The UND @ South Dakota State 9/30/2023

[Dustin]

Maybe it was so obvious no one could have missed it??

[UND-FB-FAN]

On 9/21/2023 at 6:55 AM, UND-FB-FAN said:

Apathy is burning the soul. Big opportunity to change that next weekend in Brookings. Go Hawks

Well, another opportunity squandered. More apathy, especially for the causal crowd/fans that don’t partake in a messaging board like this.  

“Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.”

0-8 versus crowds of 13,000+ since 2016. 12-15 versus crowds of 10,000+ since 2016.  Big crowds = Big games, which for UND fb has meant ongoing failure and consistently being out-coached.
 

New leadership is definitely needed, but at this early point in the season, it’s about trying new players, new schemes/philosophy, new styles, new approaches to preparation/ pregame, etc.

Need to establish the line of scrimmage and stop the run. QB spot is expendable based the last 2 games; need a bigger, stronger, more athletic player that also protects the ball. Not solely a game manager. Play-calling to better emphasize the running game needs to improve. Running backs are okay, but could definitely be better there. Attempted and failed in the transfer portal for that spot. Defensively, consider loading the box, stop the run, inevitably give up some big passing plays. Needs to happen. Need better players up front, bigger/ stronger linemen, more physical linebackers. It’s a long season, and this was against FCS No. 1, but this UND FB program is not currently set up to take the next step. UND is a top 25 team, but it has no business being a top 10 team with how it is currently run. How to accomplish that next step? Positive change. Does UND administration want a top 10 football program to compete with conference mates NDSU and SDSU, or is top 25 good enough? What do the boosters want? Would they even travel to Frisco in January or would hockey be too important? 

[Mama Sue]

Actually, I left the game early. I decided my memories were better than the reality. I remember being in a much smaller stadium and watching the game in a blizzard. At half time every woman ran to the concrete block bathroom which was heated (much like going to the car at Memorial and turning the heat on high and putting your feet by the vents). We totally trounced them but the announcer did not say “Tackled by the entire Fighting Sioux defense.” I beat the traffic ham on my way out.

[UND-FB-FAN]

On 9/21/2023 at 2:01 PM, UND-FB-FAN said:

Usually the head coach can get that done, but, well, yeah …

Cant win big games, makes you wonder what’s being said (or not being said) …

“Talent sets the floor, character sets the ceiling.” - Bill Belichick

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

On 9/23/2023 at 10:39 AM, UND-FB-FAN said:

I’ll go with Fresno, they host Boise St.  Wyoming also up there, played Texas tough. Air Force looks solid.

Despite all of that, Air Force barely beat Sam Houston State, and Fresno State barely snuck by Eastern Washington. Portland St hung within 14 of Wyoming.

Meanwhile, UND pisses themselves out at Boise in front of 100+ fans/parents. I’m sorry, but the leadership and results for UND football is and has been lacking.  10 years later, sample size is adequate. I put my money where my mouth is, and get disappointed year after year. Change is needed, look forward to it, whether next year or in 10 years, it needs to happen. 

 

On 9/23/2023 at 10:31 AM, Kab said:

Who wins it

Boise State lost.

Air force, Fresno, Wyoming won. 

Another FBS opportunity squandered. 

“But they’re FBS … 99% FCS teams would lose”

Apologists will do what they do best … apologize. 
 

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

On 9/26/2023 at 3:18 PM, geaux_sioux said:

Im looking for a win, but even more than that I’m looking for our team to look the part in the big moments. Haven’t seen that a single time in the last 10 years. It’s time to take that step. I want to see that killer instinct.

Still missing. Been missing nearly exclusively under this current regime.
 

0-8 versus crowds of 13,000+ since 2016. 12-15 versus crowds of 10,000+ since 2016.  Big crowds = Big games, which for UND fb has meant ongoing failure and consistently being out-coached. 
 

Getting very very close to that time to move on. Man, what ~ 2014-2016 could have been with Kalen DeBoer … but, well, the “good ol’ boy club” really struck out UND football in that one. Just need to make sure this lesson is applied and we learn from our mistakes in future decisions. The Roger Thomas, Dale Lennon, Bubba Schweigert collection years are over folks … it is time to move on.  

[iramurphy]

8 hours ago, 90siouxfan said:

who had kicking being the bright spot of the day?

 

The kicker was fine. He kicked 3 of 4 into end zone. 2 touchbacks and the one run back was a yard into the end zone. Last KO was out of bounds. He made his XPs. KO coverage wasn’t good on the one they returned but brought back to 9 yd line cuz of penalty. 
Punter was  inconsistent. Had 2 in the 37-39 range. Great first punt and a 65 yd bomb that was returned for 51 yds. Punter made open field tackle to save TD. 2 missed tackles by punt coverage should have pinned them deep on the long punt. 

