Kennedy vs donors... again?

[nodak651]

Can the people currently managing it just continue to due so under new ownership?  I wouldn't want them to leave if a firm is hired to run it.

[Siouxperfan7]

1 hour ago, The Sicatoka said:

PCM wouldn't take this wager. Any takers here?

Wanna bet a cold beverage that MRK’s tenure at CU looks much like at UND, namely, some ugly budget decisions that get knickers in a twist and some dead weight (facilities or staff) is ‘discharged’, and he’s gone before 2023 … but he got paid.  

the one thing Kennedy does deserve credit for is trimming the fat of the UND budget.  Haven't looked into the financials at CU by any means, but it may have played a role in him being selected President there.  If he does the same thing at CU, it absulutely will tick of some people.  A lot less fiscal conservatives at DU than UND.    

[nodak651]

37 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

So you want KEM and company to remain in charge into infinity? No thank you.

No not KEM.  But the people who run it as their day job.  Most of the current issues that UND faces with the Ralph are because the AD doesn't have the power to make capital budgeting decisions, and the AD doesn't receive the profit that the REA generates.  Both would change and the people over there every day can stick to day to day operations.  They can still be part of the decision making processes, but not much really needs to change aside from accounting issues.

[fightingsioux4life]

4 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

No not KEM.  But the people who run it as their day job.  Most of the current issues that UND faces with the Ralph are because the AD doesn't have the power to make capital budgeting decisions, and the AD doesn't receive the profit that the REA generates.  Both would change and the people over there every day can stick to day to day operations.  They can still be part of the decision making processes, but not much really needs to change aside from accounting issues.

Okay, I gotcha now.

[Kab]

Hopefully the next president takes UND on the right course and sends the provost to Colorado too

 

[Siouxperman8]

2 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

So the complaint with Kennedy was a "tone deaf politico with a penchant for angering segments of the constituency" ... and you want to replace with a tone deaf politico with a penchant for angering segments of the constituency. 

 

I won't defend Kennedy, but at least he had proven fiscal (CFO) and academic (GWU) chops before his arrival. 

Two big things HH would bring over MK are:

1. Tact - to quote Oxbow6
2. She has ties to ND and gives a damn about the university and the state in the past and in the future.  This it true whether she is the president or not.  MK has no particular affinity for anything ND other than his job as president of UND.

[siouxkid12]

2 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

Does the word "tact" having any meaning?  It goes a long ways in most situations. MK had none.

Sorry but facts do not care about feelings. The fact of the matter was UND was in a lot of trouble. The past presidents kicked the can down the road as long as possible until a man with "no tact" came in and cleaned it up. Did he upset people? Sure but the people he upset are the ones who have been complacent and were able to get away with everything (this includes donors with dad's money). Maybe Heidi would be an okay choice as interim president but history suggests that is probably not the answer. 

[siouxkid12]

2 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Two big things HH would bring over MK are:

1. Tact - to quote Oxbow6
2. She has ties to ND and gives a damn about the university and the state in the past and in the future.  This it true whether she is the president or not.  MK has no particular affinity for anything ND other than his job as president of UND.

If she gave a damn about the state she would still be a senator

[Siouxperman8]

Just now, siouxkid12 said:

If she gave a damn about the state she would still be a senator

Please elaborate while leaving her politics out of it - since you believe that wasn't a deciding factor.  Only that she didn't care about the state. 

[777sioux777]

8 minutes ago, siouxkid12 said:

If she gave a damn about the state she would still be a senator

You're a hack - quit being so hurt over her voting record like the liberals are in Colorado with Kennedy's voting record 

[jdub27]

15 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Please elaborate while leaving her politics out of it - since you believe that wasn't a deciding factor.  Only that she didn't care about the state. 

Pretty safe assumption that he means North Dakotan's don't feel like her priorities aligned with theirs, which is why she was voted out.

My biggest concern about HH would be budget-related. We saw what happens when you kick the can down the road for two decades instead of make hard choices. When McFeely floated the comment as a joke, her old Chief of Staff's responded (semi-jokingly I assume/hope) is that HH's first order of business would be to reinstate WIH. I mean, that's what you learned from and took out of all this budget stuff? 

[Oxbow6]

Let's cut to the chase.......if HH is UND's next prez Joel will ultimately call the shots! 

Or at a minimum will compete w KEM.

[Siouxperfan7]

46 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Two big things HH would bring over MK are:

1. Tact - to quote Oxbow6
2. She has ties to ND and gives a damn about the university and the state in the past and in the future.  This it true whether she is the president or not.  MK has no particular affinity for anything ND other than his job as president of UND.

Biggest reason Heitkamp would be the wrong choice for the next UND President is her ignorance on the financial decisions that had to be made to make UND viable in the future.  Her views here expressed about leaving the door open for the womens program coming back should raise some red flags.  

http://www.espn.com/videohub/video/clip/_/id/19085094/categoryid/clip?id=25813053

 

[Shawn-O]

35 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Pretty safe assumption that he means North Dakotan's don't feel like her priorities aligned with theirs, which is why she was voted out.

