Mama Sue Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 15 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said: History repeats itself. It’s obvious now. It was almost predictable back 5 years ago when the hire was made. Rudolph has NOT been a successful coach nevermind a successful DI coach. Same is looking true for the young inexperienced Kostich. At a minimum, a change is needed at offensive coordinator and special teams coordinator. Hell, I would give Freund the chance to call plays the final 2 games to see what he can do. Quaint idea.... could have a call in, text, OR on-line poll about calls. I mean everyone “votes” while watching TV now. Seems there is no control over play calling. Even a multiple choice option.... ground, air.... long pass, short pass.... punt, QB sneak the possibilitrs are endless and could be used for offense, defense, and special teams.... on a serious note.... these decisions need to be announced BEFORE the December signing day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxphan27 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 How can I be out of thumbs up at 8am? I must've gone overboard last night.. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxphan27 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 43 minutes ago, shep said: Someone mentioned the other UND coaching situation with Brian Kelly effectively replacing most, if not all, of his staff a couple years ago. It worked there; could work here. Would hate to see a Cedric Case type recruit have an excuse not to come here, and some of the RS and other recruits as well. We all know how many transferred out after Muss was canned. Hate to see the team lose good players in a coaching regime change. I could have farted out in Morse Code a better 4th quarter special teams and offensive game plan than we saw yesterday. No recruit is worth keeping an inept coaching staff. Said recruit would never reach their full potential anyway if they're poorly coached. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak78 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 My wish for Early Christmas is a new special teams coach. Also Freund promoted to OC and QB coach. Bring in 2 very good coaches for Special team and WR's. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Nodak78 said: My wish for Early Christmas is a new special teams coach. Also Freund promoted to OC and QB coach. Bring in 2 very good coaches for Special team and WR's. I have no clue who the go-to Special Teams Coach or WR coach could be, but he must be able to recruit too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longtime fan Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, shep said: Someone mentioned the other UND coaching situation with Brian Kelly effectively replacing most, if not all, of his staff a couple years ago. It worked there; could work here. Would hate to see a Cedric Case type recruit have an excuse not to come here, and some of the RS and other recruits as well. We all know how many transferred out after Muss was canned. Hate to see the team lose good players in a coaching regime change. Bubbas loyalty will need a push from the AD. Pretty simple at this point ....option A (changes to his staff) or option B ( complete overhaul) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shep Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, Longtime fan said: Bubbas loyalty will need a push from the AD. Pretty simple at this point ....option A (changes to his staff) or option B ( complete overhaul) I understand that exactly what happened to Kelly at Notre Dame. I'm even wondering about Bubba taking over the DC job or does wearing the HC hat and the DC hat become too much? I know a guy like LIncoln Riley at OK is OC and HC. NO I'm comparing him to a likely NFL coach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90siouxfan Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I detest being a fan calling for a change as I am far from an expert, but I think it is time.... Who to replace HC, OC, DC, STC..... I assume lower level will sort itself out with changes at the top. I THINK that the Muss hangover has carried over, not good begets not good in the same way great begets great... Not an easy thing to change, but change you must... The odds of surpassing Moo U in this reality are astronomical, doubt any program will achieve it, especially if they don't move up. Being the big fish in a little bowl has its perks.. Hope Chaves has more balls than Bubba. The sun rose today, hopefully it sets on this coaching staff soon. Time to move ahead. Who is a legit D1 coach? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mama Sue Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I am getting a real graphic picture.... farting in Morse Code. 1) quit blaming everything on Muss et al.... we are here now for whatever it is worth 2) I think Option A or B...makes it simple 3) Balls is no longer politically correct.... gonadal fortitude is 4) someone, not sure who or how many people, has a lot of work to do before mid-December.... 5) some people are just NICE and don’t want to confont issues.... time to find someone who will tackle this..... whomever and wherever.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux24/7 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 So I don’t think Bubba will actually get canned and man I wish he was more successful because you can just see how much he loves UND but in the hypothetical scenario that we have a new HC next year, who are some candidates at the top of the list? DeBoer has been mentioned but likely wouldn’t want to take the paycut but maybe he wants a HC position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 hour ago, shep said: Someone mentioned the other UND coaching situation with Brian Kelly effectively replacing most, if not all, of his staff a couple years ago. It worked there; could work here. Would hate to see a Cedric Case type recruit have an excuse not to come here, and some of the RS and other recruits as well. We all know how many transferred out after Muss was canned. Hate to see the team lose good players in a coaching regime change. Brian Kelly has been a boss everywhere he has been, and had recently been successful at Notre Dame. Can Bubba say the same? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 50 minutes ago, shep said: I'm even wondering about Bubba taking over the DC job or does wearing the HC hat and the DC hat become too much? Would easily be too much. Bubba struggles managing the game the way it is. Leave the Bubba and Schmidt arrangement as is and change the OC and ST coordinator. If Bubba doesn't want to do that, remove Bubba from duties and start anew. Chaves knows good football coaches from his time at Eastern Washington. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 20 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said: So I don’t think Bubba will actually get canned and man I wish he was more successful because you can just see how much he loves UND but in the hypothetical scenario that we have a new HC next year, who are some candidates at the top of the list? DeBoer has been mentioned but likely wouldn’t want to take the paycut but maybe he wants a HC position? DoBoer won't come here. He's an FBS coordinator having success; bigger things on the horizon for him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 3 minutes ago, JohnboyND7 said: Brian Kelly has been a boss everywhere he has been, and had recently been successful at Notre Dame. Can Bubba say the same? NOPE I made this argument last season but got killed for it because the injury situation was the argument of choice at that time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 14 hours ago, geaux_sioux said: Hindsight says DeBoer was the better choice. I said it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 10 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said: I said it then. I was all in for DeBoer because of his USF days. Too bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Special teams has cost us dearly at least twice this season. And again we're facing injuries which I believe is strength and conditioning related. At a minimum those must be addressed. But there's a deeper issue and it's been mentioned here: There's no will to defeat an opponent. I see three levels: winning, defeating someone, and humiliating someone. It's like the coaches are afraid to win, much less defeat someone. And I'm not saying humiliate, I'm saying defeat. Defeating someone is going out and scoring one more time to put a game out of reach. It is not sitting back and relying on your defense to run out a clock, and that is just trying to get the win. And just trying to win means you're accepting the real possibility you'll lose. Bubba's a nice guy and he's fixed a lot of what was wrong with the program, but I believe he's at the "Duluth" point again. He and his staff won't take the program any further. The personnel are there; the foundations are restored; but whatever "it" is to get the program to the championship level "it" just isn't there with this staff. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFlop Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 44 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said: So I don’t think Bubba will actually get canned and man I wish he was more successful because you can just see how much he loves UND but in the hypothetical scenario that we have a new HC next year, who are some candidates at the top of the list? DeBoer has been mentioned but likely wouldn’t want to take the paycut but maybe he wants a HC position? The Deboer ship has sailed. UND had a chance to hire a young fast riser and instead went with a legacy retread. Perpetual mediocrity has been the result. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, geaux_sioux said: I was all in for DeBoer because of his USF days. Too bad. I wanted DeBoer over Muss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 1 minute ago, The Sicatoka said: I wanted DeBoer over Muss. It would have been interesting to see how he would have done with that situation. Maybe he could have done more with the little they had and gotten more to work with? Unfortunately we will never know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmksioux Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheFlop said: The Deboer ship has sailed. UND had a chance to hire a young fast riser and instead went with a legacy retread. Perpetual mediocrity has been the result. Agree with this...as did many on this board at the time of the hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux24/7 Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 I think we understand DeBoer ship has sailed but no one has mentioned possible replacements at the top? I guess it may be hard to speculate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gfhockey Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 Missed out on lance leipold too. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmksioux Posted November 4, 2018 Share Posted November 4, 2018 7 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said: I think we understand DeBoer ship has sailed but no one has mentioned possible replacements at the top? I guess it may be hard to speculate. Maybe start by looking at assistants here?: https://goeags.com/roster.aspx?path=football or maybe even here?: https://gobison.com/coaches.aspx?path=football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geaux_sioux Posted November 4, 2018 Author Share Posted November 4, 2018 Just now, dmksioux said: Maybe start by looking at assistants here?: https://goeags.com/roster.aspx?path=football or maybe even here?: https://gobison.com/coaches.aspx?path=football Chaves has a short list of HC candidates as all ADs do. Not sure about assistants. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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