UND-FB-FAN Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 8 hours ago, iramurphy said: He as had talent at QB. I believe Feeney has that ability. We all must believe that, and hopefully see it become reality, or else … 2021 true freshman season would be asking a lot from him, and he would lose his redshirt, so 2022 would be the target season to see what he can do. 2021 it is either Schuster or Quincy Vaughn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 7 hours ago, nodak651 said: Fixed your post. UND needs to improve at both QB and offensive line. Discouraging since most recent changes to offense per Bubba was hiring new offensive coordinator (Freund) and offensive line coach (Pawlak) in 2018. Results thus far have been only average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 I think Tommy or any QB is going to be as good as the OL allows. Babak is new to C. How many times did the timing of a play get disrupted bc of a high snap. That's an extra second or so to get the ball to Otis or find a received, and with a relatively porous line that second means a lot. Any word on Lotusz? He was the top C in the fall. And all of those calling for heads, how many players are gone to the transfer list as soon as that happens? Then you have another 3-5 years of a rebuild at which point the same chorus cries out for a new Coach. Rinse/repeat. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: UND needs to improve at both QB and offensive line. Discouraging since most recent changes to offense per Bubba was hiring new offensive coordinator (Freund) and offensive line coach (Pawlak) in 2018. Results thus far have been only average. Pawlak is an excellent addition. Danny should be ok. Not sure what happened yesterday, but we obviously need to get better fast. I know where the buck stops but we aren’t good enough to have mental errors, missed assignments, missed tackles. We knew we were missing some oline pieces. Let’s see if these guys can respond. Staff and players. Nothing we can do now about last two games. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, shep said: I think Tommy or any QB is going to be as good as the OL allows. Babak is new to C. How many times did the timing of a play get disrupted bc of a high snap. That's an extra second or so to get the ball to Otis or find a received, and with a relatively porous line that second means a lot. Any word on Lotusz? He was the top C in the fall. And all of those calling for heads, how many players are gone to the transfer list as soon as that happens? Then you have another 3-5 years of a rebuild at which point the same chorus cries out for a new Coach. Rinse/repeat. There will be players in the transfer portal this year again wether it’s bubba as coach or not some because of lack of playing time some because they think they are fbs caliber some because of,the current coaches Going to happen every year fans are frustrated because we just can’t seem to get to that next level, that’s why all the complaints Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 23 minutes ago, iramurphy said: Pawlak is an excellent addition. Danny should be ok. Not sure what happened yesterday, but we obviously need to get better fast. I know where the buck stops but we aren’t good enough to have mental errors, missed assignments, missed tackles. We knew we were missing some oline pieces. Let’s see if these guys can respond. Staff and players. Nothing we can do now about last two games. As they say, you are what your record says you are. UND is a losing football team, 2-3 overall, 0-2 in conference. Great people within coaching staff, for sure, but need to produce as per record. I attended game. Lackluster performance, no motivation or leadership. Perhaps letdown after NDSU game? Talked about all week, and looked to become reality. The last two games were conference games; the way the line looks and the mental fortitude of the team during these games should be weighed the most. On to Southern Illinois; improvements must be made schematically and mentally. Close consideration to personnel change (e.g., QB) as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said: We all must believe that, and hopefully see it become reality, or else … 2021 true freshman season would be asking a lot from him, and he would lose his redshirt, so 2022 would be the target season to see what he can do. 2021 it is either Schuster or Quincy Vaughn. If this side continues I think you play feeney the last 3 Games so he doesn’t lose his red shirt and gets experience in fall camp let them battle it out, if schuster wins it our stable of QBs is bad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 16 minutes ago, Kab said: If this side continues I think you play feeney the last 3 Games so he doesn’t lose his red shirt and gets experience in fall camp let them battle it out, if schuster wins it our stable of QBs is bad Forget about all the redshirt talk. Even before the portal, how many guys actually make it to a 5th year? its a new day in college football . Play the best players now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBR Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said: UND needs to improve at both QB and offensive line. Schuster has shown that he can make plays with protection from the offensive line. OL is the source of the current run of difficulties, along with the defensive secondary against Utah State. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 17 minutes ago, TBR said: Schuster has shown that he can make plays with protection from the offensive line. OL is the source of the current run of difficulties, along with the defensive secondary against Utah State. disagree to a degree; even in the spring, when the running game was shutdown (NDSU, JMU), Schuster couldn’t carry the team. Offensive line must improve, but good QBs cover up offensive line deficiencies. To ask for the OL to improve while tolerating mediocre QB play is backwards. See my previous post on settling for “adequate” quarterbacks. That’s not the way the game is played currently; QB is too important to team’s success or lack thereof. nonetheless, both areas (OL,QB) need to improve 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 13 minutes ago, Midwestern Hawk said: Forget about all the redshirt talk. Even before the portal, how many guys actually make it to a 5th year? its a new day in college football . Play the best players now. I agree, in my day everyone graduated in 4 years, at most 4 1/2 if you changed majors, I can’t imagine going 5 to 6 years to play sports And end up with a degree in university studies, each to our own Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 33 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: disagree to a degree; even in the spring, when the running game was shutdown (NDSU, JMU), Schuster couldn’t carry the team. Offensive line must improve, but good QBs cover up offensive line deficiencies. To ask for the OL to improve while tolerating mediocre QB play is backwards. See my previous post on settling for “adequate” quarterbacks. That’s not the way the game is played currently; QB is too important to team’s success or lack thereof. nonetheless, both areas (OL,QB) need to improve Do you see alot of QB that can carry their team without a running game? I don't 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDColorado Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 20 hours ago, UNDColorado said: This is fucking embarrassing. After a good night's sleep I haven't changed my mind. Disgusting. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 11 hours ago, Cratter said: Probably easier said than done. When was the last dynamic qb at UND? Has Bubba ever had one? Marcus Hendrickson was the last one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 10 hours ago, iramurphy said: He as had talent at QB. I believe Feeney has that ability. Max Gunderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 10 hours ago, nodak651 said: I have a lot to critique but there is so much bitching that It's not as enjoyable as usual to type it out, so I'll keep it short. Coaching staff needs to run some designed QB runs with no options for Tommy to throw. Force him to run and maybe he learns he doesn't need to play afraid. Also give him a chance to throw some more deep balls. He has thrown good deep balls when he has attemped them. Maybe we should only play one big receiver at a time? Our O-line is terrible and wasn't that great last spring either, which is partly the reason for so many short passing plays. Don't know how people can be ripping Otis so much when his first contact is usually before he make it to the line of scrimmage. Can we get a new strength coach yet? WHY IS OUR LINE ALWAYS SO SMALL!!!!!!!!!!! I want aware that our OL was small this year. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Do you see alot of QB that can carry their team without a running game? I don't A dynamic QB(5-10 called runs and scrambles a game), changes what the defense can and can't do. We have a QB right now that makes his first read and hits that receiver if he is open, usually within 15 yards of LOS unless the receiver is wide open. The offensive production(not counting Drake) has been beyond bad during the second half of the last 3 games. This is the same pattern from the last several games of the spring season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwestern Hawk Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 2 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said: disagree to a degree; even in the spring, when the running game was shutdown (NDSU, JMU), Schuster couldn’t carry the team. Offensive line must improve, but good QBs cover up offensive line deficiencies. To ask for the OL to improve while tolerating mediocre QB play is backwards. See my previous post on settling for “adequate” quarterbacks. That’s not the way the game is played currently; QB is too important to team’s success or lack thereof. nonetheless, both areas (OL,QB) need to improve Key drive yesterday was in 2nd quarter. Defense has adjust the offense has a good drive, USD leads 10-7. Defense forces a punt and the punt is blocked. Offense takes over at the USD 33 yard line. We score a TD at that moment and UND wins going away. Instead, incomplete pass to Richter in end zone, Otis for 4 yards and Tommy is sacked. An average QB doesn't take that sack, we had the ball at USD 29. Can we stop all the talk that Tommy has a weak arm, won't run, can't read defenses, can't see over the line..... but he doesn't make mistakes and is a "Winner". If Quincy and Feeney don't have more potential than Tommy, then we need to completely re-evaluate QB recruiting. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Irish Posted October 10, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted October 10, 2021 Lots of interesting discussion here about this team's weaknesses. For me though it's the eyeball test - Watching this group can be frustrating, bordering on painful. The continual offsides, the sloppy tackling, the missed assignments, the horrible clock management, the wasted time outs, our offensive play-calling that keeps no one guessing or off balance, and the totally bizarre game decisions among other things. At this level with an experienced coach we should at least be assignment sharp at this point in the season. And although individual players are responsible for things like, say, jumping offsides to start the game, ultimately this is a team problem that starts with the coaching staff. Bubba and company plain not getting it done. We went through 6 years of Muss and have had Bubba since 2014. Yet here we are. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dustin Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 So are we recruiting kids that can’t be coached, or can’t our coaches coach our recruits? I feel like recruiting has taken a good direction, especially the last couple classes. So what gives? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 50 minutes ago, UND1983 said: Do you see alot of QB that can carry their team without a running game? I don't I see a ton of QBs that ARE the running game. Offensive line always a factor, but don’t act like offenses around the country don’t rely some or a lot on the QB running game, which is absent at UND currently 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 49 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said: Marcus Hendrickson was the last one. Quite a few awards? How many years in the league? Damn, he was an amazing all-conference type guy for UND… alright, alright, I shouldn’t be so harsh; but really? Hendrickson? That mini-2012 run was a fluke, not the norm, or else he would’ve been a 4 year starter. Heck, he couldn’t even finish out the 2012 season as the starter Next question/answer … 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 12 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: Quite a few awards? How many years in the league? Damn, he was an amazing all-conference type guy for UND… alright, alright, I shouldn’t be so harsh; but really? Hendrickson? That mini-2012 run was a fluke, not the norm, or else he would’ve been a 4 year starter. Heck, he couldn’t even finish out the 2012 season as the starter Next question/answer … Thing is, you don’t know what you’re talking about here. The guy had wheels and an NFL caliber arm. Immaturity issues, not lack of talent, are what made his time at UND a spectacular blip on the radar. Go back and watch his game against San Diego St. He was dominant that game. Muss felt obligated to play the FBS transfer but our offense was better with Marcus. I could go on about this topic but I won’t waste my time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 28 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: I see a ton of QBs that ARE the running game. Offensive line always a factor, but don’t act like offenses around the country don’t rely some or a lot on the QB running game, which is absent at UND currently That's not what you said. Completely different topic. I want to know what QB's are carrying their teams when the running game is shut down. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kab Posted October 10, 2021 Share Posted October 10, 2021 Talking about leaders, look at some of the past digger, he always played hard and was vocal a defensive player by the name of Hendrickson, he was probably one of the most excitable players I’ve ever watched, he flew around like there was no tomorrow this team seems to be ho-hum, the most excitement I’ve seen was backup players when we played drake 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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