darell1976 Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 Thanks for that link. I found this in that story: He said nickname supporters will continue to circulate petitions for another vote, an initiated measure that would secure the nickname in the state constitution. If enough signatures are filed by August, that vote could occur in November, but Johnson said the group may wait to file until December for a vote on the constitutional amendment in 2014. If they do, it will get smacked down by an even larger margin. Good luck getting more signatures. People are tired of this issue and when 67% of the state say its over...its over!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Those who voted yes should have no say in the new mascot. Sense that does not make. The ones who wanted to blow up the athletic department should be the ones to put forth a new nickname?? I would think the opposite would be more appropriate. Wrong, but more appropriate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Sense that does not make. The ones who wanted to blow up the athletic department should be the ones to put forth a new nickname?? I would think the opposite would be more appropriate. Wrong, but more appropriate. Everybody should be involved. I'm sure that many of the "NO" voters will give it up and support the teams after this vote essentially killed the Fighting Sioux name. Their feelings are hurt now, but many will be back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 This is definitely not the time people should be excluded from an important decision. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 This is definitely not the time people should be excluded from an important decision. I'm pretty sure we wer simply joking...or speaking out of frustration. Obviously everyone would have to have a say....although if it's Norse or Norseman I will vomit. Also, Ben better be able to whip up another sweet logo :o) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post breakin face Posted June 13, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2012 The celebratory nature on this board is down right appalling. I understand what the university would have been through had the name stuck, however over the last three years for the first time in the our university's history it wasn't in honor of the tribes. It became a a political football, a pawn in the quest for conference exclusion, a page-turner for the Grand Forks Herald, and one more example of the overbearing NCAA bullying its member oblivious of its own hypocrisies. The logo allowed me to see the inept nature of our educational leadership in this state, who completely mishandled this situation ever since the 'hostile and abusive' mandate was announced. It's a shame to see our leaders waited to get involved until they had some stake in the game. Tim O'Keefe is being heralded as a martyr at this point, if we would have laid this scenario at three years ago 90% of you would be calling for his head. The only threat in the sanctioning was the loss of the Big Sky, which don't get me wrong is a tremendous threat to our olympic sports (football included). The fact that Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, and South Dakota State wouldn't schedule us has no bearing on the success our athletic department whatsoever. Hell we have played NDSU less than a handful of times in most sports and 0 times in football since the move to D1, what are the chances we would play any of those schools within the next decade anyhow? We'll play as many games against Minnesota and Wisconsin in post season competition as we would have at the Ralph ever again anyway. I realize the name is retired and for all intensive purposes will be for good at this point. It would take a complete culture shift in many places Standing Rock, SBoHE, UND'S Leadership (all of which of lost any confidence in throughout this debacle). What was done at the polls yesterday is the equivalent of pulling the plug on a loved one, who by no fault of their own or what they stood for, became too burdened by what was going on around it. Please let's shift the tone from gloating to respecting the tradition that expired last night. Many of you are calling this a bitter sweet moment, Take a second to think about how the villain shifted from the NCAA to Standing Rock to Tom Douple to the SBoHE to Robert Kelley to Logo Supporters and how the issue changed from Tribal Support/feelings to conference inclusion and bureaucratic greed. To retire the name for the reasons we did is far from a time to celebrate, had it been to a tribal vote I would at least respect it. This moment is a hell of a lot more bitter than it is sweet. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scpa0305 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 The celebratory nature on this board is down right appalling. I understand what the university would have been through had the name stuck, however over the last three years for the first time in the our university's history it wasn't in honor of the tribes. It became a a political football, a pawn in the quest for conference exclusion, a page-turner for the Grand Forks Herald, and one more example of the overbearing NCAA bullying its member oblivious of its own hypocrisies. The logo allowed me to see the inept nature of our educational leadership in this state, who completely mishandled this situation ever since the 'hostile and abusive' mandate was announced. It's a shame to see our leaders waited to get involved until they had some stake in the game. Tim O'Keefe is being heralded as a martyr at this point, if we would have laid this scenario at three years ago 90% of you would be calling for his head. The only threat in the sanctioning was the loss of the Big Sky, which