Matt Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Muss' recruiting record is a paradox. I think we can all agree a class is judged by what happens on the field. But in the case of many recruits of the Muss era, they put up great fantasy numbers but couldn't win. Given that, can we still claim the recruits were good? Or do we say they were good recruits with a poor coach? But someone has to put them in position to put up those numbers. If it matters, I judge recruiting classes by wins and losses. While you can still have an all conference or all american on a bad team, if the team isn't winning then overall it wasn't a good class. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Muss' recruiting record is a paradox. I think we can all agree a class is judged by what happens on the field. But in the case of many recruits of the Muss era, they put up great fantasy numbers but couldn't win. Given that, can we still claim the recruits were good? Or do we say they were good recruits with a poor coach? But someone has to put them in position to put up those numbers. If it matters, I judge recruiting classes by wins and losses. While you can still have an all conference or all american on a bad team, if the team isn't winning then overall it wasn't a good class. I think the problem w/ Muss' staff was always player development... They landed some pretty good recruits, just failed to develop them into quality FCS football players. Look at Bubba's defense last year... filled w/ recruits from Muss that made pretty significant contributions & played at very high levels... (Labat, Rich, Ratelle, C. Brown, Idowu, Reyes, etc, etc) & most of those guys didn't "earn" much playing time on that atrocious 2013 defense. I'll agree w/ geaux_Sioux, in that the Muss staff did bring in some quality recruits the last few years & seemed to improve in the talent they were getting... how they developed them was a different story... & ultimately, those classes were (& should be) judged by the W-L records. Overall I'd say there were quite a few more "misses" than "hits" in the Muss recruiting era. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Concerning Muss, likely it was a case of mostly having below-average recruits (& a few above-average recruits that weren't developed or coached-up) w/ a below-average coaching staff. Not a good combination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
homer Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I think the problem w/ Muss' staff was always player development... They landed some pretty good recruits, just failed to develop them into quality FCS football players. Look at Bubba's defense last year... filled w/ recruits from Muss that made pretty significant contributions & played at very high levels... (Labat, Rich, Ratelle, C. Brown, Idowu, Reyes, etc, etc) & most of those guys didn't "earn" much playing time on that atrocious 2013 defense. I'll agree w/ geaux_Sioux, in that the Muss staff did bring in some quality recruits the last few years & seemed to improve in the talent they were getting... how they developed them was a different story... & ultimately, those classes were (& should be) judged by the W-L records. Overall I'd say there were quite a few more "misses" than "hits" in the Muss recruiting era. The option of staying in GF for the summer needs to go away. Muss didn't force commitment from his players to the year round training to develop to full potential. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Guys, Mussman's primary issue was and will always be that he, a former offensive lineman himself, didn't recruit talented linemen. It still doesn't make sense to me that he just didn't understand that all the flashy flankers in the world don't mean dinky-doo if your QB is on his back and their RBs are running over your pancaked front seven. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-FB-FAN Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Concerning Muss, likely it was a case of mostly having below-average recruits (& a few above-average recruits that weren't developed or coached-up) w/ a below-average coaching staff. Not a good combination. All in all just a below average coaching staff that couldn't develop. That's why they were pressed to recruit outside the area. Bubba will recruit locally, which is key, and he and his staff will also develop North Dakota and Minnesota kids into contributors, just as NDSU has done over the past years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND92,96 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 Here's the list of known visits for this weekend: http://siouxfb.areavoices.com/2015/01/23/official-visit-weekend-1-24-15/#comments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 What gets lost as the years go by is the lack of financial support that Muss had for his assistant coaches. I'm not bashing those assistants just saying if you look back the money wasn't there and thus the experience wasn't there. That was one thing that Bubba negotiated into his package - much more money for salaries for his staff. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambone Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 So Iwarri Smith was sitting next to "rival NDSU coach" on the plane from MPLS to Fargo. Tweeted a picture of the nat'l championship ring. This could get interesting..... EDIT: Might be good thing he said it's a rival coach, but I'm sure he got an earful...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 So Iwarri Smith was sitting next to "rival NDSU coach" on the plane from MPLS to Fargo. Tweeted a picture of the nat'l championship ring. This could get interesting..... EDIT: Might be good thing he said it's a rival coach, but I'm sure he got an earful...... I wonder in what context he was using "rival" in... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux24/7 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 I wonder in what context he was using "rival" in... What do you mean by that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nodak78 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 So Iwarri Smith was sitting next to "rival NDSU coach" on the plane from MPLS to Fargo. Tweeted a picture of the nat'l championship ring. This could get interesting..... EDIT: Might be good thing he said it's a rival coach, but I'm sure he got an earful...... That is when Iwarii says. Cool I'm getting one of those with UND on the ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sioux24/7 Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 http://www.grandforksherald.com/sports/und-football/3662968-und-football-wyoming-rejects-release-und-transfer-rb Well this sucks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 What do you mean by that? Well maybe he has already committed to UND (in his head or something) and considers NDSU to be a rival. Or maybe he is using the term in jest and is open to being recruited by them. Who knows.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambone Posted January 23, 2015 Author Share Posted January 23, 2015 I wonder in what context he was using "rival" in... I was hoping he meant he was planning on committing to UND, and NDSU would be a rival of his future team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Risky Posted January 23, 2015 Share Posted January 23, 2015 So Coach Bohl is blocking the immediate transfer of the RB to UND because we play them next year. Therefore he would lose one of his years to play college football. Bohl should be ashamed. Very petty. What a loser. I feel bad for the kid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Does anyone know the amount of times a school has not released a student athlete. It can't be a big number. Pretty classless and then to go poach a recruit from the same school. I mean you played one game against UND. Of course you lost but that was over a decade ago. Find yourself a coed and get over it. This poor kid has to sit a year cause you're an egotistical asshole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Pretty crappy for a guy whom I'm sure accepted his share of FBS transfers at NDSU. Is this the only player they won't release? Any other transfers? I used to think pretty highly of Bohl and what he did at NDSU, but this is totally classless. What a POS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 So who do we have at RB now? Are we targeting any more? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 So who do we have at RB now? Are we targeting any more? They only have 11 days left. I doubt they were really leaning on Nevermann to be the workhorse, but who doesn't release a special teams player? A starter would make more sense, even a position second stringer would be more understandable. Not that I agree to hold any kid hostage but atleast I could see the point of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLINE70 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Agreed. Really? Seemed like a solid player. Coach is classless. Sounds like he is worried to me.....why else would he not let a special teams guy go?? Strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Agreed. Really? Seemed like a solid player. Coach is classless. Sounds like he is worried to me.....why else would he not let a special teams guy go?? Strange. I think he is worried, he had a rough season for the first time in a long time for him. Recruits aren't as easy and he isn't sure how to adjust to that. Still a POS move though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 They only have 11 days left. I doubt they were really leaning on Nevermann to be the workhorse, but who doesn't release a special teams player? A starter would make more sense, even a position second stringer would be more understandable. Not that I agree to hold any kid hostage but atleast I could see the point of it. could they pickup another FBS or Juco transfer in the spring? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gundy1124 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Bubba and Bohl need to make a gentleman's agreement in that 1) Wyoming grants the release 2) Bubba doesn't travel him against Wyoming. Problem solved. For a guy like Bohl, who makes a living, really good living, off of college athletes, to robb a kid of his junior year is classless. I am really questioning Bohl as a man........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
siouxfan512 Posted January 24, 2015 Share Posted January 24, 2015 Looks like Oliveira may be playing a bigger role right away, we struggles running last season and we need some new tools to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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