UND- NDSU GDT 9/7/2019

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, Mama Sue said:

I totally agree... it all goes back to money, either in the budget or donated. Yes we need to vent. Like I said... we just need to sleep on it.

Well, I can't disagree with that. I enjoy sleep! 

[shep]

56 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I didn't mention Bubba once in my comments.

The problem is that we don't have the facilities to compete consistently at the Division I level.

That falls squarely in the lap of UND's administration, which has provided rudderless leadership for a long time.

What you saw today, what you have seen over the past several years in other programs on campus, are the natural consequences of this leadership vacuum.

I agree with that. Very good points.

Of course, they will say that alums like us should be giving more

[geaux_sioux]

12 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

You know you've packed it when you see this.......

You have got to be f-ing kidding me

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[iramurphy]

5 minutes ago, Irish said:

I know you are an avid Sioux supporter and very knowledgeable about football and the program.  This appears to be a very sensible approach, but one I would feel better about if in the past any  measuring stick has been applied to Bubba and staff - otherwise how could we go on with Rudy for 5 years.  How could we have the worst second half playoff performance I have ever seen?  How could we put up with the play calling, lack of adjustments, and total collapse last year with a playoff spot on the line? Expect excellence?  I'm not seeing it.  More like hope for excellence, but oh well if we're not.  As a group have an incredible tolerance for mediocrity.  Don't believe me - watch me get a huge amount of crap for this assessment.  What we saw today was unacceptable - especially after 5 plus years of "rebuilding".  Our program has been wandering in the wilderness for over 10 years.  Time to expect excellence and really mean it this time.

Points well taken. I believe the Big Sky Championship in spite of the playoff flop bought them extra time. Over the Kupchella years we had a bright President who had very little interest nor understanding of athletics. Kelly had a better understanding but we wasted time and effort and resources dealing with the name and logo fiasco. It hurt his ability to focus his efforts in the areas of athletics where he needed to focus. His biggest blunder was failing to foster the Sanford relationship and offer of $10,000,000.  That was just “seed money” if you look at the tens of millions SDSU, USD,NDSU, Bemidji, Etc have received.  Look at the facilities at those schools and their communities. Kennedy was a politician who admired everything being done at his wife’s Alma Mater.  We lost the opportunity for Dave Fennell’s support when ‘Keefe and Harmon passed on Bollinger in favor of Bunning.  Faison failed to follow up on communication with Mayo Sports Medicine with regards to Phase 2.  You don’t need to convince me of leadership mistakes and missed opportunities with regards to athletics.  Will Josh Wynne help?  Chaves seems to understand our needs.  We don’t have anyone that I am aware of willing to provide the $50,000,000 necessary to finish phase 2 and provide the resources to double coaches salaries.  I believe that may be the source of our frustration and has slowed our progress.  

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, shep said:

I agree with that. Very good points.

Of course, they will say that alums like us should be giving more

We need to cultivate more relationships with potential donors not headquartered in Las Vegas. We cannot lean on one family to donate to our programs. Division I is just too expensive not to.

I really don't want us to become a school with great academics and research and lousy athletics. I honestly don't think we have to choose between one or the other. We can strive for greatness in all three of those areas.

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, iramurphy said:

Points well taken. I believe the Big Sky Championship in spite of the playoff flop bought them extra time. Over the Kupchella years we had a bright President who had very little interest nor understanding of athletics. Kelly had a better understanding but we wasted time and effort and resources dealing with the name and logo fiasco. It hurt his ability to focus his efforts in the areas of athletics where he needed to focus. His biggest blunder was failing to foster the Sanford relationship and offer of $10,000,000.  That was just “seed money” if you look at the tens of millions SDSU, USD,NDSU, Bemidji, Etc have received.  Look at the facilities at those schools and their communities. Kennedy was a politician who admired everything being done at his wife’s Alma Mater.  We lost the opportunity for Dave Fennell’s support when ‘Keefe and Harmon passed on Bollinger in favor of Bunning.  Faison failed to follow up on communication with Mayo Sports Medicine with regards to Phase 2.  You don’t need to convince me of leadership mistakes and missed opportunities with regards to athletics.  Will Josh Wynne help?  Chaves seems to understand our needs.  We don’t have anyone that I am aware of willing to provide the $50,000,000 necessary to finish phase 2 and provide the resources to double coaches salaries.  I believe that may be the source of our frustration and has slowed our progress.  

