Lunatics @ hawks Saturday thread

[Sweethockey]

Someone care to enlighten me about what positives there are in having 5th year athletes? North akota.................they are missing the D!

[BusinessSiouxt]

33 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

So I ask this board what is different from this year and last? Basically the same d corps and they struggle, and not just them them fowards have seem to forgotten they have responsibilities also. 

Is it possible that while ‘we’ have remained the ‘same’, other teams have changed, developed, studied and evolved?

[BusinessSiouxt]

1 minute ago, Sweethockey said:

Someone care to enlighten me about what positives there are in having 5th year athletes? North akota.................they are missing the D!

Personally, I hate the Covid year. It’s killing college hockey over 4 years in terms of recruiting and development. Seniors, maybe juniors, but all the way to freshman? Nahhhhhh…

[SIOUXELEVENS]

4 hours ago, BusinessSiouxt said:

Is it possible that while ‘we’ have remained the ‘same’, other teams have changed, developed, studied and evolved?

How does other teams evolving make us worse defensively ?

[Irish]

4 minutes ago, BusinessSiouxt said:

Is it possible that while ‘we’ have remained the ‘same’, other teams have changed, developed, studied and evolved?

I am seriously concerned about our Hockey program.  No way we should miss the tournament 3 out of 5 years.  No way we should have the worst goaltending in the nation.  Our defense (especially returnees) has regressed.  We don't have the mental discipline to hold leads, play where you should be position-wise, or not take stupid penalties - to say nothing about our first and last 2 minutes of each period lapses.  We seem gassed late in the game.  I hope this turns around next year but I am worried - most of our rivals have had much more success lately and seem to move forward and adapt.  Interestingly, the person in charge of goalie development and recruitment is mentioned as a possible successor.  I don't look for any help or changes from the Athletic Department.  Chaves is presiding over probably the lowest overall point that I can remember in Sioux athletics - look at Football, Hockey, Men's and Women's Basketball, and Volleyball and tell me how successful we are.  Only Women's Basketball seems to be improving.  When we look at the St. Cloud series and expect to get hammered changes need to be made.  I just don't think we will make them.

[siouxfaninseattle]

I agree - the season is toast. Try something different. Like tell the forwards that it's OK to cover the other teams' players in front of the net. And that clearing the puck is OK, just try not to ice it but don't do such a weak attempt that it doesn't clear the blue line. Tell the defensemen to stay on their skates! You know, the basics. And I can't see 25 coming back next season- he plays a game better suited for a pro league. I would like to see him stay but I don't think he will. Hopefully 15 comes back, but has already been said, the 5-year thing is hurting college hockey.

Oh yeah, maybe find a goalie that can stop more pucks.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

New lines

26-22-9

17-8-18

29-11-21

20-27-19 (10-13)

15-24

25-7

6-4

 

 

 

[Wilbur]

53 minutes ago, Irish said:

I am seriously concerned about our Hockey program.  No way we should miss the tournament 3 out of 5 years.  No way we should have the worst goaltending in the nation.  Our defense (especially returnees) has regressed.  We don't have the mental discipline to hold leads, play where you should be position-wise, or not take stupid penalties - to say nothing about our first and last 2 minutes of each period lapses.  We seem gassed late in the game.  I hope this turns around next year but I am worried - most of our rivals have had much more success lately and seem to move forward and adapt.  Interestingly, the person in charge of goalie development and recruitment is mentioned as a possible successor.  I don't look for any help or changes from the Athletic Department.  Chaves is presiding over probably the lowest overall point that I can remember in Sioux athletics - look at Football, Hockey, Men's and Women's Basketball, and Volleyball and tell me how successful we are.  Only Women's Basketball seems to be improving.  When we look at the St. Cloud series and expect to get hammered changes need to be made.  I just don't think we will make them.

Extremely low point in UND athletics, much agreed.  

I'll be honest and say I'm all in hockey and football and can't name a single player on pretty much any other team.  Not like any of them are doing anything anyways.  

[siouxforce19]

11 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

New lines

26-22-9

17-8-18

29-11-21

20-27-19 (10-13)

15-24

25-7

6-4

 

 

 

I would literally gouge my eyes out with a spoon if we roll out those D pairings. 

[SIOUXELEVENS]

What do we have to lose we are in seventh place in the league. 

[Oxbow6]

15 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

What do we have to lose we are in seventh place in the league. 

Exactly. 

