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Slavery is an ugly part of America's past, but was also what built America to become an economic power. Not proud of it, but is true. You can also trace a lot of today's social problems to the all of the social programs that the Federal government has implemented since the 1960's.

Wow.

Sounds like you think certain people just got uppity in the 60's...

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Slavery is an ugly part of America's past, but was also what built America to become an economic power.  Not proud of it, but is true.  You can also trace a lot of today's social problems to the all of the social programs that the Federal government has implemented since the 1960's. 

So if we just got rid of all the Great Society programs, everything would magically fix itself?  I think you are listening to too much Ron Paul. :p

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Period-specific video games, television shows and movies are not racist; they are just telling our history.  Flying the Confederate flag on government property is implying official government sanction of the symbol and what it stands for, so that is why states are removing it from government property.

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Period-specific video games, television shows and movies are not racist; they are just telling our history.  Flying the Confederate flag on government property is implying official government sanction of the symbol and what it stands for, so that is why states are removing it from government property.

 

I don't disagree, just pointing out that Apple is going overboard.  

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Period-specific video games, television shows and movies are not racist; they are just telling our history.  Flying the Confederate flag on government property is implying official government sanction of the symbol and what it stands for, so that is why states are removing it from government property.

Agree, but if this crap keeps going, Amazon Prime may delete my copy of Gettysburg.  :sad:

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Slavery is an ugly part of America's past, but was also what built America to become an economic power.  Not proud of it, but is true.  You can also trace a lot of today's social problems to the all of the social programs that the Federal government has implemented since the 1960's. 

Actually, slavery held America back. Had the institution of slavery been dissolved fifty years earlier than it actually was ended, the technological advancement that was the cotton gin would have also have been made about fifty years earlier. You also ignore the fact that most of the industrial output in the country in the 1800's was in the North.

 

Linking social problems to policies enacted in the 1960's in more than a speculative manner would be highly problematic.

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Actually, slavery held America back. Had the institution of slavery been dissolved fifty years earlier than it actually was ended, the technological advancement that was the cotton gin would have also have been made about fifty years earlier. You also ignore the fact that most of the industrial output in the country in the 1800's was in the North.

 

Linking social problems to policies enacted in the 1960's in more than a speculative manner would be highly problematic.

http://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-by-era/slavery-and-anti-slavery/resources/was-slavery-engine-american-economic-growth

 

In the pre-Civil War United States, a stronger case can be made that slavery played a critical role in economic development. One crop, slave-grown cotton provided over half of all U.S. export earnings. By 1840, the South grew 60 percent of the world's cotton and provided some 70 percent of the cotton consumed by the British textile industry. Thus slavery paid for a substantial share of the capital, iron, and manufactured good that laid the basis for American economic growth. In addition, precisely because the South specialized in cotton production, the North developed a variety of businesses that provided services for the slave South, including textile factories, a meat processing industry, insurance companies, shippers, and cotton brokers....

 

.....Slavery was an economically efficient system of production, adaptable to tasks ranging from agriculture to mining, construction, and factory work. Furthermore, slavery was capable of producing enormous amounts of wealth. On the eve of the Civil War, the slave South had achieved a level of per capita wealth not matched by Spain or Italy until the eve of World War II or by Mexico or India until 1960.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cotton_gin

Whitney's gin revolutionized the cotton industry in the United States, but also led to the growth of slavery in the American South as the demand for cotton workers rapidly increased. The invention has thus been identified as an inadvertent contributing factor to the outbreak of the American Civil War.[4] Modern automated cotton gins use multiple powered cleaning cylinders and saws, and offer far higher productivity than their hand-powered forebears.

In regards to the welfare system, you have generations of entrenched poverty where they know nothing, but the handout.  Dads are not part of the family.  Single moms raising kids with Uncle Sam as the dad.  72% of black babies are born to unmarried mothers.  The break-up of the nuclear family can be traced back to the programs of the 1960's.

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Since we are using Wikipedia today: "Modern automated cotton gins use multiple powered cleaning cylinders and saws, and offer far higher productivity than their hand powered forebears."

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Only in 'Murica are traitors and subversives cannonized and honored as if they are heroic figures. In any other country, the "rebs" would have been executed for treason.

I guess you can thank Abraham Lincoln for not ordering the plundering, pillaging, looting, and burning of the entire Confederacy as punishment for the Civil War. It was only because of him that the rebels were to be treated as what they were once again - American citizens.

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I guess you can thank Abraham Lincoln for not ordering the plundering, pillaging, looting, and burning of the entire Confederacy as punishment for the Civil War. It was only because of him that the rebels were to be treated as what they were once again - American citizens.

And Lincoln was right not to "plunder, pillage, loot and burn" the South; it would be like nuking Japan post-war as a final kick to the gut of a vanquished enemy.  But Reconstruction was stopped before it had a chance to change things for the better, which led to 100 years of Jim Crow.

 

And btw, your comment needs to be preached to bitter Southerners who have those stupid bumper stickers that say "The South will rise again".  They weren't treated like the enemy after the war and instead of building a better society and economy, they chose to don white hoods and terrorize the "Negros" with cross burnings and lynchings.  And that is a legacy we are still dealing with today.

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Sorry, guys... Lincoln was shot 5 days after Lee surrendered. He really didn't have a lot to do with how the South was treated after the war.

 

Abraham Lincoln issued the Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction on December 8, 1863.  His plan for how the south was to re-join the Union was put in place long before his death on April 15, 1865.  

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Sioux Sports is just a font of historical information lately.

 

It's a pleasant change from being the #1 spot on the web for Boston Bruins' updates and information.   :p

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Yeah, this weekend was nothing short of a disaster.  I'm currently self-medicating after watching Don Sweeney totally F up.  But I don't want to hijack this thread...I would certainly be more than happy to vent about this and discuss in the NHL threads in the Non-Collegiate Sports section.

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Everything, and everyone, but the nutbag.

Correct...........got to find some deep, hidden underlying motive to place blame. Most will not accept "nutbag" as the answer.

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