President Kennedy Message on Athletics

[UNDColorado]

3 minutes ago, Hambone said:

Isn't the ripping family apart a direct quote from Faison in the article?

Point is he is using emotion to further his agenda. If he used facts and figures just once I would give him a pass. 

[The Sicatoka]

We're playing Jeopardy.
The answers: 

290
$1.3 million
20%
$2 million
$1 million

[Siouxphan27]

7 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

We're playing Jeopardy.
The answers: 

290
$1.3 million
20%
$2 million
$1 million

You mean 209 my friend. 

[Irish]

12 hours ago, UNDBIZ said:

That's a lot of students. The elimination of swimming and diving will be a much bigger and more important loss to the university than the elimination of women's hockey. 

Explain

[Siouxperfan7]

13 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

We're playing Jeopardy.
The answers: 

290
$1.3 million
20%
$2 million
$1 million

I'll take 'Numbers that show facts for cutting Womens Hockey at UND that destroy my emotional, uniformed argument based on social media opinions' for 100 Alex!!

[ericpnelson]

Here's kind of the crux of it to me, and I don't mean to make light of the real emotions involved here. The question isn't whether they were right or wrong to cut these sports, but rather, what other tangible, real-life alternatives were possible? Everyone hates cutting sports. I don't think think there's that many sadists here who loved seeing hearts broken yesterday, but the fact of the matter is $1.3 million had to be cut. If not this, then what?  It really is as much of a zero sum game as there is.

[UND92,96]

Given the massive budget/losses of women's hockey, and the fact that UND was significantly out of compliance with Title IX in favor of women, I'm still astounded as to how it was considered "untouchable" as recently as a few months ago.

[UNDBIZ]

24 minutes ago, Irish said:

Explain

Loss of 50+ (lets just say 50 to make the math easy) students for S&D as compared to 25 students for WIH.  Let's say both M&W S&D cost just as much as WIH (M&W S&D cost less, but for this purpose it'll still get the point across).  So let's say M&W S&D lost $2 million per year and WIH lost $2 million per year.  That means each S&D student cost UND $40,000 and each WIH student cost UND $80,000.  So already, cutting S&D is less of a positive than cutting WIH.  Now in addition to that cost difference, lets say UND also receives $12,000 per full-time student from the state.  By those students no longer attending UND, UND will see a loss of $600,000 in revenue from the state for cutting S&D and $300,000 for cutting WIH.  Under this scenario:

Net savings per student by eliminating S&D = $28,000

Net savings per student by eliminating WIH = $68,000

[petey23]

4 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Loss of 50+ (lets just say 50 to make the math easy) students for S&D as compared to 25 students for WIH.  Let's say both M&W S&D cost just as much as WIH (M&W S&D cost less, but for this purpose it'll still get the point across).  So let's say M&W S&D lost $2 million per year and WIH lost $2 million per year.  That means each S&D student cost UND $40,000 and each WIH student cost UND $80,000.  So already, cutting S&D is less of a positive than cutting WIH.  Now in addition to that cost difference, lets say UND also receives $12,000 per full-time student from the state.  By those students no longer attending UND, UND will see a loss of $600,000 in revenue from the state for cutting S&D and $300,000 for cutting WIH.  

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9d7oG4WTyY

[The Sicatoka]

25 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said:

You mean 209 my friend. 

Slysdexia.  

[jdub27]

9 minutes ago, UNDBIZ said:

Loss of 50+ (lets just say 50 to make the math easy) students for S&D as compared to 25 students for WIH.  Let's say both M&W S&D cost just as much as WIH (M&W S&D cost less, but for this purpose it'll still get the point across).  So let's say M&W S&D lost $2 million per year and WIH lost $2 million per year.  That means each S&D student cost UND $40,000 and each WIH student cost UND $80,000.  So already, cutting S&D is less of a positive than cutting WIH.  Now in addition to that cost difference, lets say UND also receives $12,000 per full-time student from the state.  By those students no longer attending UND, UND will see a loss of $600,000 in revenue from the state for cutting S&D and $300,000 for cutting WIH.  

To add on to your equation, S&D was splitting around 18 scholarships between 54 participants, meaning that the equivalence of 36 fully paid tuitions that were coming from S&D that most likely wouldn't have been here. WIH was at 18 scholarships and 25 participants.

[The Sicatoka]

20 minutes ago, ericpnelson said:

... but the fact of the matter is $1.3 million had to be cut. If not this, then what? 

Nursing school?
Medical school? 

UND is using institutional funds for Athletics that can be directed anywhere in the University. 

