2012-13 Season

[82SiouxGuy]

I think if there is any knock on forbort it has to be his lack of size. I believe he is about 6'4 or so but seems to be to lanky. He needs to bulk up and start building some muscle for that 6'4 frame. He has pretty much all the skill now he has to allow his body to catch up.

Just because he is 6' 4" doesn't mean that he can become some muscle bound hulk. Not all bodies are built that way. And that may not work with his skill set. The stereotype of the hulking defenseman isn't always the way to go for a player. Forbert is better off working with the coaching and training staff to find the best fit for his skill sets.

[Wilbur]

Normally the best defensemen are ones that you don't notice during games. I'd say that was Forbort quite a bit the second half of last season. Did not have his best game in the season finale....but who did?

I don't think Forbort is a guy that is going to be a big bulky guy at any time in his hockey career. The same could be said for Brock Nelson. It just probably won't happen.

[as15]

Normally the best defensemen are ones that you don't notice during games. I'd say that was Forbort quite a bit the second half of last season. Did not have his best game in the season finale....but who did?

I don't think Forbort is a guy that is going to be a big bulky guy at any time in his hockey career. The same could be said for Brock Nelson. It just probably won't happen.

I agree, but I still fully expect both to play around 215-220 in the NHL, which means both have to gain at least another 10+ pounds.

[Wilbur]

O' Donnell- Knight- Kristo

Macmillian- Grimaldi- Parks

Chyzyk, Sanderson- Rowney-Rodwell

Gaarder-St. Clair- Caggiula

First 2 lines look good unless you want to switch Grimaldi and O' Donnell around but I think they want Grimaldi at center and I'm sure O'Donnell can replace Nelson, and I don't think you want to split up the chemistry between Parks and Macmillian. I think Rowney should center the 3rd line with Rodwell and not sure between the other 2. I think Gaarder played good enough last season to keep him on the 4th line. I cant remember what St.Clair is so I put him at center. Then I guess sitting will be Pattyn and Senkbeil, they should both see playing time sometime though. I think Sanderson was a forward, my bad if he's not.

MacWillian- Mattson

Forbort- Schmaltz

Simpson-Gleason

MacWilliam-C

Knight-A

Kristo-A

Gleason or Rowney-A

I like the lines setup that you've got here. You have to keep Kristo and Knight together, and it really doesn't matter who you put with them because that line would have success with me on a wing. What excites me is the third line. Rowney had a breakout year, and having him center the third unit with maybe Rodwell and Macmillan or even a guy like Parks makes for three scoring lines. My fourth line would be Gaarder, with Pattyn and St. Clair. But then again, you never know what you'll get with the incoming rookies.

C-Knight

A-MacWilliam

A-Rowney

A-Gleaason

[as15]

I like the lines setup that you've got here. You have to keep Kristo and Knight together, and it really doesn't matter who you put with them because that line would have success with me on a wing. What excites me is the third line. Rowney had a breakout year, and having him center the third unit with maybe Rodwell and Macmillan or even a guy like Parks makes for three scoring lines. My fourth line would be Gaarder, with Pattyn and St. Clair. But then again, you never know what you'll get with the incoming rookies.

C-Knight

A-MacWilliam

A-Rowney

A-Gleaason

I really think Kristo gets an A this year, he showed solid leadership last year, and his commitment to the program is impressive. I thought for sure he would have signed after his sophomore year, to get him all 4 years is amazing.

[burd]

I really think Kristo gets an A this year, he showed solid leadership last year, and his commitment to the program is impressive. I thought for sure he would have signed after his sophomore year, to get him all 4 years is amazing.

I agree. He really showed desire to win last year and, at the same time, he played the team game in the offensive end.

[yzerman19]

Mac with the C

Knight and Kristo with As

[siouxczech29]

Mac with the C

Knight and Kristo with As

I'd like to see Gleason with a letter on his jersey.

[Emerald joker]

I'd like to see Gleason with a letter on his jersey.

Lets make everyone happy

MacWilliam C

Knight C

Rowney C

Kristo C

Gleason C am I missing anyone?

[UNDBIZ]

Lets make everyone happy

MacWilliam C

Knight C

Rowney C

Kristo C

Gleason C am I missing anyone?