[geaux_sioux]

1 hour ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Still missing. Been missing nearly exclusively under this current regime.
 

0-8 versus crowds of 13,000+ since 2016. 12-15 versus crowds of 10,000+ since 2016.  Big crowds = Big games, which for UND fb has meant ongoing failure and consistently being out-coached. 
 

Getting very very close to that time to move on. Man, what ~ 2014-2016 could have been with Kalen DeBoer … but, well, the “good ol’ boy club” really struck out UND football in that one. Just need to make sure this lesson is applied and we learn from our mistakes in future decisions. The Roger Thomas, Dale Lennon, Bubba Schweigert collection years are over folks … it is time to move on.  

Disgusting performance

[Kab]

Hope we don’t pack 13000+ in the alerus for a game

[UND-FB-FAN]

49 minutes ago, Kab said:

Hope we don’t pack 13000+ in the alerus for a game

Even with 10,000+ the odds aren’t good …

Disgusting trend which at this point is well established. 

[zonadub]

2 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Still missing. Been missing nearly exclusively under this current regime.
 

0-8 versus crowds of 13,000+ since 2016. 12-15 versus crowds of 10,000+ since 2016.  Big crowds = Big games, which for UND fb has meant ongoing failure and consistently being out-coached. 
 

Getting very very close to that time to move on. Man, what ~ 2014-2016 could have been with Kalen DeBoer … but, well, the “good ol’ boy club” really struck out UND football in that one. Just need to make sure this lesson is applied and we learn from our mistakes in future decisions. The Roger Thomas, Dale Lennon, Bubba Schweigert collection years are over folks … it is time to move on.  

Freund is not the answer either

[Tangolou]

14 hours ago, gundy1124 said:

Also........if we can't find the dudes on the D-Line to run a 3-4 then move on.  

^^^This. 

[Tangolou]

I don't really buy into the "Big Game" theory. If we are honest with ourselves, we have never been the favorite in a "big game". If we had SDSU's roster and lost then I could buy it. To me, it's not that Bubba chokes in big games, it's that Bubba doesn't build a roster to win big games... 

[Irish]

9 minutes ago, Tangolou said:

^^^This. 

But without the 3-4 how will we be able to stop the Bison option play.

[UND-FB-FAN]

21 minutes ago, Tangolou said:

I don't really buy into the "Big Game" theory. If we are honest with ourselves, we have never been the favorite in a "big game". If we had SDSU's roster and lost then I could buy it. To me, it's not that Bubba chokes in big games, it's that Bubba doesn't build a roster to win big games... 

you’re right, it’s just that the “big game/big crowd” rhetoric equals big opportunities against good teams. Reflects on the fact that UND can’t consistently win against good teams (FBS or top FCS) in order to take the next step. It’s beyond a pattern or trend at this point; it’s the truth.

UND continues to fail against good teams with Bubba. UND hasn’t been able to build a roster (or implement a scheme, or inject confidence around the program) that allows for wins in big games against good teams.

[UND-FB-FAN]

14 hours ago, gundy1124 said:

Also........if we can't find the dudes on the D-Line to run a 3-4 then move on.  

don’t tell that to Bubba!! Go to 5:43 mark
-gonna need to clear house to try something different, and insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results

[SIOUXFAN97]

4 hours ago, Oxbow6 said:

In his article "5 things you might have missed..." Miller has a hot take that the inadvertent whistle prevented a moment shift. One of the things he didn't mention in his 5 things was SDSU outrushed UND 266-68. Tough to shift momentum when you're constantly getting punched in the face and abused on both sides of the line of scrimmage but if an inadvertent whistle fits your narrative to soften this beat down go for it.

This game was like watching Shanley vs (insert any AAA team) on a Friday night....not competitive at all.

did he mention where we rank now in total offense? context and all?

[SIOUXFAN97]

10 hours ago, wheelsup said:

There were many things that bother me today.. Im really sick to my stomach over the team crapping the bed in another big game.  It was really a terrible game and not even close.  I even talked myself into thinking they could come back in the 2^nd half.. the worsts..

