andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Because. Because why? Should Minot and Dickinson get the same funding too then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAreNorthDakota Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 How about this...those people whether online or behind a desk trying to achieve a diploma from an institute of higher learning is called a student. Either way they both pay tuition and are trying to achieve the same goal. No one does it just to kill time. So really does it matter if they are sitting next to you in class or sitting behind their computer. Even in my lectures I was often sitting on my couch behind a computer and not sitting next to my classmates in class. Maybe I shouldn't have been counted either? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Because why? Should Minot and Dickinson get the same funding too then? Exactly. My comment was more in jest and I probably should have prefaced it with that. Different programs cost different amounts to run. Different campuses have different needs and expenses. But the reason that people keep giving that they should be funded equally is "Because". I'd like to see the reason for the need. Someone shouldn't get more or less money because someone else does. As it stands, I think that all schools across the state get too much funding and there is too much overhead/administration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andtheHomeoftheSIOUX!! Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 Exactly. My comment was more in jest and I probably should have prefaced it with that. Different programs cost different amounts to run. Different campuses have different needs and expenses. But the reason that people keep giving that they should be funded equally is "Because". I'd like to see the reason for the need. Someone shouldn't get more or less money because someone else does. As it stands, I think that all schools across the state get too much funding and there is too much overhead/administration. AMEN. Especially that last sentence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 The only problem with that is the cost of delivering education to an online student is much different as compared to a traditional student. Yet state funding does not distinguish between the two. This. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted January 30, 2013 Share Posted January 30, 2013 The only problem with that is the cost of delivering education to an online student is much different as compared to a traditional student. Yet state funding does not distinguish between the two. This. Curious if either of you want to expand on the difference in costs and how exactly they are much different, outside of the obvious buildings/classrooms/etc, the majority of which are already in place and don't play into the equation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnboyND7 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Curious if either of you want to expand on the difference in costs and how exactly they are much different, outside of the obvious buildings/classrooms/etc, the majority of which are already in place and don't play into the equation? Professors. I can take a quiz in an online class pretty cheap I presume. I am guessing University of Phoenix online is significantly cheaper for them to run than the University of Minnesota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Curious if either of you want to expand on the difference in costs and how exactly they are much different, outside of the obvious buildings/classrooms/etc, the majority of which are already in place and don't play into the equation? I'm not well-informed enough to give you an exact breakdown per student credit hour, but can provide a little insight into how the numbers are different. My wife is teaching 6 credits worth of online classes this year at MiSU. She's getting about $2500 to do that, or about $416/credit hour. My major adviser at NDSU had a 10% teaching appointment, which required him to teach 3 credit hours per year. If you take 10% of his $90,000 total salary that comes out to $9,000, or $3000 per credit hour. Also, you have to take the facilities into account, as there is opportunity cost there. I want to be clear I'm not discounting the value of online education, I just wish the funding formula would distinguish between online and traditional students. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdub27 Posted January 31, 2013 Share Posted January 31, 2013 Professors. I can take a quiz in an online class pretty cheap I presume. I am guessing University of Phoenix online is significantly cheaper for them to run than the University of Minnesota. Does a professor still not teach you class, have to look at your quiz, input grades, etc? And I'm not talking overall costs to run an institution, I'm asking about credit by credit comparisons on online vs in class. I'm not well-informed enough to give you an exact breakdown per student credit hour, but can provide a little insight into how the numbers are different. My wife is teaching 6 credits worth of online classes this year at MiSU. She's getting about $2500 to do that, or about $416/credit hour. My major adviser at NDSU had a 10% teaching appointment, which required him to teach 3 credit hours per year. If you take 10% of his $90,000 total salary that comes out to $9,000, or $3000 per credit hour. Also, you have to take the facilities into account, as there is opportunity cost there. I want to be clear I'm not discounting the value of online education, I just wish the funding formula would distinguish between online and traditional students. Interesting point. For larger classes, which are usually lower level classes, I believe that their is an economies of scale for teaching and it can be cheaper, especially since a GA or TA teaches a lot of those. When the classes get to be higher level and class sizes are smaller, along with the professor making more than a GA or TA, that is lost. Also, there are often expenses related to the cost of providing an online education that aren't often used when looking at the cost comparison such as the online infrastructure, software, hardware, etc needed to be able to provide it. I've saw a few different studies on it and haven't come up with a real good conclusion other than it is actually a lot closer than people think, though the amount varies from school to school. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Does a professor still not teach you class, have to look at your quiz, input grades, etc? And I'm not talking overall costs to run an institution, I'm asking about credit by credit comparisons on online vs in class. Interesting point. For larger classes, which are usually lower level classes, I believe that their is an economies of scale for teaching and it can be cheaper, especially since a GA or TA teaches a lot of those. When the classes get to be higher level and class sizes are smaller, along with the professor making more than a GA or TA, that is lost. Also, there are often expenses related to the cost of providing an online education that aren't often used when looking at the cost comparison such as the online infrastructure, software, hardware, etc needed to be able to provide it. I've saw a few different studies on it and haven't come up with a real good conclusion other than it is actually a lot closer than people think, though the amount varies from school to school. I just think it would be interesting to put the numbers on what it costs to deliver education via traditional and online methods, and then fund accordingly. It looks like the legislature is looking at differet funding models for higher education (again), hopefully they can make hash out a funding formula that makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 I just think it would be interesting to put the numbers on what it costs to deliver education via traditional and online methods, and then fund accordingly. It looks like the legislature is looking at differet funding models for higher education (again), hopefully they can make hash out a funding formula that makes sense. :D :D now that there's funny. i don't care who you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cratter Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Looks like this thread has run its course... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darell1976 Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Looks like this thread has run its course... Until the media runs another UND-NDSU rivalry story. Like what is more popular UND hockey or NDSU football, or NDSU needs a game could they schedule UND. Other than that we will re-visit this thread next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NDSU grad Posted February 1, 2013 Share Posted February 1, 2013 Looks like this thread has run its course... LOL. It appears the thread has veered slightly off topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herd Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I refer to them because over the years many of them have put down online classes and students just like you continue to do. And you don't seem to understand that the "real college experience" is continually changing. It is different for everyone. There is no "real college experience" that is the same for everyone, or even for a majority of students. It's an illusion that you have stuck in your head, a relic from the past. Online classes are part of the "real college experience" for a large number of students now, and will continue to grow in importance. The important thing is whether the students get a quality education, not some image of the "real college experience" that you seem to have stuck in your head. I think the reason why the football game has not been played, is that Taylor is hoping to schedule the UND game on-line, but is waiting for the details from Bismarck on the on-line football funding formula. This on-line football should be a win-win for both schools, with a lower guarantee and no travel. Faison has stated that he is on board with on-line football and that the formulas are favorable for UND as he indicated, "The costs are right to get this thing done, and frankly it might be a lot easier to get a win. They love us in Bismarck, but if the state folks will throw NDSU a bone to get this thing done, I don't see any harm in that. We will just push to reassert our funding advantage in the next session. LIke I said, they love us in Bismarck!". This on-line game is meeting with mix reviews from Bismarck where some are not eager to re-addess the football funding formula which currently gives a andvantage to und/on-line football credit hour. However, when pressed for comment, the chancelor of the NDSBHE concurred, "If there is a way to correct the formula and make this thing happen, it is our obligation to do so. Competition, it lifts us up, and makes us accountable, and frankly a little equity wouldn't hurt." When asked if playing UND on-line was a good way to re-start the rivalry with UND, NDSU's Gene Taylor smiled and reiterated, "All comers . . . Anyone, anytime, anywhere . . . even in cyberspace. On-line football helps to create a great college experience". It appears the game could happen in 2013. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southpaw Posted February 3, 2013 Share Posted February 3, 2013 I think the reason why the football game has not been played, is that Taylor is hoping to schedule the UND game on-line, but is waiting for the details from Bismarck on the on-line football funding formula. This on-line football should be a win-win for both schools, with a lower guarantee and no travel. Faison has stated that he is on board with on-line football and that the formulas are favorable for UND as he indicated, "The costs are right to get this thing done, and frankly it might be a lot easier to get a win. They love us in Bismarck, but if the state folks will throw NDSU a bone to get this thing done, I don't see any harm in that. We will just push to reassert our funding advantage in the next session. LIke I said, they love us in Bismarck!". This on-line game is meeting with mix reviews from Bismarck where some are not eager to re-addess the football funding formula which currently gives a andvantage to und/on-line football credit hour. However, when pressed for comment, the chancelor of the NDSBHE concurred, "If there is a way to correct the formula and make this thing happen, it is our obligation to do so. Competition, it lifts us up, and makes us accountable, and frankly a little equity wouldn't hurt." When asked if playing UND on-line was a good way to re-start the rivalry with UND, NDSU's Gene Taylor smiled and reiterated, "All comers . . . Anyone, anytime, anywhere . . . even in cyberspace. On-line football helps to create a great college experience". It appears the game could happen in 2013. Good to see NDSU finally get with the times and try and improve their online football presence. Glad they've quit their whining about unfair online football funding and instead are actually going to try and do something that UND has been doing for years. Just another example of NDSU following UND in pretty much everything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UND-1 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Back on topic, I just saw a tweet from what appears to be a Delaware State player that says they play North Dakota State next year. They must have filled one of their Sept slots with the Hornets. Put the issue to rest for another year now. I should add "if true" to the above statement. Just because some kid tweets it does not mean its locked in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiouxVolley Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Back on topic, I just saw a tweet from what appears to be a Delaware State player that says they play North Dakota State next year. They must have filled one of their Sept slots with the Hornets. Put the issue to rest for another year now. Cool. Probably took $300,000 to buy a win vs a MEAC school. For $25,000, they could have had Moorhead St. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Good to see NDSU finally get with the times and try and improve their online football presence. Glad they've quit their whining about unfair online football funding and instead are actually going to try and do something that UND has been doing for years. Just another example of NDSU following UND in pretty much everything. Your joking right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonadub Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Your joking right? if you read the thread - it is reference to an online football game and the NDSU posters on this board complaining about online students being called students. Not to be a wise-@$$ but are you really that dull? umm - maybe I am being a wise-@$$ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 if you read the thread - it is reference to an online football game and the NDSU posters on this board complaining about online students being called students. Not to be a wise-@$$ but are you really that dull? umm - maybe I am being a wise-@$$ I think its you being dull - read the bold - "another example ...... " Who's been following who the last 7 or 8 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WeAreNorthDakota Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Does it really take a different colored font for Bison fans to recognize sarcasm? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMSioux Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Your joking right? You just don't get it - those comments are designed to keep busy the numerous bison trolls, whose sole purpose is to monitor every comment and remind us of how much better they think su is. UND is and will continue to be the Flagship school of North Dakota - you're not going to change that. Unfortunately it appears we also aren't going to change the perpetual inferiority complext that requires your constant presence here. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bison Dan Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 You just don't get it - those comments are designed to keep busy the numerous bison trolls, whose sole purpose is to monitor every comment and remind us of how much better they think su is. UND is and will continue to be the Flagship school of North Dakota - you're not going to change that. Unfortunately it appears we also aren't going to change the perpetual inferiority complext that requires your constant presence here. Who follows who? Inferiority complext is your fans story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siouxperfan7 Posted February 6, 2013 Share Posted February 6, 2013 Who follows who? Inferiority complext is your fans story. Bisides football (which fans from both schools can obviously agree NDSU has the advantage) name one thing that NDSU excels in over UND...athletics, academics, facilities.....anything?!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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