don't get me wrong is a tremendous threat to our olympic sports (football included). The fact that Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, and South Dakota State wouldn't schedule us has no bearing on the success our athletic department whatsoever. Hell we have played NDSU less than a handful of times in most sports and 0 times in football since the move to D1, what are the chances we would play any of those schools within the next decade anyhow? We'll play as many games against Minnesota and Wisconsin in post season competition as we would have at the Ralph ever again anyway. I realize the name is retired and for all intensive purposes will be for good at this point. It would take a complete culture shift in many places Standing Rock, SBoHE, UND'S Leadership (all of which of lost any confidence in throughout this debacle). What was done at the polls yesterday is the equivalent of pulling the plug on a loved one, who by no fault of their own or what they stood for, became too burdened by what was going on around it. Please let's shift the tone from gloating to respecting the tradition that expired last night. Many of you are calling this a bitter sweet moment, Take a second to think about how the villain shifted from the NCAA to Standing Rock to Tom Douple to the SBoHE to Robert Kelley to Logo Supporters and how the issue changed from Tribal Support/feelings to conference inclusion and bureaucratic greed. To retire the name for the reasons we did is far from a time to celebrate, had it been to a tribal vote I would at least respect it. This moment is a hell of a lot more bitter than it is sweet. Agreed. That's what I was trying to say earlier....you simply explain this much better than I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post fightingsioux4life Posted June 13, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2012 The celebratory nature on this board is down right appalling. I understand what the university would have been through had the name stuck, however over the last three years for the first time in the our university's history it wasn't in honor of the tribes. It became a a political football, a pawn in the quest for conference exclusion, a page-turner for the Grand Forks Herald, and one more example of the overbearing NCAA bullying its member oblivious of its own hypocrisies. The logo allowed me to see the inept nature of our educational leadership in this state, who completely mishandled this situation ever since the 'hostile and abusive' mandate was announced. It's a shame to see our leaders waited to get involved until they had some stake in the game. Tim O'Keefe is being heralded as a martyr at this point, if we would have laid this scenario at three years ago 90% of you would be calling for his head. The only threat in the sanctioning was the loss of the Big Sky, which don't get me wrong is a tremendous threat to our olympic sports (football included). The fact that Minnesota, Iowa, Wisconsin, and South Dakota State wouldn't schedule us has no bearing on the success our athletic department whatsoever. Hell we have played NDSU less than a handful of times in most sports and 0 times in football since the move to D1, what are the chances we would play any of those schools within the next decade anyhow? We'll play as many games against Minnesota and Wisconsin in post season competition as we would have at the Ralph ever again anyway. I realize the name is retired and for all intensive purposes will be for good at this point. It would take a complete culture shift in many places Standing Rock, SBoHE, UND'S Leadership (all of which of lost any confidence in throughout this debacle). What was done at the polls yesterday is the equivalent of pulling the plug on a loved one, who by no fault of their own or what they stood for, became too burdened by what was going on around it. Please let's shift the tone from gloating to respecting the tradition that expired last night. Many of you are calling this a bitter sweet moment, Take a second to think about how the villain shifted from the NCAA to Standing Rock to Tom Douple to the SBoHE to Robert Kelley to Logo Supporters and how the issue changed from Tribal Support/feelings to conference inclusion and bureaucratic greed. To retire the name for the reasons we did is far from a time to celebrate, had it been to a tribal vote I would at least respect it. This moment is a hell of a lot more bitter than it is sweet. This is blatantly false. Not being able to play Minnesota and Wisconsin in hockey and other sports IS a big deal. Not being able to host playoff games IS a big deal. Not playing schools we have had long associations with (NDSU, SDSU) IS a big deal. And the people of North Dakota, by a 2 to 1 margin, sent a clear message that losing all of that was too big of a price to pay. Of course, people like you will always insist that all of these sanctions would have been "a small price to pay" to keep the name and logo. Most people on here are sad to see the name and logo retired, but most of us realize it is a necessary evil in order to compete in Division I athletics. I understand your feelings (I share them), but sometimes in life you have to move on and this is one of those times. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakin face Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 This is blatantly false. Not being able to play Minnesota and Wisconsin in hockey and other sports IS a big deal. Not being able to host playoff games IS a big deal. Not playing schools we have had long associations with (NDSU, SDSU) IS a big deal. And the people of North Dakota, by a 2 to 1 margin, sent a clear message that losing all of that was too big of a price to pay. Of course, people like you will always insist that all of these sanctions would have been "a small price to pay" to keep the name and logo. Most people on here are sad to see the name and logo retired, but most of us realize it is a necessary evil in order to compete in Division I athletics. I understand your feelings (I share them), but sometimes in life you have to move on and this is one of those times. A bigger deal is a leader of an athletic program going on a statewide campaign saying he needs home playoff games to compete, that's a guy I'm sure recruits will rally around playing for...that'll be used by opponents recruiting against us just as much as the sanctions would have been. I want a coach who believes he can win championships no matter the circumstances and a university that stands for what's right. If that's the minority in this world we've fallen a lot more than I've thought. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottM Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 A bigger deal is a leader of an athletic program going on a statewide campaign saying he needs home playoff games to compete, that's a guy I'm sure recruits will rally around playing for...that'll be used by opponents recruiting against us just as much as the sanctions would have been. I want a coach who believes he can win championships no matter the circumstances and a university that stands for what's right. If that's the minority in this world we've fallen a lot more than I've thought. You lost, get over it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 A bigger deal is a leader of an athletic program going on a statewide campaign saying he needs home playoff games to compete, that's a guy I'm sure recruits will rally around playing for...that'll be used by opponents recruiting against us just as much as the sanctions would have been. I want a coach who believes he can win championships no matter the circumstances and a university that stands for what's right. If that's the minority in this world we've fallen a lot more than I've thought. Obviously you forgot that Dale Lennon came out and said UND lost recruits because of the nickname...home playoff games are a way to get recruits to come to UND. Do you think NDSU would have won a National Title on the road in every game? UND couldn't have done it in 2001. Its called home field advantage it is a huge factor when it comes to playoffs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNDColorado Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 A bigger deal is a leader of an athletic program going on a statewide campaign saying he needs home playoff games to compete, that's a guy I'm sure recruits will rally around playing for...that'll be used by opponents recruiting against us just as much as the sanctions would have been. I want a coach who believes he can win championships no matter the circumstances and a university that stands for what's right. If that's the minority in this world we've fallen a lot more than I've thought. Are you trying to convey that home field advantage in the playoffs is not a big deal? I have news for you in that other coaches and recruiters have been using that exact same argument against UND when pitching recruits over the last couple years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakin face Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Obviously you forgot that Dale Lennon came out and said UND lost recruits because of the nickname...home playoff games are a way to get recruits to come to UND. Do you think NDSU would have won a National Title on the road in every game? UND couldn't have done it in 2001. Its called home field advantage it is a huge factor when it comes to playoffs. I didn't forget that, I remember it clearly. Now Dale Lennon is going to draw a distinct comparison that he thinks he can win anywhere, anytime as opposed to our coach who needs a home playoff game to win a national championship. I'd rather get the focus on my original post of paying the nickname its proper respect instead of rehashing the same old arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND1983 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I didn't forget that, I remember it clearly. Now Dale Lennon is going to draw a distinct comparison that he thinks he can win anywhere, anytime as opposed to our coach who needs a home playoff game to win a national championship. I'd rather get the focus on my original post of paying the nickname its proper respect instead of rehashing the same old arguments. Its obvious that Dale didn't think he could win at UND during the transition and with this name fiasco going on. There isn't a coach in the world who would come out and say they "don't mind the sanctions, we will just have to win the National Championship on the road for 4 straight games". Every year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
breakin face Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Its obvious that Dale didn't think he could win at UND during the transition and with this name fiasco going on. There isn't a coach in the world who would come out and say they "don't mind the sanctions, we will just have to win the National Championship on the road for 4 straight games". Every year. Why not? Sounds like the right attitude to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post 82SiouxGuy Posted June 13, 2012 Popular Post Share Posted June 13, 2012 A bigger deal is a leader of an athletic program going on a statewide campaign saying he needs home playoff games to compete, that's a guy I'm sure recruits will rally around playing for...that'll be used by opponents recruiting against us just as much as the sanctions would have been. I want a coach who believes he can win championships no matter the circumstances and a university that stands for what's right. If