SIOUXFAN97 Posted September 14 Posted September 14 8 minutes ago, Hayduke1 said: That’s fair. Let’s see what happens. u really think that the mwc first choice is northern FCS schools when they can/could add UTEP, nmsu, tsu, UTSA......heck they would upgrade over Fresno by adding cal davis.....even sac state has a higher upside to the conference Quote
Sioux>Bison Posted September 14 Posted September 14 11 hours ago, AJS said: I'm just looking at current operating budgets for athletic programs. 2023 Numbers: FCS: Cal Davis: $48,022,363 Sac State: $44,732,992 UND / NDSU: $33 / 32 million Montana State / SDSU / Montana: $28-26 million USD: $23 million Mountain West: Air Force / UNLV: $67 million Utah State / Nevada / Wyoming / New Mexico: 51 to 47 million I'm just saying from an operating standpoint, for most schools, it's going to take a heavy investment yearly to be comparable. Cal Davis could also bring a good BB program to the MWC, Sac St might have a better chance that the dakotas 1 Quote
Sioux>Bison Posted September 14 Posted September 14 https://www.extrapointsmb.com/p/im-hearing-pac12-expansion-mwc-everybody-else we should listen to Matt Brown, send this to your NDSU friends, much better options than the Dakotas and partially because of basketball!!!! So much for putting all your eggs in one basket! 1 Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted September 14 Posted September 14 11 hours ago, Sioux>Bison said: https://www.extrapointsmb.com/p/im-hearing-pac12-expansion-mwc-everybody-else we should listen to Matt Brown, send this to your NDSU friends, much better options than the Dakotas and partially because of basketball!!!! So much for putting all your eggs in one basket! Interesting article.....only a blip about ndac and sdac. kinda didn't think about air force jumping to the aac to be with their military friends....especially after csu ditched em and only wyoming is kinda left for a long time rival. funny to think that people are even saying "sac state to pac12"....but why not.....population, politics, and stadium is decent. so you would think that sac to mwc would a no brainer? and why not hawaii to pac12 too.....just depends if the pac12 wants to stay somewhat regional or if they go west to rice and tulane and whatnot Quote
Sioux>Bison Posted September 14 Posted September 14 1 hour ago, SIOUXFAN97 said: Interesting article.....only a blip about ndac and sdac. kinda didn't think about air force jumping to the aac to be with their military friends....especially after csu ditched em and only wyoming is kinda left for a long time rival. funny to think that people are even saying "sac state to pac12"....but why not.....population, politics, and stadium is decent. so you would think that sac to mwc would a no brainer? and why not hawaii to pac12 too.....just depends if the pac12 wants to stay somewhat regional or if they go west to rice and tulane and whatnot According to the bozos over on bisonville they think Matt Brown says the Dakota states are next in line after UTEp and NMSU. Reading comprehension not the best at Ag U 1 Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted September 14 Posted September 14 5 minutes ago, Sioux>Bison said: According to the bozos over on bisonville they think Matt Brown says the Dakota states are next in line after UTEp and NMSU. Reading comprehension not the best at Ag U haha...wonder what the ndac to MVC FULL MEMBERSHIP fanboys are thinking about today.... BUT...if the MWC is left wtih USU, Wyoming, and maybe one or 2 more schools do southern schools wanna travel to usu and laramie and reno.....at that point it's a big sky/mwc merger imo............um msu idaho.....plus dak4.....plus what's left of mwc???? im in tho!!!!!! Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted September 14 Posted September 14 would it be that big of a deal for reno and lv to be in different conferences.... a new pac 12 and a new mwc depending on who they get ....i don't see a huge huge difference between the two if this is played out the way it might go unlv in pac12 should be a no brainer..maybe even new mexico...air force to aac makes sense that would leave reno, usu, wyomong, and sjsu...not much there/left Quote
90siouxfan Posted September 14 Posted September 14 Wonder if ND & SD government would stick there noses in and require the in state rivalries to be in the same conference? Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted September 17 Posted September 17 memphis and tulane close to pac12 invite? that would be 8... assuming 2-4 more sooner/later for 10-12? texas school(s) next or keep scooting east....? Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted September 23 Posted September 23 sounds like the AAC 4 might be staying put mwc is upping up some money to unlv and air force to try to keep them from leaving... round and round we go... Quote
nodakvindy Posted September 23 Posted September 23 I think they look to UNLV and Utah St.for all sports, Hawaii for football only and zgonzaga for non football. 9 football for optimal round robin scheduling with potential extra revenue games from Hawaii rule. A very solid basketball league that is probably 6th after the power 4 and big east. Quote
