I really like the team we have now and next year I think it will be even better. But if you give all credit now after 4 bad years to Sather I am not sold yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewUndFan Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, UND08 said: What about the fact that Omot and Eaglestaff are still here?!? Maybe you're right (I doubt it) that Eaglestaff only committed to UND because of his legacy...but a coach he doesn't want to play for would have chased him out awfully quick. Recruiting isn't only about who you bring in each year...it's about who you KEEP here. That's where we are nowadays in the world of college basketball... Since a 6 win season in 2021-22, we've improved to 13 wins, and now 17 and counting, with a core of the team being made up of sophomores and juniors (not sure what's left for COVID years). If you look at Sather's career trajectory this isn't unfamiliar territory for him. His approach seems to require patience...which I'll admit I wasn't sure we'd have being a D1 program. That said...he's won everywhere he's been...and the arc is looking good for the program. Hope we have a big finish to the season and are talking extensions at the end of the year (because we don't want to lose him). And Eaglestaff isnt leaving he said he is chasing his uncles record and Omot... I would be surprised if he is still here next. I hope he is because next year would be fun! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 21 minutes ago, NewUndFan said: And Eaglestaff isnt leaving he said he is chasing his uncles record and Omot... I would be surprised if he is still here next. I hope he is because next year would be fun! It would be nice if Chaves would allow us to get the NL going so we can get Omot a Corvette 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Teeder11 Posted February 20 Popular Post Share Posted February 20 8 minutes ago, gfhockey said: It would be nice if Chaves would allow us to get the NL going so we can get Omot a Corvette Remind me again how Chaves is preventing it? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, NewUndFan said: Like his recruitment was so great before and player retention was awesome... Do you only follow hockey? I am saying by Treyson having his legacy and coming here he attracted better players that wanted to play with him. I am not saying Sather is such a bad guy that players want to jump ship. I am saying he was lucky to get Treyson and things fell into place. Up until then he didnt show he knew how to recruit division one players and many players left the program. I have still not seen that we are running plays. Looks more like we have athletes that know how play and are good at one on one. I really like the team we have now and next year I think it will be even better. But if you give all credit now after 4 bad years to Sather I am not sold yet. How was he lucky to get Eaglestaff? What other others were there for him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewUndFan Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 17 minutes ago, UND1983 said: How was he lucky to get Eaglestaff? What other others were there for him That his Uncle Played here and not NDSU Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 3 minutes ago, NewUndFan said: That his Uncle Played here and not NDSU Legacy does not automatically equal commitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fightingsioux4life Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 minutes ago, homer said: Legacy does not automatically equal commitment. It sure doesn't. Otherwise, Trey Feeney would have chosen NDSU FB over UND. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewUndFan Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 It does when it comes out of Treyson's mouth he didnt wait for any other offers. I was wrong it was his grandfather that played. I follow basketball all year around not just during the season. This is my school, I got to follow some legacy at least,” Eaglestaff said. “They’re division 1, I’ll get a full ride without my mom paying for school. That’s all I want to do cause she did so much for me. I got the offer in, I think it was January, definitely it was January or February. Then I asked my mom, cause I was freaking out, I was like, ‘should I just commit now?’ And she was like, ‘no you got to wait. What if you want to go bigger or something like that?’ I was like, I wouldn’t imagine myself anywhere else. I love the coaching staff there and everything else.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak78 Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 2 hours ago, UND08 said: What about the fact that Omot and Eaglestaff are still here?!? Maybe you're right (I doubt it) that Eaglestaff only committed to UND because of his legacy...but a coach he doesn't want to play for would have chased him out awfully quick. Recruiting isn't only about who you bring in each year...it's about who you KEEP here. That's where we are nowadays in the world of college basketball... Since a 6 win season in 2021-22, we've improved to 13 wins, and now 17 and counting, with a core of the team being made up of sophomores and juniors (not sure what's left for COVID years). If you look at Sather's career trajectory this isn't unfamiliar territory for him. His approach seems to require patience...which I'll admit I wasn't sure we'd have being a D1 program. That said...he's won everywhere he's been...and the arc is looking good for the program. Hope we have a big finish to the season and are talking extensions at the end of the year (because we don't want to lose him). This is an excellent post of reality. This team is playing tough defense and winning the boards. The offense creates opportunity to get to the hoop. Tyree coming back proves very good players like and believe his system. That was a tough sell past few seasons providing dividends this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxBoys Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 4 minutes ago, NewUndFan said: This is my school, I got to follow some legacy at least,” Eaglestaff said. “They’re division 1, I’ll get a full ride without my mom paying for school. That’s all I want to do cause she did so much for me. I got the offer in, I think it was January, definitely it was January or February. Then I asked my mom, cause I was freaking out, I was like, ‘should I just commit now?’ And she was like, ‘no you got to wait. What if you want to go bigger or something like that?’ I was like, I wouldn’t imagine myself anywhere else. I love the coaching staff there and everything else.” ...well... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewUndFan Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 9 minutes ago, SiouxBoys said: ...well... Didnt I say before that I think Sather is a nice guy and maybe even a players coach? That doesnt mean he is a good coach. Most homers on here look at everything with rose colored glasses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 1 hour ago, Teeder11 said: Remind me again how Chaves is preventing it? He is on record saying “I want to sit back take a look and evaluate the landscape. Then think philosophical and maybe form a committee with Erik leading it! “ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post UND08 Posted February 20 Popular Post Share Posted February 20 37 minutes ago, NewUndFan said: Didnt I say before that I think Sather is a nice guy and maybe even a players coach? That doesnt mean he is a good coach. Most homers on here look at everything with rose colored glasses. Well...maybe I'm wrong on this, but in my opinion his 282-151 career record prior to his coming to Grand Forks gives me the inclination that the guy knows what he's doing. Lord knows I've had nightmares about the guy getting canned at UND and then going somewhere else and just sticking it to us regularly. I did say earlier that his approach requires patience. You can see it in his prior stops that years 4-6 are where he gets it going. Many D1 programs aren't so patient...and I get that. Thing is...UND doesn't support basketball like it's a D1 program (a MAJOR mistake in my opinion). If you aren't going to give a coach everything he needs in this modern world to get it done...then you better give him some time to build a program the "old fashioned way." It'll be funny when Sather gets this program to the Dance either this year or next (assuming he keeps the core together) and then bolts at the first higher offer he gets. I can't say I'd blame him...this is not a Bubba situation, the program is trending in the right direction with a core of players that have an opportunity to make multiple trips to the Big Dance if they stay together. And in regards to your frustration with "not running plays"...I've watched my nephew play a lot of high school basketball this year. Every night, his dad and grandpa yell from the stands about crashing the glass when a teammate drives, or helping on d when an opponent is driving. The poor kid has told his dad and grandpa multiple times this year that they are taught NOT TO DO THAT (ie don't leave a shooter or crowd the lane)...which is much different then how things used to be done. Point is...basketball is changing...it's evolving...and I'm willing to give the coach of the first place team in our conference the benefit of the doubt (although I wish we had another shooter or two in order to help spread out opposing defenses...but hopefully that comes!). 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted February 20 Share Posted February 20 On 2/18/2024 at 9:06 AM, Nodak78 said: This team is playing with a mission. They could be playing for a championship and dancing. However, the standing so close top 5-6 teams could win the tournament. If I could get the time off I would attend this year potentially so many good games available. It was fun. UND has a hospitality room with refreshments and a great chance to visit with like-minded fans and meet the parents of the players and not saying that things can't change, but based on conversations I was in, I came away feeling confident we were not going to lose any of our young stars - which proved true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux24/7 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 5 hours ago, NewUndFan said: Like his recruitment was so great before and player retention was awesome... Do you only follow hockey? I am saying by Treyson having his legacy and coming here he attracted better players that wanted to play with him. I am not saying Sather is such a bad guy that players want to jump ship. I am saying he was lucky to get Treyson and things fell into place. Up until then he didnt show he knew how to recruit division one players and many players left the program. I have still not seen that we are running plays. Looks more like we have athletes that know how play and are good at one on one. I really like the team we have now and next year I think it will be even better. But if you give all credit now after 4 bad years to Sather I am not sold yet. Heh? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewUndFan Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 44 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said: Heh? You think he had some great division one players when he started? I can start with the kid from Montana. Most of the players that left all went to division 2 schools. Kind of tells me not great division one recruits . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 3 hours ago, CMSioux said: It was fun. UND has a hospitality room with refreshments and a great chance to visit with like-minded fans and meet the parents of the players and not saying that things can't change, but based on conversations I was in, I came away feeling confident we were not going to lose any of our young stars - which proved true. What kind of resfreshmens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux24/7 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 40 minutes ago, NewUndFan said: You think he had some great division one players when he started? I can start with the kid from Montana. Most of the players that left all went to division 2 schools. Kind of tells me not great division one recruits . I’m not saying every kid was D1 worthy but it didn’t start with Trey. Tyree was certainly D1 worthy. Bruns was D1 worthy, as much as I hate him. I think Sims was D1 worthy, he just made some poor decisions. Nero was D1 worthy, but he fell off a cliff. Danielson is D1 worthy, even with as much flack as he gets. Norman was D1 worthy. T is D1 worthy. Brooks some would say is D1 worthy. You can argue some of those (I know some will with Brady and I’m not trying to say he’s D1 starter or even regular mins but he can play D1 (low major) ball). My main point is this didn’t start with Trey. Sather has been able to get some talented kids here. Landing Trey may have been easy but it wasn’t just a complete shoe-in and Trey wasn’t the only determinant in getting BJ and Eli here. All the legacy and all that helped but some credit is due to Sather and co. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DL Sioux Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 4 hours ago, NewUndFan said: rose colored glasses. What colored glasses do the constant naysayers wear??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxBoys Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 9 hours ago, NewUndFan said: I would say Sather's biggest recruitment was Eaglestaff and he got BJ and Eli here. The only reason Treyson came here is because of his uncle that played here. So No extensions for Sather. Most of our good fortune started with Treyson's commitment and it had nothing to do with Sather. Go back and look at the video when he committed. You posted this, then posted Treyson's quote saying "I love the coaching staff there". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SIOUXFAN97 Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 2 hours ago, sioux24/7 said: I’m not saying every kid was D1 worthy but it didn’t start with Trey. Tyree was certainly D1 worthy. Bruns was D1 worthy, as much as I hate him. I think Sims was D1 worthy, he just made some poor decisions. Nero was D1 worthy, but he fell off a cliff. Danielson is D1 worthy, even with as much flack as he gets. Norman was D1 worthy. T is D1 worthy. Brooks some would say is D1 worthy. You can argue some of those (I know some will with Brady and I’m not trying to say he’s D1 starter or even regular mins but he can play D1 (low major) ball). My main point is this didn’t start with Trey. Sather has been able to get some talented kids here. Landing Trey may have been easy but it wasn’t just a complete shoe-in and Trey wasn’t the only determinant in getting BJ and Eli here. All the legacy and all that helped but some credit is due to Sather and co. Brady D1... Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FightingSiouxHawks Posted February 21 Share Posted February 21 What offers did Treyson have in high school? ACU and UND??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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