Dell should get a "C" too if he returns

[Emerald joker]

Dell should get a "C" too if he returns

Ok how about all the seniors get the C, the juniors and sophomores get A's, then the freshman can get lower case a's to the big A's, there no ones left out and everyone is happy.

[scpa0305]

No way they split up the Parks-Rowney-MacMillan line....at least not to start the year. As for the first line, I say they go with fire works right off the bat since they know they have an abundance of dudes who can fill that 3rd/4th line, by that, I mean Kristo-Knight-Grimaldi. Let's see what happens. Pattyn should definitely get the first crack at filling a fourth line role. Plug the rest of the third/fourth lines with harding work frosh's and defensive minded, energetic forwards.

As for the Dmen, no need to discuss. They are jacked up.

As for goalies, hopefully Dell leaves and we can all start watching a goalie who's save % follows their GAA. No super knock on Dell, but besides the end of the season, the guy was pretty terrible given the pedigree of many of the players in front of him (especially two years ago). His save % has always been absolute garbage considering his GAA.

As for the team (as a whole), I hope this is the year. We're due.

[Big A HG]

Dell let a few more softies in this year than last year, but all-in-all, he's been pretty solid for us. He did earn All-American honors last year. Dell certainly didn't lose us many games.

[yzerman19]

Players and the game itself are about much more that stats. An excellent GAA and Win% is a reflection of team defense- something the Sioux pride themselves on. One of the key components of team defense is also likely to have a negative impact on save %- limiting opponents' shots on goal. The Sioux really limit the shots on goal from outside with their shot blocking and cycle play...it is tough for opponents to get shots when the Sioux are forechecking well and keeping the puck deep in the other zone. Another key aspect of save percentage is quality shots- this speaks poorly of team defense- or more appropriately speaks of defensive or mental breakdowns resulting is really good looks at the net from prime scoring areas.

When I watch Dell, what I've seen is that more often than not (clearly everyone has an off night) he makes the first and usually the second save. When goals are scored on third or fourth attempts in a flurry, that is the whole team's fault and especially the d-men for not getting to their man or clearing out the puck...Brad Berry anyone?

First save is about goalie positioning and seeing the puck, second save is about rebound control, third and subsequent are about the players who play outside the pipes.

[scpa0305]

Players and the game itself are about much more that stats. An excellent GAA and Win% is a reflection of team defense- something the Sioux pride themselves on. One of the key components of team defense is also likely to have a negative impact on save %- limiting opponents' shots on goal. The Sioux really limit the shots on goal from outside with their shot blocking and cycle play...it is tough for opponents to get shots when the Sioux are forechecking well and keeping the puck deep in the other zone. Another key aspect of save percentage is quality shots- this speaks poorly of team defense- or more appropriately speaks of defensive or mental breakdowns resulting is really good looks at the net from prime scoring areas.

When I watch Dell, what I've seen is that more often than not (clearly everyone has an off night) he makes the first and usually the second save. When goals are scored on third or fourth attempts in a flurry, that is the whole team's fault and especially the d-men for not getting to their man or clearing out the puck...Brad Berry anyone?

First save is about goalie positioning and seeing the puck, second save is about rebound control, third and subsequent are about the players who play outside the pipes.

Yes I do agree with you regarding the style of defense played by the Sioux, however, where I don't agree with you is that a good save% can't follow a good GAA. I am not trying to sit here and bash Dell (although it kind of looks that way), because all in all, the guy was never supposed to start in the first place, however, his rebound control has to improve before the next level, which is also the reason I think he comes back for sure. He was decent in all facets of goaltending besides rebound control. Even two seasons ago when we had the most outstanding D core I had seen in some time (on any college roster) I just thought he let in too many softies. Last year was a terrible season for him (not counting the end of the season, which I guess matters most) but I really have never seen a goalie get pulled that much.

All in all, yes he has been an average goalie with a great defense and some would argue that is all we need to get where we have the past few years. Also, he has played well in the playoffs for the most part. I am just really excited to see what Gothberg has to bring. I was able to watch him in the playoffs this year (against Lincoln) and he is very good. Hakstol will have a pretty tough decision to make.

[The Sicatoka]

I'm not following these "who's save % follows their GAA" or "a good save% can't follow a good GAA" statements.

(shots on goal faced) * ( 1 - save percent ) = goals allowed

You normalize that equation to a 60 minute game (based on total minutes played) to get GAA.

