2024 UND Football

[Sioux94]

8 hours ago, gfhockey said:

Landry 

same king

bsu oc 

umd oc 

wiu ex head cosch

Vogler, UMD OC had his offense average 37.7 points a game in 2023. I know nothing about the NSIC but he must be doing something right on offense. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

6 hours ago, Sioux94 said:

Vogler, UMD OC had his offense average 37.7 points a game in 2023. I know nothing about the NSIC but he must be doing something right on offense. 

I’d be very surprised if an outside candidate - including even a D2 coordinator - would want to sign with this sinking ship, but you never know. Think back to the D coordinator spot last season - we all know how that went. This program is spiraling out of control and will continue to until a new top man gets the job. 

[UND-FB-FAN]

10 hours ago, jdub27 said:

As to your other question, I've increased my donations to help the program, regardless of who the coach is. I remember where we were 10 years ago and the program is in a hell of a lot better spot and I don't want to see it end up back there. 

More on this; I can’t fathom how one could be content just because this program is doing better than they were at their worst. 2012/2013 were awful seasons, bottom of the barrel, and now you think we’re all good because we’re a “hell of a lot better” than that? That is asinine thinking. This program is better but certainly not anywhere near the best, because in the FCS, that means top 5-10. It’s very top heavy. Bubba has essentially not won a playoff game in 10 years, including some abysmal seasons (3-8 in 2017 and 5-6 in 2021) thrown in there; this program is absolutely just mediocre. It’s all smoke and mirrors to project otherwise. 
 

New leadership needed. Bubba has been inflated and overrated from the start, hence even the controversy regarding his hiring in 2013.

[jdub27]

16 minutes ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

More on this; I can’t fathom how one could be content just because this program is doing better than they were at their worst. 2012/2013 were awful seasons, bottom of the barrel, and now you think we’re all good because we’re a “hell of a lot better” than that? That is asinine thinking. This program is better but certainly not anywhere near the best, because in the FCS, that means top 5-10. It’s very top heavy. Bubba has essentially not won a playoff game in 10 years, including some abysmal seasons (3-8 in 2017 and 5-6 in 2021) thrown in there; this program is absolutely just mediocre. It’s all smoke and mirrors to project otherwise. 
 

New leadership needed. Bubba has been inflated and overrated from the start, hence even the controversy regarding his hiring in 2013.

Again with pretending anyone is content. Again, I ask you to show me that anyone has explicitly said "good enough". 

No one is. The program needs to keep improving. But most of us just don't want to see it slide backwards for that to happen to prove some sort of point or be able to say we were "right" about something. 

Pushing for things like improved facilities, player nutrition, coaches salaries, etc. are things that move the program forward. Not withholding funds and then complaining that things aren't improving. If anything, that seems asinine to me.

 

[UND-FB-FAN]

24 minutes ago, jdub27 said:

Again with pretending anyone is content. Again, I ask you to show me that anyone has explicitly said "good enough". 

No one is. The program needs to keep improving. But most of us just don't want to see it slide backwards for that to happen to prove some sort of point or be able to say we were "right" about something. 

Pushing for things like improved facilities, player nutrition, coaches salaries, etc. are things that move the program forward. Not withholding funds and then complaining that things aren't improving. If anything, that seems asinine to me.

 

There is complacency all around. No one is pretending. That narrative can go away. Overall, big picture-wise, there is complacency, and again, recent events suggest it exists also. We should not be losing coaches on lateral moves to peer instructions, and if it’s because a staff is considered to have no future, then they should be terminated now so that the next season (2024) isn’t doomed from the start. Again, complacency and contentment with mediocrity. Another example was the defensive coordinator spot last year; internal promotion, because nobody externally worthwhile was hired. As a result, we end up with a horrific defense. Next season, offensive coordinator leaves. Highly doubtful we will get an external candidate once again. Bubba’s stubbornness is stagnating and even possibly sinking this program.

We can agree to disagree, but your stance (and presumably the admin department’s stance) is the reason this program has been mediocre the past several seasons. But I am hopeful our time will come with eventual changes in light of upcoming new facility upgrades, but it won’t be 2024, maybe 2025 or 2026.