My biggest concern about HH would be budget-related. We saw what happens when you kick the can down the road for two decades instead of make hard choices. When McFeely floated the comment as a joke, her old Chief of Staff's responded (semi-jokingly I assume/hope) is that HH's first order of business would be to reinstate WIH. I mean, that's what you learned from and took out of all this budget stuff? 

Is that North Dakotan for "didn't bring home enough pork projects"? 

[fightingsioux4life]

1 hour ago, siouxkid12 said:

Sorry but facts do not care about feelings. The fact of the matter was UND was in a lot of trouble. The past presidents kicked the can down the road as long as possible until a man with "no tact" came in and cleaned it up. Did he upset people? Sure but the people he upset are the ones who have been complacent and were able to get away with everything (this includes donors with dad's money). Maybe Heidi would be an okay choice as interim president but history suggests that is probably not the answer. 

Tact means you know how to talk to people to achieve your overall goals and objectives. It does not mean you refuse to make tough decisions when necessary. People skills matter.

[SiouxFan100]

I feel uncomfortable about making demands of any of our generous donors to donate more now because  Kennedy is gone.

demanding or hoping are different things 

I hope that this opens a few wallets/purses!

[nodak651]

Just now, SiouxFan100 said:

I feel uncomfortable about making demands of any of our generous donors to donate more now because  Kennedy is gone.

demanding or hoping are different things 

I hope that this opens a few wallets/purses!

Really?  Even after her obnoxious statements about not donating as long as Kennedy is president?  Now that she has her way, she better not have drug his name through the mud, made UND look bad, and discourage other donors, only to NOT donate when he is finally gone.  I'd agree with you if she didn't go to the press multiple times to complain about him in public.

[SiouxFan100]

6 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

Really?  Even after her obnoxious statements about not donating as long as Kennedy is president?  Now that she has her way, she better not have drug his name through the mud, made UND look bad, and discourage other donors, only to NOT donate when he is finally gone.  I'd agree with you if she didn't go to the press multiple times to complain about him in public.

Agree that there needs to be some healing.

 I just feel we need to be careful about demanding donations.

kind of like demanding that more fans go to a football game and stand and cheer

much more effective to folks want to than be lectured to

[Oxbow6]

12 minutes ago, nodak651 said:

Really?  Even after her obnoxious statements about not donating as long as Kennedy is president?  Now that she has her way, she better not have drug his name through the mud, made UND look bad, and discourage other donors, only to NOT donate when he is finally gone.  I'd agree with you if she didn't go to the press multiple times to complain about him in public.

You are talking about MK I hope.

Oh and you forgot playing the racism and sexism cards.

[The Sicatoka]

Other than being ND Attorney General, please show me Heidi Heitkamp's experience as chief executive officer or chief financial officer in any organization and as such having ultimate and final fiscal decision power. 

[The Sicatoka]

I'd like to see Morgan Olsen but I fear that bridge was burned (charges set and detonated, dropped in the river, floated down river, set adrift at sea) last time. 

[777sioux777]

17 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

Other than being ND Attorney General, please show me Heidi Heitkamp's experience as chief executive officer or chief financial officer in any organization and as such having ultimate and final fiscal decision power. 

Tom Clifford was not a CEO or a CFO prior to becoming the UND president, and he's the greatest president we've had and will probably ever have. Yes, he was a dean of a college prior, but at the same time, HH was director of Dakota Gasification, which came with a board position (I think those folks have fiscal say). 

[Shawn-O]

56 minutes ago, Oxbow6 said:

You are talking about MK I hope.

Oh and you forgot playing the racism and sexism cards.

The meddling with the UNLV presidency is a bad look for KEM, sorry.   If we want to rebrand it as activist investing in lieu of philanthropy, then I'm cool with the whole thing.  

https://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2018/4/17/unlv-len-jessup-engelstad-family-foundation

“Even with philanthropy," McGarry continued, "it’s a transaction, and both parties have to fulfill their end, and they did not."

 

[siouxkid12]

2 hours ago, Siouxperman8 said:

Please elaborate while leaving her politics out of it - since you believe that wasn't a deciding factor.  Only that she didn't care about the state. 

 I could care less how she voted, the fact remains that she lost the confidence of the people of ND, why should they trust that she will represent UND?

[siouxkid12]

1 hour ago, fightingsioux4life said:

Tact means you know how to talk to people to achieve your overall goals and objectives. It does not mean you refuse to make tough decisions when necessary. People skills matter.

Tact goes both ways and Kennedy was given a bad deal to start out, he made cuts that were not friendly to some and it hurt their little feelings but would you rather be strung along or just cut off quickly? There were a lot of people and things that did not help UND out any longer and they needed to be removed, it sucks but its life.

 It also didn't help that you had a donor with daddy's money, running to the paper every time something didn't go her way.