2024 Frozen Four

[brianvf]

BC picked a hell of a time to break their winning streak.   

[siouxweet]

The fact that Denver won- I hate it, I hate it, I hate it.  But Kudos to them.  After we swept them they got their sh!t together and never looked back.  Hoping we can do that again sooner rather than later.

[neoflex]

Glad the nchc holds the title again, I just hate that it's Denver. Got to give it to them and their coach - all they seem to do is win national titles.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

Amazing what mid game adjustments can do , Berry is like a statue behind the bench. ( and not changing lines before a big game )

[.357]

37 minutes ago, Irish said:

Once again Denver gets it done while we sit and watch - with a team that could beat them.  We hear nothing from our hockey program but Bubbs needs to seriously figure it out and get it done.  Are their any changes made?

Carle is a class-act, actually glad they shoved all that hubris down BC's throat. BC maybe thought they could just show up & their talent would dominate DU. 

Berry could learn a lot from watching how Carle handles these high-pressure situations. My main concern is that he will keep sticking with his same philosophy; inputting the same broken formulae & expecting different results. It's rare for an old dog pushing 60 to overhaul how he views the game, but who knows.

[.357]

22 minutes ago, tnt said:

Five All-Americans and BC can’t get it done.  Those always impressed by the high end talent and the thinking that they were practically unbeatable should learn a bit from history.  It is becoming more evident though that the culture that Berry dislikes > the culture that has produced year after year of early tournament losses. 

What culture does Berry dislike?

[Irish]

10 minutes ago, .357 said:

What culture does Berry dislike?

Not sure because Mr. Flameout 2024 isn't saying much.  I like a culture that shows up for big games - not one who takes 10 minutes off in the third of a playoff game.  Hard to say with Berry (who mentions culture every time he has a chance to) - time to look at some cultures that show up in the playoffs.

 

[tnt]

22 minutes ago, .357 said:

What culture does Berry dislike?

   Hennessy has always said while they respect Denver, they do not like Denver’s way of going about things, which could simply be on ice behavior or other behind the scenes stuff.  To me, how is holding up your sticks skating by the bench after you score a goal any different than the little Chelsea Dagger hand motions UND does, or some of the one off celebrations from guys like Blake or Johannes.  
   Whatever the petty differences, they might need to copy Denver’s recruiting philosophy of getting guys that are used to winning and know what it’s like in big game situations.

[Godsmack]

15 minutes ago, tnt said:

   Hennessy has always said while they respect Denver, they do not like Denver’s way of going about things, which could simply be on ice behavior or other behind the scenes stuff.  To me, how is holding up your sticks skating by the bench after you score a goal any different than the little Chelsea Dagger hand motions UND does, or some of the one off celebrations from guys like Blake or Johannes.  
   Whatever the petty differences, they might need to copy Denver’s recruiting philosophy of getting guys that are used to winning and know what it’s like in big game situations.

Some our celes lately have been over the top. Not sure if our cele in the second period against Michigan was the best decision. Also, tossing the twig into the stands at CC two seasons ago in overtime was not in good taste either. Credit CC for not returning the favor at the Ralph this year. Crap like that should be reigned in by the coaches.

[108498]

UND feels 20 years behind Denver hockey right now. They are easily the best and most consistent team in college hockey. 

[tnt]

10 minutes ago, Godsmack said:

Some our celes lately have been over the top. Not sure if our cele in the second period against Michigan was the best decision. Also, tossing the twig into the stands at CC two seasons ago in overtime was not in good taste either. Credit CC for not returning the favor at the Ralph this year. Crap like that should be reigned in by the coaches.

  I get that celebrations are part of what to expect now because it has been such a part of the lower levels of hockey, but it doesn’t mean I have to like it.  Personally when we talk about culture, I think that could be reigned in a bit and not have over the top celebrations on every goal.
   I much preferred Blake’s overtime winner where he didn’t celebrate at all because he was mad it came to that.  Bottom line is act like you’ve been there before and save the huge celebrations for big time games.  

[neoflex]

You know, three championships in 7 years is pretty damn good and Carle has the formula on winning. 

You can b**** all we want about Berry,  But as everybody has pointed out he ain't going to change his philosophy. Give credit to the pioneers today.