And you clearly don’t understand what an institutional or program-wide rebuild is. Sometimes you do in fact need to tear it down, or in other words take a step back, in order to take two steps forward. 

[MNHawk]

Has Landry called plays before? I assumed that Caruso was the play caller at UST.
 

They are definitely running the same Caruso offense that they ran in the D3 days. 

[RhettRingers]

9 hours ago, homer said:

This^^^^
 

An up and coming coach with some balls and confidence will take this job.  Three weeks ago this board was on board with the offense being the strength of this team. Nothing changed but the coach.  Two really good QBs, really good young RBs, one of the best WRs in FCS and a well above average OL.  Not a bad start for someone with a pair to prove it and the desire to move up. 

Who knows if those players will be here come fall...My guess is at least 3 skilled offensive players will be gone.

[UND1983]

Interesting and pointed comments from 360 on Danny’s move

[homer]

10 minutes ago, RhettRingers said:

Who knows if those players will be here come fall...My guess is at least 3 skilled offensive players will be gone.

A new OC will have spring ball to “recruit” his offensive players to stay and sell his system to them.  

[gfhockey]

Thought hp2 was a game changer?

[F'n Hawks]

2 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

I’d be very surprised if an outside candidate - including even a D2 coordinator - would want to sign with this sinking ship, but you never know. Think back to the D coordinator spot last season - we all know how that went. This program is spiraling out of control and will continue to until a new top man gets the job. 

D coordinator job opened in February, and our defense was a disaster. Very unlikely we would have had an outside candidate that was worthwhile.

[siouxfan512]

20 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said:

The sky is not falling 

Agreed! but I'm still hoping Bubba is gone after this season regardless. 

[siouxfan512]

3 minutes ago, F'n Hawks said:

D coordinator job opened in February, and our defense was a disaster. Very unlikely we would have had an outside candidate that was worthwhile.

True, but how much of that was because of our defensive coordinator vs. the lack of size and skill we had on the field.

D-Line has been undersized forever. OLB are long or fast enough. Safety has been an issue for a while. CB is the one area where coaching seemed to really lack in changing our approach, we seem to have the speed and athleticism, but consistently give receivers 10 yards of cushion to make catches. It doesn't even look like our CBs want to approach the WR until he has completed the catch, then we go after them (and miss tackles).

For Bubba to boast that this is a defensive minded team is a joke. I wouldn't hang my hat on that if I was him.

[Devils]

I do chuckle a little bit...while I am troubled by Danny's departure, some threads on here have had posts by the usual negative suspects that our coaches never leave because no one wants them.  Now, when one moves on the program is judged to be in shambles.  

[UND1983]

2 minutes ago, Devils said:

I do chuckle a little bit...while I am troubled by Danny's departure, some threads on here have had posts by the usual negative suspects that our coaches never leave because no one wants them.  Now, when one moves on the program is judged to be in shambles.  

There are 11 coaches.  A couple having another opportunity does not make your point

[Longtime fan]

4 hours ago, UND-FB-FAN said:

More on this; I can’t fathom how one could be content just because this program is doing better than they were at their worst. 2012/2013 were awful seasons, bottom of the barrel, and now you think we’re all good because we’re a “hell of a lot better” than that? That is asinine thinking. This program is better but certainly not anywhere near the best, because in the FCS, that means top 5-10. It’s very top heavy. Bubba has essentially not won a playoff game in 10 years, including some abysmal seasons (3-8 in 2017 and 5-6 in 2021) thrown in there; this program is absolutely just mediocre. It’s all smoke and mirrors to project otherwise. 
 

New leadership needed. Bubba has been inflated and overrated from the start, hence even the controversy regarding his hiring in 2013.

100%.  For the people saying we are better than when Muss was running the show is laughable.  How could it be worse !?!  Mussman was a mess.  Great recruiter but incredibly bad coach.  Most anyone with 3rd grade level schooling could have done better.

 

Bubba brought some “new life” to the program initially but now we are back to Mussman days.  It had been very evident early in bubbas time here he wasn’t head coach material.   AD and UND had other ideas.  Keep a guy that will stay here forever and don’t have to pay up for it.   Easy call for them.  
 