The square peg hasn't fit in the round hole at this point for BB.

Can't roll out the same lines and pairings and expect different in game results.

Maybe 10 needs a new look on a different line. Same for 17.  Get the draft picks on the ice. They were drafted for a reason. Coach them up and develop them the rest of this season.

[Blackheart]

1 hour ago, Sweethockey said:

Someone care to enlighten me about what positives there are in having 5th year athletes? North akota.................they are missing the D!

Maybe they’ll update the “NODAK “ sweaters…Change them to “NO_AK”.

[BusinessSiouxt]

1 hour ago, Blackheart said:

Maybe they’ll update the “NODAK “ sweaters…Change them to “NO_AK”.

I just hope they don’t show up in their ‘Leisure Suits’! That would be telling

[SIOUXELEVENS]

Or birthday suits 

[Kab]

3 hours ago, Sweethockey said:

Someone care to enlighten me about what positives there are in having 5th year athletes? North akota.................they are missing the D!

5th year?

seems like some are 6, 7 and going on 8 years

get back to 4 years and  graduate 

[BusinessSiouxt]

3 hours ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

How does other teams evolving makes us worse defensively ?

By studying our tendencies and developing strategies. Innit what dey a-pose tuh do?

[siouxweet]

4 hours ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

So I ask this board what is different from this year and last? Basically the same d corps and they struggle, and not just them them fowards have seem to forgotten they have responsibilities also. 

Let's not forget this team struggled defensively for over half the year last year but not to this degree and the goaltending was better. 

[SIOUXELEVENS]

1 hour ago, BusinessSiouxt said:

By studying our tendencies and developing strategies. Innit what dey a-pose tuh do?

I fixed the post , thanks 

[MafiaMan]

4 hours ago, siouxforce19 said:

I would literally gouge my eyes out with a spoon if we roll out those D pairings. 

You can borrow my spoon…I used it myself in the 3rd period of last night’s game.  Gently used condition. 

[gfNDfan]

20 hours ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

That’s not very nice.

if you're going to call for a change at least know how the assistants spell their names.   I have no tolerance for the torch and pitchfork crowd.  

[gfNDfan]

7 hours ago, Blackheart said:

Maybe they’ll update the “NODAK “ sweaters…Change them to “NO_AK”.

More like "NODIK" - back in the day Gino and Dean would run them up and down the bleachers or skate them until they puked at the old Ralph.   Now you have to speak gently to correct them but not punish them so they won't feel too bad about themselves.  Barry uses the "nice" approach but it's clearly a hell of a job nowadays.   Not easy...I don't blame him - he's a great guy.   BUT I wouldn't want his job.  Would you?

I don't advocate for abuse - either physical or psychological - but there is clearly something missing from these current teams.  They have the greatest arena - the most modern and expensive training facilities - the best college experience any college hockey player could have...what's missing??  IDK  

[DAR]

5th year thing is bad.  Hain and Senden should be gone.  They are just taking time from players like James and Strinden.  

[SKondrashkin]

11 hours ago, BusinessSiouxt said:

By studying our tendencies and developing strategies. Innit what dey a-pose tuh do?

Our troubles don’t stem from what other teams are doing.     
Our problems are almost always a result of self-inflicted mistakes  

—>  A lack of attention to detail, lack of poise, can’t play a full 60, not learning from mistakes, etc. etc.  

[BusinessSiouxt]

2 hours ago, SKondrashkin said:

Our troubles don’t stem from what other teams are doing.     
Our problems are almost always a result of self-inflicted mistakes  

—>  A lack of attention to detail, lack of poise, can’t play a full 60, not learning from mistakes, etc. etc.  

and that is exactly the position that puts us where we are. What other teams are doing directly affects how we are playing. If North Dakota coaches realized that, they might actually evolve and try something different.

[The Sicatoka]

23 minutes ago, SiouxFanSince1990 said:

Our forwards don’t back check well. Look at the plus minus. This isn’t rocket science. Frisch and Kleven have both regressed defensively.

Like I said after Friday:

Frisch can direct traffic and call coverage all day, but if no one back checks and covers all he'll get for his trouble is a minus. 

At risk of repeating myself, 9 and 17 are defensive liabilities. Stats say 22 is no better. All are -9. They all need more team defense in their game. And who's out there with them most often? Our best defender, 15, who gets the -9 prize of being with them while trying to do it all defensively by himself (see above).