• Complete inability to stop the run.. I don’t get it.  We have been in the MVC now for a few years and we still don’t seem to have adapted/recruited different on the d-line from the big sky.   Its terrible.  If we play like this, NDSU will drop the plow on us again in 2 weeks.
• I don’t get the beginning of the game.  How could we not have been better prepared.  After shitting the bed on defense, How could Danny not have dreamed up a better offensive series for the first series.  Really.. his best idea was that stupid play with Q on down 2?  I don’t think that play works in FM athletics..
• Our scoring sequence in the 2^nd quarter was almost wrecked by somehow trying to turn Isaiah Smith into a power runner.. cmon man!
• I don’t get the offensive series at the start of the 3^rd quarter.  Opportunity to get back into the game.  Offense cant step up.  Where is our vaunted offensive line.  Where is the pride and tiredness of being kicked around
• Im ready to try a new QB.. I think Feeney deserves a chance.  I still think all of the Kaminski talk is delusional.  Tommy would be a decent QB if we had a great defense.  Since we don’t.. we need a more dynamic QB.  Tommy has played 2 games in a row against top teams and has played very poorly.. its time to try something new.  I still believe if Tommy had played our last year of Ketteringham we would have been a better team.

SDSU was just all around better than us.. bigger.. faster.. more athletic.. better coached.  I think Ill see Isaiah Davis in my dreams tnight running through holes in the UND line that even an old guy like me could wander through.   I was hopeful that we would play better than we did on defense and disappointed that we didnt.. I was shocked that our offense was so inept.

as delusional as the "tommy is an elite fcs qb"...it takes some people a little longer than others to come around.

[Siouxperman8]

1 hour ago, Tangolou said:

I don't really buy into the "Big Game" theory. If we are honest with ourselves, we have never been the favorite in a "big game". If we had SDSU's roster and lost then I could buy it. To me, it's not that Bubba chokes in big games, it's that Bubba doesn't build a roster to win big games... 

This is 100% true.  We don't/won't win very many recruiting battles for the big knockers that would make a difference. 

I am not sure how we get there either.   It's chicken and egg.  You don't get a lot of those guys unless you're a consistent winner going deep into the playoffs and you and you go deep in playoffs without those top end players. 

Better facilities will help but maybe we need a pied piper type coach to get us over the hump.  I'm a Bubba backer but he's not that kind of coach. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

16 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

I'm a Bubba backer

I think the poor record and duration of tenure all suggest it is time to move on. Bubba is not a top tier program builder nor does he have the leadership ability to catapult UND to a championship contender in big games. Recruiting is always key in college FB, better facilities will help, but ultimately it is the coaches who do the recruiting. 

[Tangolou]

11 minutes ago, Siouxperman8 said:

This is 100% true.  We don't/won't win very many recruiting battles for the big knockers that would make a difference. 

I am not sure how we get there either.   It's chicken and egg.  You don't get a lot of those guys unless you're a consistent winner going deep into the playoffs and you and you go deep in playoffs without those top end players. 

Better facilities will help but maybe we need a pied piper type coach to get us over the hump.  I'm a Bubba backer but he's not that kind of coach. 

When Roger Thomas took over the program, UND lost every head to head recruiting battle against NDSU. After a year or two they started winning a few. By the time Lennon took over, they were winning most of the recruiting battles. It can be done, you just need the right people in charge. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

1 minute ago, Tangolou said:

It can be done, you just need the right people in charge. 

Key point. Recruiting is done by people, so you need the right people (coaches) in charge.

[fightingsioux4life]

8 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

Smell the fresh air, look at the facts, time to move on. Bubba is not a top tier program builder nor does he have the leadership ability to catapult UND to a championship contender in big games. Recruiting is always key in college FB, better facilities will help, but ultimately it is the coaches who do the recruiting. 

With Bubba, we'll never go back to being horrible like under Mussman. But we'll also never contend for FCS titles with Bubba. Some people on this forum are fine with that. I am not. Moving up to Division I and then settling for average at best makes no sense. Time to get serious.

[F'n Hawks]

7 minutes ago, fightingsioux4life said:

With Bubba, we'll never go back to being horrible like under Mussman. But we'll also never contend for FCS titles with Bubba. Some people on this forum are fine with that. I am not. Moving up to Division I and then settling for average at best makes no sense. Time to get serious.

I really don’t think there are many that are fine with not contending for an FCS title on this forum. 

[Siouxperman8]

18 minutes ago, Tangolou said:

When Roger Thomas took over the program, UND lost every head to head recruiting battle against NDSU. After a year or two they started winning a few. By the time Lennon took over, they were winning most of the recruiting battles. It can be done, you just need the right people in charge. 

I guess that's kind of what I was saying.  Pied Piper might be the wrong description but Roger was a very dynamic and outgoing coach and the right type of personality for a turnaround for sure. 

I would say that Bubba is closer to Dale's personality.   I base this on my experience with all three of them over the years.  I played with Dale and have a fair amount of exposure to all three of them, seeing them at practices, games and interacting with the public at football alumni and other events.