[zonadub]

The harsh reality for the women's hockey supporters is that there is no way UND could have made that level of cost cutting without cutting women's hockey. Any other combination of teams/sports would not have been able to save the athletic dept as much as including women's hockey could. UND needs to maintain enough sports, Faison said 16, to remain NCAA compliant. Softball, soccer, tennis are not nearly as expensive combined as WIH was. The depth of cost cutting UND made yesterday clears the way for the other programs to be supported at a championship level, and should allow UND to pay the football and basketball staffs at competitive levels and allow them to keep their staff in place for more than a year at a time.

i still think the dropping of baseball last year was a set-up to clear Title IX compliance to drop women's hockey this year. Sad to see baseball had to take the hit, especially now that UND is heading to the Summit, but that might be why the team was cut a year ago.

[Siouxperfan7]

21 minutes ago, zonadub said:

The harsh reality for the women's hockey supporters is that there is no way UND could have made that level of cost cutting without cutting women's hockey. Any other combination of teams/sports would not have been able to save the athletic dept as much as including women's hockey could. UND needs to maintain enough sports, Faison said 16, to remain NCAA compliant. Softball, soccer, tennis are not nearly as expensive combined as WIH was. The depth of cost cutting UND made yesterday clears the way for the other programs to be supported at a championship level, and should allow UND to pay the football and basketball staffs at competitive levels and allow them to keep their staff in place for more than a year at a time.

i still think the dropping of baseball last year was a set-up to clear Title IX compliance to drop women's hockey this year. Sad to see baseball had to take the hit, especially now that UND is heading to the Summit, but that might be why the team was cut a year ago.

This ^^^^^^^^

With the cust, UND will be down to 17 sports.  If you would have kept womens hockey, you would have had to cut 3-4 sports to make up the amount of money to satisfy the budget cuts which would put you below 16 to remain NCAA compliant.  Faison literally had no other option.

[The Sicatoka]

44 minutes ago, zonadub said:

The harsh reality for the women's hockey supporters is that there is no way UND could have made that level of cost cutting without cutting women's hockey.

The 2015 numbers I have (source given previously) says to cut nominally (within $100k of Expenses) what they cut by cutting WIH, MSD, WSD, they'd have to cut:

- WGolf, MTen, WTen, MIT&F, MOT&F, WIT&F, WOT&F, MCC, WCC, and Volleyball. 

Then again, if it's just hit that dollar amount (of WIH, MSD, WSD), 

- MSD, WSD, MTen, WTen, MIT&F, MOT&F, WIT&F, WOT&F, MCC, WCC. 

Yes, I'm saying nominally WIH cost the same as MTen, WTen, MIT&F, MOT&F, WIT&F, WOT&F, MCC, WCC. 

[The Sicatoka]

27 minutes ago, Siouxperfan7 said:

With the cust, UND will be down to 17 sports.  

17 sports, with MGolf on life support. 

There's Faison's 16 minimum. 

However, I must note: 16 is FBS minimum; 14 is FCS minimum. 

[zonadub]

4 minutes ago, The Sicatoka said:

17 sports, with MGolf on life support. 

There's Faison's 16 minimum. 

However, I must note: 16 is FBS minimum; 14 is FCS minimum. 

Calling SiouxVolley

[SWSiouxMN]

The argument that gets me is the: why don't they cut admin positions instead?

Um... did you miss the notice that they cut 20% from Twamley?

[siouxweet]

I thought UND had 18 now which included mens golf.  Imagine Schlossmans emotional outrage if it would have been tennis instead of swimming cut.

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said:

The argument that gets me is the: why don't they cut admin positions instead?

Yes, this position is far too popular among the uninformed out-criers with their soapboxes. 

Again, these individuals decided to put no thought into the situation before ruining their personal reputation. 

UND has terminated administration members, both directly and indirectly; it has been well publicized. Do these vocal individuals, many of whom never attended or graduated from UND or any post-secondary institution for that matter, expect UND to be operated by a bunch of people off the street?

C'mon people of Grand Forks and North Dakota - stop embarrassing us. 

[The Sicatoka]

1 hour ago, SWSiouxMN said:

The argument that gets me is the: why don't they cut admin positions instead?

Um... did you miss the notice that they cut 20% from Twamley?

Standard response:

Uh, what? When? Why? And why 20%? 

< facepalm > 

[The Sicatoka]

Apparently Kennedy and Faison should've come to the microphone yesterday and started with:

The Legislature and the Governor has directed all State agencies to cut their budgets 20%.
The University of North Dakota is a State agency. 
UND must cut 20% from its budget. 

Then again, it wouldn't have mattered. 

[NoDakFan]

Because I want to link it to some of my friends, does anyone have a press release detailing cuts in Twamley?  

[teamsioux]

Schlossman will be on KFAN with Barriero at 5:30.

[SWSiouxMN]

7 minutes ago, NoDakFan said:

Because I want to link it to some of my friends, does anyone have a press release detailing cuts in Twamley?  

http://blogs.und.edu/und-today/2017/02/starting-from-the-top/