This is where cultivating new potential donors is crucial to moving us forward and not backward. The new President and Chaves will need to hit some home runs, along with some singles and doubles in this area. Also, the Alumni Association needs to stop leaving athletics out of the fundraising agenda. They just announced a record amount of money raised and I bet little to none of it will help athletics. I truly believe we can be great in academics, athletics and research. We just need strong leaders in the right places.

[iramurphy]

3 minutes ago, shep said:

I agree with that. Very good points.

Of course, they will say that alums like us should be giving more

That is true everywhere. I get requests from U of Mn and Wisconsin regularly.  It takes money to provide all of the resources to upgrade salaries, facilities, equipment etc.   Studies over many years show success of athletic programs leads to increased financial support for not only athletics but also for academic programs. 

[shep]

4 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

We need to cultivate more relationships with potential donors not headquartered in Las Vegas. We cannot lean on one family to donate to our programs. Division I is just too expensive not to.

I really don't want us to become a school with great academics and research and lousy athletics. I honestly don't think we have to choose between one or the other. We can strive for greatness in all three of those areas.

I agree.

Can't remember what Saban is getting at Bama, but I recall seeing an article that said that he brings in more than he's paid. That is, students, and research dollars and just the notoriety. 

UND can do the same. Lots of money going into the Aviation department and rightly so. Need more of that around the campus and especially sports.

[SiouxVolley]

Schlossman had good points about needing UND game breakers on offense.  Mussman gets slammed here but he recruited Harden and Galloway, the type players that Bubba doesn’t seem to want or attract with his emphasis on ball control and defense.  Need a combo of the two coaches.  Bubba can’t outrecruit NDSU for defensive players and needs to modify his offense.

https://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/4650987-Commentary-UND-lacks-gamebreakers-and-it-shows-against-NDSU

[shep]

1 minute ago, SiouxVolley said:

Schlossman had good points about needing UND game breakers on offense.  Mussman gets slammed here but he recruited Harden and Galloway, the type players that Bubba doesn’t want with his emphasis on ball control and defense.  Need a combo of the two.

Not sure I'd say, he doesn't want them, but that UND doesn't get them. 

Cochran looks like that type. One example.

[fightingsioux4life]

4 minutes ago, shep said:

I agree.

Can't remember what Saban is getting at Bama, but I recall seeing an article that said that he brings in more than he's paid. That is, students, and research dollars and just the notoriety. 

UND can do the same. Lots of money going into the Aviation department and rightly so. Need more of that around the campus and especially sports.

I guess this is the reason I am so crabby right now. Seeing what is happening to athletics is hard to swallow, especially since I grew up following our teams and went to school during one of the most successful periods our teams have ever experienced (1993-2000). I have had my fill of NDSU and the Imperial Cass County media machine. The sooner we can punch back, the better.

[UND1983]

Bubba's contract runs through 2021. He ain't going anywhere.

[SiouxVolley]

2 minutes ago, shep said:

Not sure I'd say, he doesn't want them, but that UND doesn't get them. 

Cochran looks like that type. One example.

When the find out about Bubba’s offensive philosophy, they end up passing on UND.

[Oxbow6]

Just now, UND1983 said:

Bubba's contract runs through 2021. He ain't going anywhere.

Awesome

[fightingsioux4life]

2 minutes ago, UND1983 said:

Bubba's contract runs through 2021. He ain't going anywhere.

That's just two more seasons. If he doesn't start producing better results, he won't get an extension. At least I would hope not.

[Oxbow6]

Just now, fightingsioux4life said:

That's just two more seasons. He better produce better results or he won't get an extension. At least I would hope not.

Extension?!?!?!

[fightingsioux4life]

1 minute ago, Oxbow6 said:

Extension?!?!?!

We bought out Mussman, so we might do the same with Bubba if we keep wallowing in the mud.

[Siouxperman8]

3 hours ago, TheFlop said:

One school believes in continued excellence......and the other believes in continued mediocrity.  The gap is just as big as it was in 2015.  Bubba needs to go if UND ever wants to be more than a 6-5 or 7-4 team.