that's the minority in this world we've fallen a lot more than I've thought. I want a coach that fights to get every advantage possible for my team. Not someone that is willing to handicap the team just to keep a sports nickname. Very few recruits were going to come to UND because they liked the nickname, and they weren't going to come to UND because UND was standing up to the NCAA. Just the word sanctions being associated with UND athletics would have kept athletes away from the school. It is hard enough to win playoff games, giving away any potential advantages is just stupid. The nickname wasn't always meant to honor the Native American culture. It was adopted in large part because the Sioux had a history of hunting bison, and it was easy to use in chants. No effort to honor the NA's. Through the 1960's, with UND using the Sammy Sioux logo, efforts were not made to honor Native Americans. In fact, it was only in the last decade or 2 that efforts were made to connect honor to the name. That was because people didn't want to lose the name. UND fans were proud of the name before that, but there really wasn't a great connection to honoring the tribes. You act like the effort to remove the Sioux name, or efforts to remove Native American names, is something new. The efforts started back in the 1960's. Almost every national Native American group has supported the removal of Native American sports nicknames. Colleges and high schools started dropping the names in the 1970's. The NCAA started looking at the topic in 1998 or before. The 2005 policy had the support of all national Native American groups. All regional tribes except Spirit Lake still support eliminating Native American sports nicknames. UND was caught in that movement. The only that UND had was to develop long term relationships with the local tribes. That didn't happen. So it was time to move on. Time to stop the constant fighting about the issue. Time for UND to move forward. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hambone Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Measure 4 results are now on the front page of cnnsi.com. Here is the AP article. http://sportsillustr...ml?sct=hp_t2_a9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hayduke Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Measure 4 results are now on the front page of cnnsi.com. Here is the AP article. http://sportsillustr...ml?sct=hp_t2_a9 "North Dakota voters overwhelmingly decided Tuesday to let the state's flagship university dump a controversial Fighting Sioux nickname" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 A bigger deal is a leader of an athletic program going on a statewide campaign saying he needs home playoff games to compete, that's a guy I'm sure recruits will rally around playing for...that'll be used by opponents recruiting against us just as much as the sanctions would have been. I want a coach who believes he can win championships no matter the circumstances and a university that stands for what's right. If that's the minority in this world we've fallen a lot more than I've thought. How many football teams in any division of college football have gone on to win a National Championship without hosting at least one playoff game the year they won it?? The chances of winning all road games to a National Championship,especially at the FCS level, is nearly impossible. So recruits are going to look at that when they choose a school. They basically decide whether they want to play for a chance to sin a national championship, or play at UND where the chance is very slim due to the sanction of not being able to host. Sure a coach can rise above circumstances that come up from season to season. Issues like losing a starting quarterback, runningback, etc. But not being able to host a playoff game is a circumstance that can be avoided. Why not give your coach and team the best chance of winning. Any retiring the Sioux name will do that for the football team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Sicatoka Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I want a coach that fights to get every advantage possible for my team. The unofficial motto of SEC football? If ya ain't cheatin' ya ain't tryin'. I want every advantage within the rules (plus as many others as you can get away with ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 From UNDSID Athletics Director Brian Faison will be on WDAY's Christopher Gabriel Program (@CGProgram) today at 11:35. Talking about Measure 4 and is it end of the nickname issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goon Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 From UNDSID Talking about Measure 4 and is it end of the nickname issue. Does anyone know if this will be on a podcast later? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GeauxSioux Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 Again from UNDSID Athletics Director Brian Faison will be on with Scott Kittell on 910 AM KCJB in Minot at 1:10 pm. Listen live here: http://t.co/aEPfZGFN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iramurphy Posted June 13, 2012 Share Posted June 13, 2012 I wonder if we can vote for a new mascot. I mean those who voted no. Those who voted yes today will get their wish. Let us have ours. We didn't have a mascot. That was misinformation used by the name opponents over the years when they were lobbying the NCAA to drop the name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted June 13, 2012 Author Share Posted June 13, 2012 Brian Faison was asked about the REA, and he said UND is going to work with the REA, NCAA, and the Attny General with the logos in the settlement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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