Coach Jones?

[bincitysioux]

47 minutes ago, ND-fan said:

I like to say a lot to the critics that want all  our coaches fired here its not going to happen. Far as Jones goes he's been here long time but his record means very little first half of his tenure here because he took over the program when we were at bottom of North Central Conference in division II with team that the program had no talent on the team. Then when he was recruiting talent for division II we made the jump to division I where we had at best weak division II squad to compete. Then add in when we joined the Big Sky conference not conference to easily be apart of because traveling 3 time zones not recipe for getting best performance out your kids and second again joining a new conference where you get no breaks being new to the conference. Same thing were experiencing now with Summit conference. The next thing that has hurt him has been lack of money to spend on assistant coaches until this last contract he ceived hard to build good program when constantly loosing coaches because they can make more money elsewhere. Yes these may be excuses but they are also facts that have hurt the UND basketball. Another thing that has hurt mens basketball is hockey when it has consumed all the oxygen and fan support for winter sports in Grand Forks in last 15 years and you can't tell me it hasn't sucked money away from the basketball programs. I look at South Dakota schools basketball is there big winter sports and what is important to them at the schools and media and when they are recruiting it a big advantage because everyone wants to play in front a lot of fans night in night out. I look at other two schools in Summit conference where basketball has to compete hard with hockey in Omaha and Denver and they do have advantage over even us they are from large communities to draw fans.

Mussman is referenced to his being let go there was big difference he was starting loosing kids as well as general public confidence in his handling of the program. Jones also has lost kids in last couple of years but it was because they were in demand from top tier schools something hard to fight. Crandall to Gonzga; Shanks to Loyola; and Bernsteinto Washington; what would these players added to our record if they had finished their careers here. Also when they leave after the season like they can now it means there your always year away from replacing them with top quality recruit because major recruits are long gone. 

The reason I have not been as critical of Jones is that I see teams that get better each year and they play hard for him. Yes I would like to have winner here every year but facts of the matter are way und sports are structured now with mens basketball I don't see it happening anytime soon.  I don't believe coaching is the problem with why were not dominate program here if our current coach here had resources of some of the other universities he would have winning program. 

 

You forgot to use the nickname controversy as an excuse for the lack of success during the Jones era.  That's a pretty common one that gets thrown around............ 

Good call on the time zone issue that the Big Sky caused though, I always love that one.  For some reason, none of the SumValley fans ever mention that the Summit League also spans 3 time zones!

And it's not like he took over a cellar dweller NCC team when he got here.  He took over a team that went 13-15 the year prior, which at the time was just the third losing season in the previous 18 years.  This year, we are well on our way to a 6th losing season in the past 13 years.  He's the first UND coach in 60 years to carry an overall losing record.

It's a pattern.  I agree that basketball isn't funded like it should be, certainly not how I want it to be.  The current regime has proven they can't get the job done with the resources they are given, so move on, try something else.  

[SWSiouxMN]

I will say that there has been some bad luck with the Huff core where had things broke different (Brekke doesn't take the inadvertent elbow, Nash doesn't get screw over by the NCAA when everyone was getting that hardship while he doesn't), UND would have 1, maybe 2, more NCAA tournament appearances. 

I've come to the point that..... I just think it time... but he will probably get one more year because UND won't eat 2 years on the contract. 

 

 

 

[SiouxVolley]

Looks like Jones & Co are looking at Omaha Biliew, an 8th grader in Des Moines.

https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/sports/college/iowa-state/football-recruiting/2019/01/23/iowa-state-recruiting-mailbag-cyclones-2021-recruit-zach-twedt-omaha-biliew-bowen-born-matt-campbell/2649550002/

[Hans8891]

At the outset, I don’t believe Jones is a terrible coach and I do believe we have brought in some real talent recruiting, at least at the guard positions.  What separates good coaches from marginal coaches is the ability to recognize and make adjustments and to adapt your game to the skills of your players.  That does not happen with Jones.  We still stubbornly stick to an offense with no movement designed for slashing guards to create any offense - except that is not who we have any more.  We have better outside shooters this year for a change but no offense designed to get them a look in space.  Our whole offensive scheme appears to be whatever Seales and Stewart can create.  When they are doubled, like at Ndsu, they shoot 25 percent on 26 shots while the rest of the team stands around and watches.  At the end of the game, when we needed two points to tie and we had the ball, the best we could come up with Out of a time out was to have Stewart dribble the clock down to eight seconds, the drive get stopped, and take a step back three after shooting about 25% for the rest of the game.  No other movement and no other options. It’s why we lose every close game we are in.  Don’t have a go to closer and don’t have a plan that will finish.   With SD, We got burnt a dozen times on switches where our guards ended up defending a four or five player down low with either a foul or a bucket.  Again, no adjustments made.  If we are content with a middle of the conference program with occasional bursts of success in front 1000-1500 fans (the majority of season ticket holders whom are 65 or older), then Jones is our guy.  He has been here 12 years and nobody in the region knows who he is, if he weren't the tallest guy in the room.  I for one would like to see a targeted effort to grow the program, promote attendance and make UND basketball relevant again.  I just don’t see that with Jones....

