Future of the UND Football Program

[The Sicatoka]

29 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

You realize that if ...

Every UND loss (save for USU) has a "you realize that if ..." moment in it that turned the game against UND, and those were manageable or plannable moments. 

[jdub27]

2 hours ago, iramurphy said:

Sorry, it was $10,000,000

Didn't Altru end up match that donation?
https://fightinghawks.com/sports/2012/8/29/205670708.aspx

 

28 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

Looks like NDSU has two. https://gobison.com/sports/football/coaches

And their fans complain about clock management and decisions made during the course of a game more than ours!

 

20 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

Do you not understand the definition of "game management"? 

Well, based on your assessment of the final offensive drive of the season, it is clear you don't.

[UND1983]

2 minutes ago, GoHawks said:

This the same guy who had 165 yards and 3 TD who was the main reason UND was in position to win the game??

Correct and if he doesn't fumble UND more than likely wins the game due to his earlier heroics. 

[UND1983]

2 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Every UND loss (save for USU) has a "you realize that if ..." moment in it that turned the game against UND, and those were manageable or plannable moments. 

I would say a fumble when a team is trying to run out the clock is pretty damn high on the list of things to blame, rather than if we had taken X more secs per play off they clock they would've only had X secs left, etc.  They still would've had plenty of time regardless.  

MSU would've had to use both of their timeouts if Otis doesn't fumble.  Instead he fumbles and they have two TO's left and over a minute.  

[Sioux94]

40 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

Can we please stay in the lane where we blame Tommy for everything?  Thanks in advance.

Ok this actually made me laugh out loud 

[Midwestern Hawk]

19 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Didn't Altru end up match that donation?
https://fightinghawks.com/sports/2012/8/29/205670708.aspx

 

And their fans complain about clock management and decisions made during the course of a game more than ours!

 

Well, based on your assessment of the final offensive drive of the season, it is clear you don't.

How’d that drive turn out?  How’d that game turnout?  How’d the season turnout?  
 

To some of you it’s just “bad luck”.   The Bison have just been incredibly lucky the last 10 years too.
 

 

 

[The Sicatoka]

20 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

I would say a fumble when a team is trying to run out the clock is pretty damn high on the list of things to blame, rather than if we had taken X more secs per play off they clock they would've only had X secs left, etc.  They still would've had plenty of time regardless.  

MSU would've had to use both of their timeouts if Otis doesn't fumble.  Instead he fumbles and they have two TO's left and over a minute.  

Otis fumbled ... which time in the fourth quarter?
https://fightinghawks.com/sports/football/stats/2021/missouri-state/boxscore/10387

4th and 2 at MSU29

Weah, Otis rush up middle for loss of 8 yards to the MSU37, fumble by Weah, Otis recovered by MSU Moore,Dimitri at MSU37.

or 

2nd and 6 at MSU23

Weah, Otis rush over right end for loss of 2 yards to the MSU25, fumble forced by Young,Von, fumble by Weah, Otis recovered by MSU Johnson,Eric at MSU24.

 

The coaches kept him in to fumble the second time. 

[jdub27]

3 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said:

How’d that drive turn out?  How’d that game turnout?  How’d the season turnout?  

How that drive turned out had nothing to do with clock management despite your willingness to die on that hill.

[Midwestern Hawk]

2 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

How that drive turned out had nothing to do with clock management despite your willingness to die on that hill.

Not the drive, just the game and season.  Duh....

[UND1983]

3 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Otis fumbled ... which time in the fourth quarter?
https://fightinghawks.com/sports/football/stats/2021/missouri-state/boxscore/10387

4th and 2 at MSU29

Weah, Otis rush up middle for loss of 8 yards to the MSU37, fumble by Weah, Otis recovered by MSU Moore,Dimitri at MSU37.

or 

2nd and 6 at MSU23

Weah, Otis rush over right end for loss of 2 yards to the MSU25, fumble forced by Young,Von, fumble by Weah, Otis recovered by MSU Johnson,Eric at MSU24.

 

The coaches kept him in to fumble the second time. 

So they should've pulled Otis for the rest of the game after the first fumble?  Another bad coaching decision!!

[Midwestern Hawk]

24 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

I would say a fumble when a team is trying to run out the clock is pretty damn high on the list of things to blame, rather than if we had taken X more secs per play off they clock they would've only had X secs left, etc.  They still would've had plenty of time regardless.  

