passit_offthegoalie Posted June 28, 2015 Posted June 28, 2015 RoughRiders feels right. I could see having to change it again in 10-20 years, but we're all used to it. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 So basically, just so everyone understands, a state with "no affiliation" with TR's Roughriders has been flying a replica of the Roughrider battle flag as the State flag for over 100 years. I guess bringing North Dakota Roughriders teams onto the playing surface led by the State flag ... would make complete historic sense. 1 Quote
obborg Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Those of you championing Roosevelt will be disappointed when you notice that ship has sailed. "Rough Riders" (affiliation to Teddy) was eliminated 2 rounds ago. On the other hand, "Roughriders" (general term) is the option you are left with. These branding people have already safeguarded against the idea of being tied to Teddy imagery should this nickname win somehow. Quote
keikla Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 "The regiment was presented with three different mascots that represented the Rough Riders: a mountain lion by the name of Josephine that was brought to Tampa by some troops from Arizona, a war eagle named in Colonel Roosevelt's honor brought in by some New Mexican troops, and lastly a small dog by the name of Cuba who had been brought along on the journey overseas." All those would be hits. Though the mountain lion might eat some of the small children we're trying to entertain. Quote
jdub27 Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Those of you championing Roosevelt will be disappointed when you notice that ship has sailed. "Rough Riders" (affiliation to Teddy) was eliminated 2 rounds ago. On the other hand, "Roughriders" (general term) is the option you are left with. These branding people have already safeguarded against the idea of being tied to Teddy imagery should this nickname win somehow. Red River spells it Roughriders and uses Roosevelt imagery as do the Frisco RoughRiders (who seem to use a hybrid spelling of the two, one word but capitalize both R's). Also, the committee has the power to make slight adjustments as they see fit to any remaining finalists (such as changing "North Stars" to "Stars", etc) Quote
UNDBIZ Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Red River spells it Roughriders and uses Roosevelt imagery as do the Frisco RoughRiders (who seem to use a hybrid spelling of the two, one word but capitalize both R's). Also, the committee has the power to make slight adjustments as they see fit to any remaining finalists (such as changing "North Stars" to "Stars", etc) The state has the Rough Rider Award, but identifies as the Roughrider State and has the Roughrider Room in the Capitol. Quote
Popular Post UNDColorado Posted June 29, 2015 Popular Post Posted June 29, 2015 My letter was published this morning: http://www.grandforksherald.com/letters/3775917-letter-few-know-sundogs-everyone-knows-roughriders 7 1 Quote
obborg Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Red River spells it Roughriders and uses Roosevelt imagery as do the Frisco RoughRiders (who seem to use a hybrid spelling of the two, one word but capitalize both R's). Also, the committee has the power to make slight adjustments as they see fit to any remaining finalists (such as changing "North Stars" to "Stars", etc) You think removing "North" is a slight adjustment? Quote
scpa0305 Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 My letter was published this morning: http://www.grandforksherald.com/letters/3775917-letter-few-know-sundogs-everyone-knows-roughriders You made a great point on why Sundogs should never be chosen as our nickname. Nobody understands the first time they hear it. 2 Quote
GeauxSioux Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 My letter was published this morning: http://www.grandforksherald.com/letters/3775917-letter-few-know-sundogs-everyone-knows-roughriders Well done. Quote
obborg Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 You made a great point on why Sundogs should never be chosen as our nickname. Nobody understands the first time they hear it. This can be a plus to a brander. Quote
Siouxperman8 Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Sundogs is a horrible nickname. As is any other weather phenomenon as a name. How the heck is that supposed to inspiring and something to rally around? 2 Quote
UNDColorado Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 This can be a plus to a brander. It can be. It can also be a terrible hindrance to name recognition as well. Can you give me an example of how this will be positive to branding? Maybe a scenario? Quote
obborg Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Branding designers have more creative freedom when the subject is vague, as opposed to a subject with built-in imagery (i.e. Rough Riders). Quote
Teeder11 Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 This will strike fear in opponents. I don't like Sun Dogs as much as anyone but this wlole idea of a nickname instilling fear in opponents has me intrigued. Does that really even happen because of a nickname or is it the calibre of play from one's opponents that instills the fear or lack there of? I mean c'mon, Gophers? Jackrabbits? I'm shaking in my boots at the mere sound of them! ? 2 Quote
keikla Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I don't like Sun Dogs as much as anyone but this wlole idea of a nickname instilling fear in opponents has me intrigued. Does that really even happen because of a nickname or is it the calibre of play from one's opponents that instills the fear or lack there of? I mean c'mon, Gophers? Jackrabbits? I'm shaking in my boots at the mere sound of them! Maybe not fear, but respect. I remember when opposing players were questioned on their favorite logo. Hands down, Sioux won. Now, I'm not expecting to maintain the respect and honor of the Sioux nickname. But I'd prefer to not be at the bottom of the 'favorite logo' pile. Quote
Hayduke Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 My letter was published this morning:http://www.grandforksherald.com/letters/3775917-letter-few-know-sundogs-everyone-knows-roughriders Great job! Roll Ridas! Quote
dagies Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I don't like Sun Dogs as much as anyone but this wlole idea of a nickname instilling fear in opponents has me intrigued. Does that really even happen because of a nickname or is it the calibre of play from one's opponents that instills the fear or lack there of? I mean c'mon, Gophers? Jackrabbits? I'm shaking in my boots at the mere sound of them! Exactly. A nickname won't instill fear in opponents. I think the value in a good nickname is it gives an identity that the fans of that team can rally around, or in current terms "they can identify as...." something they very much like, respect, feel proud of. Part of that, as keikla says, is being proud of the imagery. That's part of being proud of the association with the nickname/logo. Quote
Teeder11 Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Maybe not fear, but respect. I remember when opposing players were questioned on their favorite logo. Hands down, Sioux won. Now, I'm not expecting to maintain the respect and honor of the Sioux nickname. But I'd prefer to not be at the bottom of the 'favorite logo' pile. I hear what you are saying, though, it's a rare goopher or Bizo fan that respects anything about UND, even when we were under the Fighting Sioux flag. I don't respect those nicknames I referenced in my previous comment, either. I think they are laughable.... as bad as Sun Dogs, and if they had not been taken and had they been proposed by the current committee, they'd be getting the same treatment as Sun Dogs on here and other places. Quote
Siouxperman8 Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 I don't like Sun Dogs as much as anyone but this wlole idea of a nickname instilling fear in opponents has me intrigued. Does that really even happen because of a nickname or is it the calibre of play from one's opponents that instills the fear or lack there of? I mean c'mon, Gophers? Jackrabbits? I'm shaking in my boots at the mere sound of them! to strike fear was mostly in jest but a name should be something to rally around. Weather events don't rate very high with me. Quote
Teeder11 Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 to strike fear was mostly in jest but a name should be something to rally around. Weather events don't rate very high with me. Gotcha. Quote
The Sicatoka Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 Great idea! Oh, wait...I got the battle flag of the Roughriders confused with the North Dakota state flag here! My bad. Go Ridas! OK, so where's the UND green ("pantone 347" is the official shade) version of that flag with the bottom words being "University of North Dakota". Quote
Hayduke Posted June 29, 2015 Posted June 29, 2015 OK, so where's the UND green ("pantone 347" is the official shade) version of that flag with the bottom words being "University of North Dakota". It's on its way! Roll Ridas! Quote
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