We are in a tough spot right now.  We got a late start with the DI transition,  When we finally transitioned we started off in a big hole and it's been tough to catch up.

I'm don't believe in continued mediocrity but am also not convinced Bubba can't get it turned around. 

[fightingsioux4life]

Just now, Siouxperman8 said:

We are in a tough spot right now.  We got a late start with the DI transition,  When we finally transitioned we started off in a big hole and it's been tough to catch up.

I'm don't believe in continued mediocrity but am also not convinced Bubba can't get it turned around. 

What @TheFlop is getting at is the lack of strong leadership at UND when it comes to stuff like this. NDSU has had strong leadership since they moved up and you see what a difference it can make.

[geaux_sioux]

Positives: CJ is a dude. He was our best player today. Made all sorts of plays and is only a fr. The sky is the limit for him.

Rodgers was all over the place today. 

Canaday made a load of tackles.

Leach was 3 for 3 on xpts today.

Maag made some plays.

Negatives: Our team simply isn’t tough, at all. No edge, no grit, no fire. Watch how NDSU celebrates, they go crazy. 

Both lines are too small. We got pushed around a lot. The whole “every OL lose weight this off season” thing was stupid. 

Having a wr group that looks like a church league basketball team still isn’t working. Most of them can’t separate. We need better athletes on offense. 

Blubaugh, he was brutal today.

Special teams still an issue.

Tackling was rough.

[shep]

18 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

I guess this is the reason I am so crabby right now. Seeing what is happening to athletics is hard to swallow, especially since I grew up following our teams and went to school during one of the most successful periods our teams have ever experienced (1993-2000). I have had my fill of NDSU and the Imperial Cass County media machine. The sooner we can punch back, the better.

I was there 82-90 with a year off in between. Went to many Bison games and we sucked. Saw the Mooney game on TV and that was all the difference in the rivalry. Still have a T-shirt that says 
"The Fargodome-the Bison built it, the Sioux own it."

We'd won I don't know how many games there.

I don't care about anything else except shutting their fat mouths. I'm sick of their sh1t and can't take it anymore. 

 

[Old School Guy]

Last week against Drake we looked better than we really are. This week I don't think we are as bad as NDSU made us look (at least I hope not). Next week, we better pass the test. I have said it many times as have others. Our strength program is not D-1 caliber, our nutrition program is lacking and mostly non existent. I'm not sure the staff as whole is a D-1 level staff. We beat Wyoming in 2015, our flagship win under Bubba but to date, we haven't sent anyone to the NFL. Wyoming has sent at least 6 guys to the league that played in that game in 2015. That speaks to player development.

[geaux_sioux]

1 minute ago, Old School Guy said:

Last week against Drake we looked better than we really are. This week I don't think we are as bad as NDSU made us look (at least I hope not). Next week, we better pass the test. I have said it many times as have others. Our strength program is not D-1 caliber, our nutrition program is lacking and mostly non existent. I'm not sure the staff as whole is a D-1 level staff. We beat Wyoming in 2015, our flagship win under Bubba but to date, we haven't sent anyone to the NFL. Wyoming has sent at least 6 guys to the league that played in that game in 2015. That speaks to player development.

It was 12-0 at the half, I wouldn’t call that looking good.

[Old School Guy]

21 minutes ago, geaux_sioux said:

Having a wr group that looks like a church league basketball team still isn’t working. Most of them can’t separate. We need better athletes on offense. 

You are being PC and I agree. We need some play making dawgs with "go get it" and "come get some" in them.

[BigGame]

I find the doom and gloom funny after a bad loss to a very good team.  NDSU has better personnel then many FBS schools!  I don't want to downplay the loss too much but if anyone thought we had a real chance today was fooling  themselves.  NDSU has better players at almost every position right now.  My take is probably off of most on the message board but UND can be a very good football team this season if some things get corrected.  We are very erratic on defense, most of the big run plays were directly related to guys not playing consistent gap control defense. This is a very fixable issue!  On offense, we had a fairly large number of plays in which the timing was off by a lot.  Also a very fixable issue!  I think we will see improvement going forward!