MSU would've had to use both of their timeouts if Otis doesn't fumble.  Instead he fumbles and they have two TO's left and over a minute.  

Plenty of time? Are you by chance Bubba's quality control coach?

[The Sicatoka]

2 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

So they should've pulled Otis for the rest of the game after the first fumble?  Another bad coaching decision!!

What's the data say about Otis and fatigue late in games? Does he become fumble prone as carries go up? Should Ziebarth have been brought in fresh to "two-arm" a couple carries to give Otis another minute or two to recover? What's the data say? 

[Siouxperdouper]

Altru nixed 10 million to UND from Sanford so I'm sure that won't happen but you never know.  Hopefully Altru will become Sanford.

 

[UND1983]

1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said:

What's the data say about Otis and fatigue late in games? Does he become fumble prone as carries go up? Should Ziebarth have been brought in fresh to "two-arm" a couple carries to give Otis another minute or two to recover? What's the data say? 

What data?  Where is this data that teams spit out which calculates what you spoke of?

[TheFlop]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

Like he did 3 times before?  

That's right, my bad.  I forgot that a barely above .500 career record and making the playoffs 3 out of 8 years is good enough for some fans.  

[The Sicatoka]

1 minute ago, UND1983 said:

What data?  Where is this data that teams spit out which calculates what you spoke of?

Exactly. ^^^^^^^

See the problem?

If you don't chart it and track it you don't know.

Does Otis tend to fumble later in games, or early? Does he just need the reminder to go down rather than fight and spin depending on game situation?

Quality control. 

 

[Midwestern Hawk]

49 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Every UND loss (save for USU) has a "you realize that if ..." moment in it that turned the game against UND, and those were manageable or plannable moments. 

100%

[UND1983]

8 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Exactly. ^^^^^^^

See the problem?

If you don't chart it and track it you don't know.

Does Otis tend to fumble later in games, or early? Does he just need the reminder to go down rather than fight and spin depending on game situation?

Quality control. 

 

Oh ok.  holy sh*t.  

[The Sicatoka]

Any good engineer, accountant, finance guy, or QC/QA person will tell you ... if you don't chart it and track it you don't know, and you can't manage it. 

 

I guarantee you they know Tommy's passing efficiency in each of the "six zones". (left middle right, short and long)

Or do they. 

[Oxbow6]

I for one look forward to more timeouts before a play is run coming out of halftime, punting inside our opponents 40 on 4th and 1 or 2 to gain at best 19 yards of field position, more 2 yard swing passes on 3rd and 8 and going for it on 4th down deep in our own territory with a lead.

[petey23]

23 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

So they should've pulled Otis for the rest of the game after the first fumble?  Another bad coaching decision!!

The 4th down fumble botched handoff, bad pitch...not sure which and it didn't seem like Otis and Bo knew what it was supposed to be either was going to be a change of possession anyway as the terrible play call took us 8 yards behind the line of scrimmage on 4th and short.

[UND1983]

1 hour ago, petey23 said:

The 4th down fumble botched handoff, bad pitch...not sure which and it didn't seem like Otis and Bo knew what it was supposed to be either was going to be a change of possession anyway as the terrible play call took us 8 yards behind the line of scrimmage on 4th and short.

That was another play but yes that play call would've been pretty cool if it worked.  But it didn't so can easily be second guessed.  

[The Sicatoka]

8 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

That was another play but yes that play call would've been pretty cool if it worked.  But it didn't so can easily be second guessed.  

 

QC/QA analysis says ... see: reverse, Richmond, 2016.

We have history on that kind of play (ball deep in backfield, multiple hands on it) in a pressure situation with a lead. 

[SiouxFan100]

Is this bubba’s last job?

pains me too much to go back game by game and rehash. Most times I thought we were very good but bu but but but ……..

 I don’t know what the answer is?

[Midwestern Hawk]

1 hour ago, UND1983 said:

That was another play but yes that play call would've been pretty cool if it worked.  But it didn't so can easily be second guessed.  

It was dumb.  It was 4th and 2 at the MSU 29 and we ran a play where the ball had to be touched by 4 players.  I would love to see how many times it was run in practice and how many of those times it was run seamlessly and how many times it was not.   

Que up Sicatoka's Quality control coach. 

Based on what i saw on the replay it didn't even look as though Otis and Belquist were entirely sure if there portion was supposed to be a handoff or a pitch.