SIOUXFAN97 Posted September 24 Posted September 24 19 hours ago, nodakvindy said: I think they look to UNLV and Utah St.for all sports, Hawaii for football only and zgonzaga for non football. 9 football for optimal round robin scheduling with potential extra revenue games from Hawaii rule. A very solid basketball league that is probably 6th after the power 4 and big east. didn't really believe the usu stuff...but it's looking that way or already is. i think it would've taken 9 members to dissovle the mwc......so far adding these five have cost the pac 12 how many millions? Quote
UND1983 Posted September 25 Posted September 25 7 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said: Ndsu is gone Let’s hope so, that MWC would be ideal for them Quote
AJS Posted September 25 Posted September 25 10 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said: Ndsu is gone Why do you think that? Quote
AJS Posted September 25 Posted September 25 The one thing I don't think gets enough attention is enrollment of schools at the G5 level. Much easier to fund athletic departments with student fees and state funding vs private donations. Clearly more sustainable. If you look at the current Mountain West, the lowest enrollment is Hawaii at 19K and then Nevada and UNM around 21/22K. Schools that have publicly came out as wanting membership. NMSU (21K), Sac State (32K) Others. UC Davis: 40K Montana State: 17K UND: 15K NDSU: 12K SDSU: 12K Montana: 10.5K USD: 10K A piece of the puzzle I find interesting. A few big $ donors and that piece is covered (way easier said than done, especially when you're talking annually). No doubt most schools could "figure it out", if the only goal is just to go G5. To compete at the highest level of that division is a different story. I'm far from anti-going FBS. Ideally, we'll stay tethered to the other Dakota schools, whenever that ends up, just wondering (I have no clue either), how many FCS schools really have the finances to compete at the highest G5 level. Another thing is it different in 2024 (NIL), then this would have been in 2015? 1 Quote
nodak651 Posted September 25 Posted September 25 11 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said: Ndsu is gone Can you elaborate on that? Quote
FSSD Posted September 25 Posted September 25 1 hour ago, AJS said: The one thing I don't think gets enough attention is enrollment of schools at the G5 level. Much easier to fund athletic departments with student fees and state funding vs private donations. Clearly more sustainable. If you look at the current Mountain West, the lowest enrollment is Hawaii at 19K and then Nevada and UNM around 21/22K. Schools that have publicly came out as wanting membership. NMSU (21K), Sac State (32K) Others. UC Davis: 40K Montana State: 17K UND: 15K NDSU: 12K SDSU: 12K Montana: 10.5K USD: 10K A piece of the puzzle I find interesting. A few big $ donors and that piece is covered (way easier said than done, especially when you're talking annually). No doubt most schools could "figure it out", if the only goal is just to go G5. To compete at the highest level of that division is a different story. I'm far from anti-going FBS. Ideally, we'll stay tethered to the other Dakota schools, whenever that ends up, just wondering (I have no clue either), how many FCS schools really have the finances to compete at the highest G5 level. Another thing is it different in 2024 (NIL), then this would have been in 2015? The enrollment number for higher FBS that I heard was 35,000 to 40,000. That is why I say the only FCS schools really in play are Davis and Sac St. Quote
Hawkster Posted September 26 Posted September 26 23 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said: Ndsu is gone Gone where? NDSU has been barking up that same FBS tree for years and never gets anywhere. I'll believe it when I see it. Quote
Wildfan Posted September 26 Posted September 26 Sacramento State to build 25,000 seat stadium in hopes to join FBS (sactownsports.com) Sac State is serious about intentions to go FBS, and is planning to make investments to their athletic facilities Quote
The Sicatoka Posted September 26 Author Posted September 26 I'd think a hoops arena would be greater priority for Sac. Quote
nodakvindy Posted September 27 Posted September 27 7 hours ago, The Sicatoka said: I'd think a hoops arena would be greater priority for Sac. They could play in Kings arena. Sometimes renting is smarter than buying. Quote
Nodak78 Posted September 27 Posted September 27 MW is is targeting Texas State all sports, NIU and Toledo for Football. Dom has tears in his eyes. 3 Quote
SiouxHawkGuy Posted September 27 Posted September 27 35 minutes ago, Nodak78 said: MW is is targeting Texas State all sports, NIU and Toledo for Football. Dom has tears in his eyes. Dom will be pushing for NDSU to the MAC tomorrow morning Quote
Nodak78 Posted September 27 Posted September 27 39 minutes ago, SiouxHawkGuy said: Dom will be pushing for NDSU to the MAC tomorrow morning Awesome. Quote
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