[hoops44]

The question is will und eat one year or zero years...

[SWSiouxMN]

11 hours ago, hoops44 said:

The question is will und eat one year or zero years...

I’d say one, because I don’t like lame ducking coaches.  I think he will get one more year and a decision will be made then.... unless the wheels totally fly off. 

[ND-fan]

I know a lot of you out there are looking for blood but I believe he serves out his contract and wouldn't be surprised if he has like he had prior to end of his last contract where he has had excellent couple of seasons where he will have been in the post season with reaching NCAA again in two years. The question is does he stay or does he move on by his choice or UND's choice. I also see him getting another contract if the above results are obtained. I think Brewster is much more on the bubble than JOnes is because he will have had one disappointing season and two loosing seasons coming into his final year. Also look at the girls team rooster it real thin on talent and I don't believe he can recruit enough talent to get himself to winner especially in the Summit conference.

[sioux24/7]

I don’t understand how anyone can defend Jones after 13 years. It’s time for a change. 

[SiouxVolley]

34 minutes ago, sioux24/7 said:

I don’t understand how anyone can defend Jones after 13 years. It’s time for a change. 

Would be just like Jones to scrape into another dance in his last year.

Pretty telling he wasn’t offered a higher paying job with a more prestigious program after the last one.

But those are the cruel facts of a low major program -win and you lose your coach.

What this program needs is a lifer that would stay for family reasons.

[SiouxFan100]

1 hour ago, SiouxVolley said:

Would be just like Jones to scrape into another dance in his last year.

Pretty telling he wasn’t offered a higher paying job with a more prestigious program after the last one.

But those are the cruel facts of a low major program -win and you lose your coach.

What this program needs is a lifer that would stay for family reasons.

I disagree about the lifer thing. We need a bunch of aggressive young coaches that get rewarded by bigger schools as we cycle through our up and comers.

[Cratter]

UND already had that chance in football. Instead they picked Bubba.

[sioux24/7]

8 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said:

I disagree about the lifer thing. We need a bunch of aggressive young coaches that get rewarded by bigger schools as we cycle through our up and comers.

I would also agree with this. I mean it wouldn’t be a bad thing to have an up and comer that wants to be a lifer but with success comes bigger and better things for coaches. 

[SWSiouxMN]

https://csurams.com/coaches.aspx?rc=477&path=mbball

A guy can dream 

[UND-FB-FAN]

17 hours ago, SiouxVolley said:

Would be just like Jones to scrape into another dance in his last year.

Pretty telling he wasn’t offered a higher paying job with a more prestigious program after the last one.

But those are the cruel facts of a low major program -win and you lose your coach.

What this program needs is a lifer that would stay for family reasons.

UND already has “lifers” at hockey, football and basketball. For UND hockey, that’s fine. But if that is the case for football and basketball, you get what you are currently seeing: mediocre play that bigger schools don’t touch.

UND needs young up and comers with tremendous potential for their football and basketball programs. It’s the only way. 

[SiouxVolley]

4 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

UND already has “lifers” at hockey, football and basketball. For UND hockey, that’s fine. But if that is the case for football and basketball, you get what you are currently seeing: mediocre play that bigger schools don’t touch.

UND needs young up and comers with tremendous potential for their football and basketball programs. It’s the only way. 

Was referring to a program like Vermont.  Also a hockey school, that doesn’t necessarily choose alumni.

Vermont has dominated America East this century, but did nothing for 20 years after they went DI.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont_Catamounts_men's_basketball

USD and NDSU have had up and comers.  They either leave quickly or crash out and get fired.

[nd1sufan]

On 1/26/2019 at 4:26 PM, ND-fan said:

I know a lot of you out there are looking for blood but I believe he serves out his contract and wouldn't be surprised if he has like he had prior to end of his last contract where he has had excellent couple of seasons where he will have been in the post season with reaching NCAA again in two years. 

Do you really think he is going to the dance in the next two years with his current team? I was at the game in Fargo and have watched a handful of other games this year. He doesn't have the talent on his current roster to win the Summit, He may not even get his team to the tournament this year. And I am not saying NDSU is in a much better place, but they are in a little better place. NDSU doesn't lose anybody this year and UND loses 2 of their top 3 players. I would say if either team, NDSU or UND is the one team left out of the Summit tournament this year, the coach should go, whether that is Jones or Richman.