Even if you have a rock steady save percentage through the year, your GAA can vary based on the number of shots you face. The number of shots you face is controlled not by the goalie but by the teams in front of him (and that's teams, plural, because it's both how many do your guys let on goal and how many shots do the opponents attempt).

If your save% isn't following your GAA (and by "follow" I assume you mean "inversely follow" as save% going up should make GAA go down) you need to look at the other factor: shots on goal faced.

Here are numbers for three NCAA goalies this past season:

Goalie  Minutes GA Shots save ratio GAA SPG

A. Dell  1799.87 80 797 0.900  2.67 26.6

Eidsness 718.9 26 326 0.920  2.17 27.2

Saunders 1534 95 1013 0.906  3.72 39.6

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Note that Dell has a worse save ratio than Saunders but a better GAA. That's the "shots faced" (SPG) factor. Saunders was seeing about 50% more shots per game than either Dell or Eids.

[scpa0305]

I'm not following these "who's save % follows their GAA" or "a good save% can't follow a good GAA" statements.

(shots on goal faced) * ( 1 - save percent ) = goals allowed

You normalize that equation to a 60 minute game (based on total minutes played) to get GAA.

Even if you have a rock steady save percentage through the year, your GAA can vary based on the number of shots you face. The number of shots you face is controlled not by the goalie but by the teams in front of him (and that's teams, plural, because it's both how many do your guys let on goal and how many shots do the opponents attempt).

If your save% isn't following your GAA (and by "follow" I assume you mean "inversely follow" as save% going up should make GAA go down) you need to look at the other factor: shots on goal faced.

Here are numbers for three NCAA goalies this past season:

Goalie  Minutes GA Shots save ratio GAA SPG

A. Dell  1799.87 80 797 0.900  2.67 26.6

Eidsness 718.9 26 326 0.920  2.17 27.2

Saunders 1534 95 1013 0.906  3.72 39.6

Note that Dell has a worse save ratio than Saunders but a better GAA. That's the "shots faced" (SPG) factor. Saunders was seeing about 50% more shots per game than either Dell or Eids.

OK, I don't think you are following me. Yes I agree because Saunders was on the WORST team in the league and, I guess, he was a decent goalie his save % was decent and his GAA was not all that great (opposite of Dell). Well that just leads me to believe that he may be a decent goalie, because his save % is good. However, due to the terribleness of his team, his GAA will be bad. You sort of made my point. Now if a below average goalie plays for an outstanding team, yes I would expect his GAA to be low, because his defense is good. Now if you had a great goalie, on a great team, I would expect both the save % and GAA to be pretty high (thus "follow" each other). I am a Sioux fan, but if you would go take a look at other good goalies you will notice those two goaltending stats usually follow each other unless for two reasons. 1. There is a good goalie on a terrible team, 2. There is a weak goalie on a good team.

If you don't agree, then don't. We'll agree to disagree. I would simply like to give someone else a shot this year. I know last year we didn't have the options and Eideness never really panned out either. But yes, he too had a lot of wins and a decent GAA because he was on awesome teams. Went down way too much and could not cover the top shelf.

[scpa0305]

OK, I don't think you are following me. Yes I agree because Saunders was on the WORST team in the league and, I guess, he was a decent goalie his save % was decent and his GAA was not all that great (opposite of Dell). Well that just leads me to believe that he may be a decent goalie, because his save % is good. However, due to the terribleness of his team, his GAA will be bad. You sort of made my point. Now if a below average goalie plays for an outstanding team, yes I would expect his GAA to be low, because his defense is good. Now if you had a great goalie, on a great team, I would expect both the save % and GAA to be pretty high (thus "follow" each other). I am a Sioux fan, but if you would go take a look at other good goalies you will notice those two goaltending stats usually follow each other unless for two reasons. 1. There is a good goalie on a terrible team, 2. There is a weak goalie on a good team.

If you don't agree, then don't. We'll agree to disagree. I would simply like to give someone else a shot this year. I know last year we didn't have the options and Eideness never really panned out either. But yes, he too had a lot of wins and a decent GAA because he was on awesome teams. Went down way too much and could not cover the top shelf.