And here we sit.  Guys that bleed Kelly green are walking to South Dakota to take a lesser job. Leaves his coordinator job to take a positional job.  I can’t blame him tho.  They know football and what it takes to get to the next level.  
 

UND is surrounded by universities that know football.   Montana st, Montana, sdsu Ndsu.  The fcs kings are up in the north middle of the country.  Und can get there too if competency was #1 

[siouxfan512]

23 hours ago, nodakgirl93 said:

I would like to know where all the negativity of the Ralph and Betty in this thread is coming from all of a sudden? 

There are some on this forum that are very jealous of hockey. Hockey has facilities, funding, fans and success. These fans like to boast that if hockey wasn't a priority and the funding was diverted to football, we would magically be perennial national champs. Of course it isn't that simple and you don't tear down one successful program to try to build another. You try to build another successful program in addition to what you have.

Now I'm a big UND football fan too, and there is no doubt they could use some additional funding, probably mostly in the form of coaching salaries (and maybe some new white jerseys), but to blaming hockey is just the quick scapegoat. Any easy way of showing how jealous they are of the success they want for the sport they don't care about.

Had Ralph donated all that money towards a football stadium, you wouldn't hear a peep from this crowd, and how great would it be if we had someone willing to donate that for football as well. It would be incredible! But most schools don't get that for any sport let alone one. The REA has been fantastic for hockey and the community. The Alerus isn't a bad facility either. Its not my person favorite, but its not a bad place to watch a game.

Rather than placing blame on the alumni that did donate a ton to the University, I'd focus more on our AD who hands out unwarranted contract extensions and can't seem to find some more money in our alumni base. It doesn't even need to be a ton more, but they do need to increase the salaries to be competitive. Maybe that will be the focus now that Phase 2 is on its way. I'm not sure it is even that much more money that would need to be raise .... I have no idea, but something needs to be done. When Bubba is gone, it would be really nice to see UND make a splash in hiring (but I doubt it). Problems run deeper at UND that money. There is also just and administrative approach and routine that never seems to change.

[gundy1124]

40 minutes ago, gfhockey said:

Thought hp2 was a game changer?

The "Field of Dreams" approach is tiring.  It's not like UND has total crap facilities currently.  Lots of influences on choosing a school but #1 is the coaching staff and belief in winning.  #2 is scholarship with NIL creeping in.  After that everything else is a distant 3rd including HP2.

[gfhockey]

26 minutes ago, Devils said:

I do chuckle a little bit...while I am troubled by Danny's departure, some threads on here have had posts by the usual negative suspects that our coaches never leave because no one wants them.  Now, when one moves on the program is judged to be in shambles.  

He moved on for a demotion

not a promotion

 

[nodak651]

23 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said:

There are some on this forum that are very jealous of hockey. Hockey has facilities, funding, fans and success. These fans like to boast that if hockey wasn't a priority and the funding was diverted to football, we would magically be perennial national champs. Of course it isn't that simple and you don't tear down one successful program to try to build another. You try to build another successful program in addition to what you have.

Now I'm a big UND football fan too, and there is no doubt they could use some additional funding, probably mostly in the form of coaching salaries (and maybe some new white jerseys), but to blaming hockey is just the quick scapegoat. Any easy way of showing how jealous they are of the success they want for the sport they don't care about.

Had Ralph donated all that money towards a football stadium, you wouldn't hear a peep from this crowd, and how great would it be if we had someone willing to donate that for football as well. It would be incredible! But most schools don't get that for any sport let alone one. The REA has been fantastic for hockey and the community. The Alerus isn't a bad facility either. Its not my person favorite, but its not a bad place to watch a game.

Rather than placing blame on the alumni that did donate a ton to the University, I'd focus more on our AD who hands out unwarranted contract extensions and can't seem to find some more money in our alumni base. It doesn't even need to be a ton more, but they do need to increase the salaries to be competitive. Maybe that will be the focus now that Phase 2 is on its way. I'm not sure it is even that much more money that would need to be raise .... I have no idea, but something needs to be done. When Bubba is gone, it would be really nice to see UND make a splash in hiring (but I doubt it). Problems run deeper at UND that money. There is also just and administrative approach and routine that never seems to change.

