MafiaMan Posted January 20, 2020 Posted January 20, 2020 56 minutes ago, UNDfaninMICH said: “Cliff Van Leuven, TSA's Federal Security Director for Minnesota, spoke with Houska and apologized for the agent's actions and "insensitive" comment, according to the statement. In an email to TSA employees at the airport, Van Leuven confirmed the incident happened exactly as described by Houska.” From an article about the incident posted on CNN. I’ll walk back my earlier comments. Ms. Houska deserves an apology. 2 1 Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted January 20, 2020 Posted January 20, 2020 25 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: I’ll walk back my earlier comments. Ms. Houska deserves an apology. Why wouldn't TSA fire this person? Quote
bison73 Posted January 20, 2020 Posted January 20, 2020 58 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: Why wouldn't TSA fire this person? Its a teaching moment? 1 Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted January 20, 2020 Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, stoneySIOUX said: Why wouldn't TSA fire this person? couldn't that person just turned around and told the offender not to do that...that that is not nice to do and pulling someone's hair isn't a nice thing to do at that moment? instead of tweeting and putting on social media and then saying "i don't want the person fired"... Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted January 20, 2020 Posted January 20, 2020 1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: couldn't that person just turned around and told the offender not to do that...that that is not nice to do and pulling someone's hair isn't a nice thing to do at that moment? instead of tweeting and putting on social media and then saying "i don't want the person fired"... You must have missed the part where the lady was listed as an "activist". 2 Quote
Oxbow6 Posted January 20, 2020 Posted January 20, 2020 8 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: You must have missed the part where the lady was listed as an "activist". ……...and something about the "spirit" too! Quote
Siouxphan27 Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 2 hours ago, Fleurpink said: Why would that be "honoring" them and not derogatory to use them as a moniker for a pro football team? I have no idea what you're talking about, and I'm pretty sure you didn't get my point. Quote
runaroundsioux Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 5 minutes ago, Siouxphan27 said: I have no idea what you're talking about, and I'm pretty sure you didn't get my point. I believe "pink flower" is either a troll or very confused. 2 Quote
petey23 Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 11:50 AM, UNDfaninMICH said: “Cliff Van Leuven, TSA's Federal Security Director for Minnesota, spoke with Houska and apologized for the agent's actions and "insensitive" comment, according to the statement. In an email to TSA employees at the airport, Van Leuven confirmed the incident happened exactly as described by Houska.” From an article about the incident posted on CNN. CNN. Hmm. Story rings true but would ask for a more reliable source. 1 Quote
Shawn-O Posted January 22, 2020 Posted January 22, 2020 On 1/20/2020 at 1:14 PM, stoneySIOUX said: Why wouldn't TSA fire this person? https://www.afge.org/about-us/agencies/tsa/ Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 6 hours ago, Shawn-O said: https://www.afge.org/about-us/agencies/tsa/ Care to explain? I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing anything to indicate why this person wouldn't be fired based on the allegation, if it's true. Quote
Shawn-O Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 5 hours ago, stoneySIOUX said: Care to explain? I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing anything to indicate why this person wouldn't be fired based on the allegation, if it's true. They are union employees, and can only be terminated for "just cause". Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Shawn-O said: They are union employees, and can only be terminated for "just cause". Ah, got it. So, that actually confuses me a bit. Would that increase the likelihood that this happened or decrease, in your opinion? Honest question. My take, and I have no idea how unions work in full, that if this actually happened, the dude would get fired. Without question. Quote
Shawn-O Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 19 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said: Ah, got it. So, that actually confuses me a bit. Would that increase the likelihood that this happened or decrease, in your opinion? Honest question. My take, and I have no idea how unions work in full, that if this actually happened, the dude would get fired. Without question. I'm with you. I think it muddies the water in terms of terminating this individual. Seems like just cause but who knows? Quote
stoneySIOUX Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 50 minutes ago, Shawn-O said: I'm with you. I think it muddies the water in terms of terminating this individual. Seems like just cause but who knows? Right. So, leans me towards that it didn't happen, but whatever. Quote
Blackheart Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 2 hours ago, Siouxphan27 said: Was the agent a white guy? Appears to have been a female... “The agent said she needed to pat down my braids,” tweeted Tara Houska, an indigenous rights advocate and attorney. “She pulled them behind my shoulders, laughed and said ‘giddyup!’ as she snapped my braids like reins. My hair is part of my spirit. I am a Native woman. I am angry, humiliated. Your ‘fun’ hurt.” Houska, who is Ojibwe, added: “When I informed the middle-aged blonde woman who had casually used her authority to dehumanize and disrespect me, she said, ‘Well it was just in fun, I’m sorry. Your hair is lovely.’ Quote
MafiaMan Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 3 hours ago, Blackheart said: Appears to have been a female... “The agent said she needed to pat down my braids,” tweeted Tara Houska, an indigenous rights advocate and attorney. “She pulled them behind my shoulders, laughed and said ‘giddyup!’ as she snapped my braids like reins. My hair is part of my spirit. I am a Native woman. I am angry, humiliated. Your ‘fun’ hurt.” Houska, who is Ojibwe, added: “When I informed the middle-aged blonde woman who had casually used her authority to dehumanize and disrespect me, she said, ‘Well it was just in fun, I’m sorry. Your hair is lovely.’ Yes, let's make sure to identify the hair color of the woman (to make sure everyone know's she's white) for maximum effect. Would she have said, "raven-haired woman" had that been the case? 1 1 Quote
Oxbow6 Posted January 23, 2020 Posted January 23, 2020 14 minutes ago, MafiaMan said: Yes, let's make sure to identify the hair color of the woman (to make sure everyone know's she's white) for maximum effect. Would she have wanted to say "raven-haired woman" had that been the case? Only if her last name is Seymone. Quote
petey23 Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 4 hours ago, MafiaMan said: Yes, let's make sure to identify the hair color of the woman (to make sure everyone know's she's white) for maximum effect. Would she have said, "raven-haired woman" had that been the case? She assumed her race? Paging Rachel Dolezal and Shaun King 2 Quote
MafiaMan Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 1 hour ago, petey23 said: She assumed her race? Paging Rachel Dolezal and Shaun King She assumed her gender, too, apparently. Whoops. I just assumed her preferred pronoun. Oh FFS...I just did it again. 2 Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 24, 2020 Posted January 24, 2020 20 hours ago, MafiaMan said: She assumed her gender, too, apparently. Whoops. I just assumed her preferred pronoun. Oh FFS...I just did it again. Off to school with you! 1 Quote
ScottM Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 KC Chiefs name, fan behavior ahead of the Big Game We would have never seen this one coming ... Quote
The Sicatoka Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 25 minutes ago, ScottM said: KC Chiefs name, fan behavior ahead of the Big Game We would have never seen this one coming ... Whodathunk. Quote
Northcountry Posted January 27, 2020 Posted January 27, 2020 It is a pity that UND was not able to fine that bridge between honoring its own traditions (Sioux - related) and those of the people whose name we were using (Sioux - actually). I really miss all things Sioux that came with football, basketball, and hockey, but perfect hindsight shows us that we missed an opportunity when Native American groups brought up the name issue and instead of asking how we could incorporate and make it an actual honor we reacted defensively and either ignored them, dismissed them, or derided them for being so easily offended. When it became apparent that the nickname was in jeopardy efforts were made (the Shawn Walsh tribute, the Kibble tribute, and other gestures that Coach Glas tried at basketball games), but it was too late. I still refer to UND as the Sioux, but have accepted that it is part of the past and it is the UNIVERSITY that I support, by whatever name. 1 Quote
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