Although from the looks of the numbers you produced Eideness's save % was not all that bad last year. 92% or 92.5% and up should be the norm if you have a low GAA. Anything below that means either you let in a few softies each game without getting too many shots or you never bail your team out when they let someone through.

[82SiouxGuy]

Although from the looks of the numbers you produced Eideness's save % was not all that bad last year. 92% or 92.5% and up should be the norm if you have a low GAA. Anything below that means either you let in a few softies each game without getting too many shots or you never bail your team out when they let someone through.

Dell had a .924 save percentage in 2010-2011 which fits in your definition of "the norm". That was in 40 games with a 1.79 GAA. You appear to have some kind of grudge against Dell considering your original post on the subject.

As for goalies, hopefully Dell leaves and we can all start watching a goalie who's save % follows their GAA. No super knock on Dell, but besides the end of the season, the guy was pretty terrible given the pedigree of many of the players in front of him (especially two years ago). His save % has always been absolute garbage considering his GAA.

[scpa0305]

Dell had a .924 save percentage in 2010-2011 which fits in your definition of "the norm". That was in 40 games with a 1.79 GAA. You appear to have some kind of grudge against Dell considering your original post on the subject.

Yes, you may be right. I guess with all the outstanding forward and defense recruits who come in, I have always waited for an awesome goalie (one that will make it to the next level). Dell did just fine, however, there were a few times he let some softies in which I cannot forget. I still think his numbers are strictly a product of the defense we had. If the gophs goalie from last year was playing on the Sioux's '10-'11 team...end of story. I mean look at Chris Noonan (NIA), Parker Milner (BC) and Conner Knapp (miami). Every other teams top goalie has a good GAA and save %...except ours. Even in '10-'11 dell was first in GAA but 8th in save %. A couple other top GAA goalie from that year were also top 5 in save %. Long story short, I should have never said he was a terrible goalie...point taken. He is just simply one of the worst goalies in the WCHA at controlling his rebounds. That's it.

Alright, I'm done with this topic. I hate arguing with fellow Sioux fans. Sorry for mentioning this.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

If the gophs goalie from last year was playing on the Sioux's '10-'11 team...end of story.

You mean the Goalie that was around 50th nationally in Save %?

BTW, Dell was 1st in the WCHA in GAA in '10-'11 and 1st in Save %

http://wcha.com/men/statistics/1011/oagoalies.php

[fightingsioux4life]

Ever since Karl Goehring graduated and moved on, our fan base has always whined and moaned about the goaltending at one point or another. Every goaltender we have had over the past ten years has been raked over the hot coals by our fans at one point or another. Anytime we lose, it's the goaltender's fault. I think it's time we all realize that this is a team game and you win and lose as a team. While I don't think Dell is the best we've had over the past ten years, he has been good for the most part and good enough for us to win most of our games.

I can almost guarrantee you that Gothberg will be burned at the stake by the same people that are talking him up today.

[Fighting Sioux 23]

While I don't think Dell is the best we've had over the past ten years, he has been good for the most part and good enough for us to win most of our games.

Agreed. Dell is 14-1-0 in March. He is clutch. I don't really care too much about his save percentage when his winning percentage is that high.

[scpa0305]

Agreed. Dell is 14-1-0 in March. He is clutch. I don't really care too much about his save percentage when his winning percentage is that high.

Yeah, true. He is clutch and hasn't dissapointed at the end of the year.

[burd]

Since it's that time of year, I'll throw out a golf analogy, which may be full of sh**. This from a fan who really liked Eidsness.

There are some guys who, if you golf with them often enough, you grow to expect some things. I golf with one guy who plays at about a 9. He knows what to do with his clubs and is fully capable of putting together a 73-75 at a fairly challenging course. But if he's hitting the ball real well and scoring at or near par, I can almost guarantee he will cough up a double or triple somewhere along the way to blow his low score. It's not pressure, because we don't play for money, and he might hit the tough hole on the front nine. Maybe it's concentration. Maybe he's just a good but not real good golfer.

Eidsness seemed that way to me. He was real good for the Sioux, and I expecially liked his maturity. We were lucky to have him. But I was never surprised to see the softie--usually just one.

I suppose statistics would disprove what that analogy suggests about his play, but hey, it's summer. It would be a treat, though, to get a goalie who, when he is on, is just plain shut-down. Might be what is needed for #8.