Goon Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 11 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: And now, North and South Dakota lead the nation in Covid-19 outbreaks per capita. Look what your ruling could do to the USA, oh great Chief Justice of the Soopreme Court of the internets. You should have stuck to crappy college hockey columns. Maybe you should stick to wearing your Snuggie eating s’mores and acting brave as an internet warrior in your mother’s basement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDlaw80 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 58 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: You just spelled it out. Authority --> Justification --> Mandate --> And they'd have to make their argument because there's nothing on the books. At this point, it must be noted that if they have to make a legal argument for it, they don't presently have authority to mandate. Because there's no past precedence for something ('nothing on the books') doesn't mean something is illegal. A legal argument only needs to be made in court if challenged. I mean Trump could issue a mask mandate tomorrow, the Dems would certainly legally agree with such. Boom, instant mask mandate. There you go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 6 minutes ago, 1972 said: see, its repeating stuff like this that makes you look stupid...positives do NOT mean hospitilization or for that matter, sick. we have more positives because we tested a record 10k+ people, witch, in it self, means nothing! Hospitalizations and deaths are what matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDlaw80 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 24 minutes ago, Goon said: The Governor that Isn’t interested in your mask mandate could turn around and tell you to pound sand up your ass. What are you going to do to him or her? South Dakota Governor Christie Noem didn’t shut down South Dakota and the Democrats had a stroke. Good. I think mask mandates should be a state decision. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said: Good. I think mask mandates should be a state decision. I agree. It’s called the 10th Amendment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Apparently, Democrats getting nervous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Maybe @UNDlaw80 can help us out here. Shouldn’t this person that caused the fire be held liable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDlaw80 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 minutes ago, Goon said: I agree. It’s called the 10th Amendment. If only Trump supporters felt the same as it pertains to the wall. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDlaw80 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 16 minutes ago, Goon said: Maybe @UNDlaw80 can help us out here. Shouldn’t this person that caused the fire be held liable. No clue what California law is. But I suspect they'd have to be doing something massively stupid for a negligence lawsuit to be brought against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 34 minutes ago, Goon said: Hospitalizations and deaths are what matters. Record number of hospitalizations reported this morning as well.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke1 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 43 minutes ago, 1972 said: see, its repeating stuff like this that makes you look stupid...positives do NOT mean hospitilization or for that matter, sick. we have more positives because we tested a record 10k+ people, witch, in it self, means nothing! No. Saying things like this actually makes you look stupid. But, you get a pass here because you are a cultist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 2 hours ago, Oxbow6 said: In the game of pin the tail on a moving donkey the CDC reverses course (for the 19th time) to recommended anyone in close contact with someone of documented Covid positive status needs to get tested even if the close contact individual is asymptomatic. #pickaf***inglane #noendgameinsight It's almost like the revision from a few weeks ago came from somewhere outside the CDC and was put in place despite some controversy. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/09/17/report-controversial-cdc-guidelines-discouraging-covid-19-testing-were-imposed-on-agency-by-hhs-and-white-house/ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke1 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 38 minutes ago, Goon said: Maybe you should stick to wearing your Snuggie eating s’mores and acting brave as an internet warrior in your mother’s basement. Gee whiz, gooney bird. You missed your nap again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke1 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 No surprise here. But, the cult will say otherwise. https://www.cnn.com/2020/09/18/politics/donald-trump-coronavirus-usps-cdc-hhs/index.html New revelations reinforce concerns that Trump's political motives are a higher priority than Americans' health Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: No. Saying things like this actually makes you look stupid. But, you get a pass here because you are a cultist. well, tell me, what does testing actually accomplish? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: Record number of hospitalizations reported this morning as well.... Yup....time for another lockdown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 9 minutes ago, jdub27 said: It's almost like the revision from a few weeks ago came from somewhere outside the CDC and was put in place despite some controversy. https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattperez/2020/09/17/report-controversial-cdc-guidelines-discouraging-covid-19-testing-were-imposed-on-agency-by-hhs-and-white-house/ Could be.........kind of like Redfield suggesting masks will still be more efficacious than a vaccine when it becomes available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 A positive test means that the criteria defined by the testing protocol have been satisfied. Nothing more, nothing less. Things a positive, qualitative test does NOT mean: - correlation with sickness - correlation with any particular symptom - correlation with infectiousness/contagiousness - whether one is on the up-swing, peak, or down-swing of infection - depending on sensitivity, whether there is any active infection present at all - depending on specificity, whether a particular organism is present - location, manner, or time of transmission - infallibility (the test, methodology, and human participants can each introduce error) - controls were properly followed 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1972 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 3 minutes ago, NoiseInsideMyHead said: A positive test means that the criteria defined by the testing protocol have been satisfied. Nothing more, nothing less. Things a positive, qualitative test does NOT mean: - correlation with sickness - correlation with any particular symptom - correlation with infectiousness/contagiousness - whether one is on the up-swing, peak, or down-swing of infection - depending on sensitivity, whether there is any active infection present at all - depending on specificity, whether a particular organism is present - location, manner, or time of transmission - infallibility (the test, methodology, and human participants can each introduce error) - controls were properly followed exactly, its a snapshot in time...thats it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 53 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said: Because there's no past precedence for something ('nothing on the books') doesn't mean something is illegal. A legal argument only needs to be made in court if challenged. I mean Trump could issue a mask mandate tomorrow, the Dems would certainly legally agree with such. Boom, instant mask mandate. There you go. But because there's no past precedence for something ('nothing on the books') doesn't mean something is legal either. What you're saying is we'd be in uncharted waters with no precedence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oxbow6 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 Was a kid that was sick and tested positive. He went back to school yesterday. Friends in "close contact". Quarantined. All those kids tested negative after 7 days. All asymptomatic the whole quarantine. First day back to school for them.....Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDBIZ Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 15 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said: Yup....time for another lockdown? That's not what I said. I was against the first lockdown and I doubt ND will lock down again in the next 30 years. But pretending ND isn't going through a little surge right now isn't going to help keep it contained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 41 minutes ago, UNDlaw80 said: If only Trump supporters felt the same as it pertains to the wall. "The Wall" is a foreign relations matter (the wall would go up between Arizona and sovereign Mexico, not Arizona and California). Foreign relations is Constitutionally (Article II) the Federal domain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxFan100 Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 How did we end up with these two? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoiseInsideMyHead Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 4 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said: That's not what I said. I was against the first lockdown and I doubt ND will lock down again in the next 30 years. But pretending ND isn't going through a little surge right now isn't going to help keep it contained. But a surge in what? Illness, or testing? Reporting positives and comparing to other locations (e.g., per 100k population) is meaningless if the other locations aren't testing at comparable levels. I'd put ND's numbers against anyone's so long as we're all willing to have a full and honest assessment with all cards on the table. Soundbite journalism is going to be the death of us all. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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