Are you you referring to me?  

[jdub27]

25 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said:

and can't seem to find some more money in our alumni base

Well, unless you're one of the top 10 schools in the nation or an Ivy with a billion dollar endowment, this is the case everywhere and given what has been accomplished, a pretty short-sighted comment.
They have been constantly fundraising to help get new facilities built and improve the budget.
FCOA, Alston Awards and the buildings that have been put up or are under construction in the last decade weren't free. 
That task also falls on the Alumni Foundation and Champions Club. And given the new push with the UND Forever campaign, I would expect a lot of success the next few years.

Would it be nice if they could find a 9 figure donation somewhere? Yeah, life would be a lot easier.
Would it be nice if the contract with the REA was renegotiated to balance things out a little bit more? It is pretty complicated beyond what's been laid out here, but yes, it definitely could be. 

[Longtime fan]

35 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said:

There are some on this forum that are very jealous of hockey. Hockey has facilities, funding, fans and success. These fans like to boast that if hockey wasn't a priority and the funding was diverted to football, we would magically be perennial national champs. Of course it isn't that simple and you don't tear down one successful program to try to build another. You try to build another successful program in addition to what you have.

Now I'm a big UND football fan too, and there is no doubt they could use some additional funding, probably mostly in the form of coaching salaries (and maybe some new white jerseys), but to blaming hockey is just the quick scapegoat. Any easy way of showing how jealous they are of the success they want for the sport they don't care about.

Had Ralph donated all that money towards a football stadium, you wouldn't hear a peep from this crowd, and how great would it be if we had someone willing to donate that for football as well. It would be incredible! But most schools don't get that for any sport let alone one. The REA has been fantastic for hockey and the community. The Alerus isn't a bad facility either. Its not my person favorite, but its not a bad place to watch a game.

Rather than placing blame on the alumni that did donate a ton to the University, I'd focus more on our AD who hands out unwarranted contract extensions and can't seem to find some more money in our alumni base. It doesn't even need to be a ton more, but they do need to increase the salaries to be competitive. Maybe that will be the focus now that Phase 2 is on its way. I'm not sure it is even that much more money that would need to be raise .... I have no idea, but something needs to be done. When Bubba is gone, it would be really nice to see UND make a splash in hiring (but I doubt it). Problems run deeper at UND that money. There is also just and administrative approach and routine that never seems to change.

Definitely don’t have to tear down one sport to be successful in another.  SDSU “main” sport is basketball…women’s and men’s.  They have done great at doing so.  Football is second and has done great.   UND throws everything nearly 100% at hockey.   
 

 

All we hear when it comes to paying up for coaching in all other sports than hockey is …”UND doesn’t have the money”.   That’s the frustrating part 

[F'n Hawks]

55 minutes ago, siouxfan512 said:

True, but how much of that was because of our defensive coordinator vs. the lack of size and skill we had on the field.

D-Line has been undersized forever. OLB are long or fast enough. Safety has been an issue for a while. CB is the one area where coaching seemed to really lack in changing our approach, we seem to have the speed and athleticism, but consistently give receivers 10 yards of cushion to make catches. It doesn't even look like our CBs want to approach the WR until he has completed the catch, then we go after them (and miss tackles).

For Bubba to boast that this is a defensive minded team is a joke. I wouldn't hang my hat on that if I was him.

That’s what I’m saying. We lack the skill and size needed and if a D-coordinator really did their homework why would they want this job? Especially since it opened up late 

[AJS]

Starting to really hope for Sam King. This is of course if he's well respected and liked with the players. I'm absolutely convinced there wouldn't be some huge step down from a play calling standpoint, so keeping continuity and more importantly, the players offensively is priority #1. The bigger picture, how to move on from Bubba as quickly as possible, without him burning the program down on his way out. 

Ideally. Promote King, keep continuity. Get portal transfers defensively. I'll take 7 wins. Bubba retires. Freund hired. Let's start the new era, Phase II done. 

[UND1983]

The complete lack of direction and vision for this program and athletic department is astonishing.  It truly is a country club, zero goals or desire to get to them