[southpaw]

1 hour ago, nd1sufan said:

Do you really think he is going to the dance in the next two years with his current team? I was at the game in Fargo and have watched a handful of other games this year. He doesn't have the talent on his current roster to win the Summit, He may not even get his team to the tournament this year. And I am not saying NDSU is in a much better place, but they are in a little better place. NDSU doesn't lose anybody this year and UND loses 2 of their top 3 players. I would say if either team, NDSU or UND is the one team left out of the Summit tournament this year, the coach should go, whether that is Jones or Richman.

Thank you once again for your unsolicited analysis of NDSU's roster in reply to a post that said nothing about NDSU. 

[darell1976]

2 hours ago, nd1sufan said:

Do you really think he is going to the dance in the next two years with his current team? I was at the game in Fargo and have watched a handful of other games this year. He doesn't have the talent on his current roster to win the Summit, He may not even get his team to the tournament this year. And I am not saying NDSU is in a much better place, but they are in a little better place. NDSU doesn't lose anybody this year and UND loses 2 of their top 3 players. I would say if either team, NDSU or UND is the one team left out of the Summit tournament this year, the coach should go, whether that is Jones or Richman.

Anything can happen in the tournament, but odds are the SL rep will be one from SD.

[SWSiouxMN]

On ‎1‎/‎27‎/‎2019 at 9:48 PM, nd1sufan said:

Do you really think he is going to the dance in the next two years with his current team? I was at the game in Fargo and have watched a handful of other games this year. He doesn't have the talent on his current roster to win the Summit, He may not even get his team to the tournament this year. And I am not saying NDSU is in a much better place, but they are in a little better place. NDSU doesn't lose anybody this year and UND loses 2 of their top 3 players. I would say if either team, NDSU or UND is the one team left out of the Summit tournament this year, the coach should go, whether that is Jones or Richman.

A lot can change in 2 years for both programs but from what I can see right now... No. However if you asked me that question after the 2014-2015 season I would have answered the same way. 

Do UND have a couple of nice pieces in Moody and Rebraca.  Yes.  However they need more pieces to this puzzle.  They need more of the current freshman to become impact players next year (looking at Davids, Jal and Marko here) and hope the next class can have a similar impact... since UND has little to anything in the sophomore class (and not enough production in the junior class if we are looking to next year).  

Honestly, I think out of the two senior, Avants will be a much bigger loss than Seales will be. 

Your last sentence:  I agree in spirit but if push came to shove.... NDSU will pull the trigger, UND won't eat 2 years on Jones' contract.  I think both will make it to Sioux Falls.

[SiouxFan100]

Every spirts program needs more money to be more successful.

and then you have all the other university expenses 

not enough to go around 

[GDPritch]

On ‎1‎/‎27‎/‎2019 at 9:48 PM, nd1sufan said:

Do you really think he is going to the dance in the next two years with his current team? I was at the game in Fargo and have watched a handful of other games this year. He doesn't have the talent on his current roster to win the Summit, He may not even get his team to the tournament this year. And I am not saying NDSU is in a much better place, but they are in a little better place. NDSU doesn't lose anybody this year and UND loses 2 of their top 3 players. I would say if either team, NDSU or UND is the one team left out of the Summit tournament this year, the coach should go, whether that is Jones or Richman.

Sioux fan but gotta agree, no way in hell Jones is taking UND to the Big Dance this season or next season. 

[gfhockey]

I bet Jones will have the boys ready to play in the summit tourney. He’s always a tourney tome coach. 

 

They did show they can play with sdsu

[Milo]

We laughed at the Slummit. Now it laughs at us 

[SWSiouxMN]

8 hours ago, gfhockey said:

I bet Jones will have the boys ready to play in the summit tourney. He’s always a tourney tome coach. 

 

They did show they can play with sdsu

Not going to disagree with this statement.... but they got to get in.

If the <bleep> around these next 3 games, they are not going to get in. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

On 1/27/2019 at 2:39 PM, SiouxVolley said:

Was referring to a program like Vermont.  Also a hockey school, that doesn’t necessarily choose alumni.

Vermont has dominated America East this century, but did nothing for 20 years after they went DI.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vermont_Catamounts_men's_basketball

USD and NDSU have had up and comers.  They either leave quickly or crash out and get fired.

And USD and NDSU have had some great seasons as such. Sure they aren’t top programs currently, but still better than UND. 

I understand we all want consistenty, but if we want “great seasons” at this level, we need coaches that will eventually be hired away by bigger programs. Having coaches like Bubba and Jones is great for familiarity, but ultimately they will be medicore because otherwise bigger schools come looking. 

I vote for young coaches with great potential that also fit UND’s affordability as far as hiring football and basketball coaches. Salary is a limiting factor for UND’s non-hockey sports.