[brianvf]

Any NHL/AHL job openings that will attempt to poach Carle?   

[hockey1]

1 hour ago, neoflex said:

Glad the nchc holds the title again, I just hate that it's Denver. Got to give it to them and their coach - all they seem to do is win national titles.

Curious to know if you were cheering for Denver to win?  Wondering if the conference alliance is more important than a rival winning a championship.

[cberkas]

11 minutes ago, brianvf said:

Any NHL/AHL job openings that will attempt to poach Carle?   

Utah? Too soon?
Wild?

Devils?

[Sweethockey]

4 minutes ago, hockey1 said:

Curious to know if you were cheering for Denver to win?  Wondering if the conference alliance is more important than a rival winning a championship.

We cheered for Denver tonight. They were in the big dance, they represented the NCHC. Wasn’t going to cheer for BC. It was very entertaining game and the DU fans were grateful for the support. 
 

 

[Username Taken]

You have to be so wildly lucky to win this tourney. Riding a 98 save percentage and winning 3 out of 4 by 1 goal is crazy to think about. 

[tnt]

2 minutes ago, Username Taken said:

You have to be so wildly lucky to win this tourney. Riding a 98 save percentage and winning 3 out of 4 by 1 goal is crazy to think about. 

Of course it helps if you recruit goaltenders like Chrona and Davis that have potential to play lights out for 4 games.  

[Irish]

2 minutes ago, Username Taken said:

You have to be so wildly lucky to win this tourney. Riding a 98 save percentage and winning 3 out of 4 by 1 goal is crazy to think about. 

By lucky you must mean "show up for the 3rd period" - so according to this thread Denver is the luckiest team ever and we are the unluckiest.  Nonsense

[Irish]

1 minute ago, tnt said:

Of course it helps if you recruit goaltenders like Chrona and Davis that have potential to play lights out for 4 games.  

But hey - we have the portal for goalies

 

[brianvf]

4 minutes ago, Irish said:

But hey - we have the portal for goalies

I'd guess that Hedquist sees half the starts next season with TJ.
At least Hobie was recruited.
 

[Username Taken]

6 minutes ago, Irish said:

By lucky you must mean "show up for the 3rd period" - so according to this thread Denver is the luckiest team ever and we are the unluckiest.  Nonsense

Every team that wins it is extremely lucky in addition to being obviously very good was my point. People say “ Carle this and Carle that”, which he deserves, but the difference between him and the other coaches he beat had a lot to do with a goaltender that put on one of the best performances any of us have ever seen. 

[crb1]

I for one was really hoping Ludvig was going to be our Matt Davis. I suppose he was hurt towards the end and just never got his mojo back. 

[Brett0909]

23 minutes ago, Irish said:

By lucky you must mean "show up for the 3rd period" - so according to this thread Denver is the luckiest team ever and we are the unluckiest.  Nonsense

I won’t keep belaboring my disbelief with the “some teams just have all the luck” crowd (and we’d be great / competing for championships if only we weren’t so damn unlucky every single year).

What I saw? DU was composed and confident throughout. Psychologically they were rock solid even under intense pressure. Their goalie and team D bought in and made the right decisions in nearly every play, with no major breakdowns. They had a game plan and executed it. They showed up repeatedly in OT through the FF and when the game was on the line, even against greater talent. They got some luck, but played well enough to capitalize on it and/or overcome the bad bounces. They quoted you go to DU to win championships and I believed they believed. Felt the same under Sandelin for a while.

This seems to be the contrast to UND teams lately..it feels like they don’t believe, and need things to go their way or else they start to break (not bend). I know many of us fans don’t believe right now. Players under Hakstol talked about believing in the curse of getting over the FF hump, so you know players pay attention. Some coaches get their team to believe and others don’t. I honestly wonder at this point if Berry and the staff believes they will win or if they’re trying to play not to lose? Just speculation and I’m sure it’s a lot more complicated than that, but whatever a “winning culture” is..

Anyway, kudos to DU and congrats on bringing home another title to the NCHC. May you lose all your top players and have a down year in 2024.

[AlphaMikeFoxtrot]

Carle did his homework over the 48 hours between games. There were a half dozen plays where BC passed on the grade A for a tap in attempt and DU never flinched, taking away the easy goal. Davis also Hunswick'd 'em.