UND vs. Notre Dame - Albany Regional - NCAA regional semis

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2 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

We, apparently, asked him to stay another year in Junior and he felt he was ready. So, that unfortunately looks like a big miss. 

Yeah, but he did stay in junior for the extra year.  So he wasn't ready. 

[Blackheart]

1 minute ago, jk said:

Yeah, but he did stay in junior for the extra year.  So he wasn't ready. 

And then he jumped to DU?

[nodakgirl93]

2 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

We, apparently, asked him to stay another year in Junior and he felt he was ready. So, that unfortunately looks like a big miss. 

Which still doesn't make much sense because he didnt commit to a school early enough and still played another year of juniors. Maybe a school of his choosing didn't offer him sooner? 

[stoneySIOUX]

3 minutes ago, jk said:

Don't we just not really know the whole story on Morrow and Rizzo?  I've seen internet speculation (some by me no doubt), but hard to judge without knowing what actually happened. 

I won't say what I was told about the Morrow situation, but from what I was told, I don't care what he does as a college player from here on out, I think it was the right choice for him to go elsewhere. Rizzo, I think was a miss based on this season, no doubt.

[stoneySIOUX]

2 minutes ago, nodakgirl93 said:

Which still doesn't make much sense because he didnt commit to a school early enough and still played another year of juniors. Maybe a school of his choosing didn't offer him sooner? 

Yeah, I don't know exactly what all happened. Regardless, I wish we had him. He had a terrific year. 

[nodakgirl93]

If berry was adamant about rizzo having to spend another year in juniors or decomit and go elsewhere then something needs changing with berry. 

[stoneySIOUX]

5 minutes ago, nodakgirl93 said:

If berry was adamant about rizzo having to spend another year in juniors or decomit and go elsewhere then something needs changing with berry. 

Because of one miss? Feels a bit harsh, but Rizzo agreed, I'm sure he isn't happy with how well he's played in Denver. Hindsight is 20/20 and it happens. Do you feel the same way about Ryder Donovan? Everyone was devastated around here when he went to Wisco...

[scpa0305]

59 minutes ago, I Ranger said:

This part right here makes me question the Morrow decision even more so. I get there were apparently "red flags" but wouldn't you think with a coach and team that preaches "culture" that you could bring in a kid with huge talent and groom him into the culture rather than be scared away from him? All this being said, I haven't heard one thing bad about him with UMASS and the World Junior team which again makes me question the decision. 

The issue wasn’t with the kid. And yes we should have kept him. Huge oversight 

[scpa0305]

55 minutes ago, tnt said:

Especially when you were willing to take a huge chance on Mitchell Miller.  To me, that makes no sense at all, and the fact that Brent Johnson was injured at the end of last year, and really couldn't get back to a full training regimen until much later makes that decision even more of a head scratcher. 

We should have brought in Morrow and had Johnson play an extra year of juniors TBH. Morrow was more ready, especially considering Johnson had a significant injury.

[SIOUXELEVENS]

19 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Because of one miss? Feels a bit harsh, but Rizzo agreed, I'm sure he isn't happy with how well he's played in Denver. Hindsight is 20/20 and it happens. Do you feel the same way about Ryder Donovan? Everyone was devastated around here when he went to Wisco...

Cough cough Halliday , and we may never know on others we missed out on. 

[siouxweet]

The recruiting philosophy has changed from go after the blue chip 1-3 rounders to 4 year role players with an occasional blue chipper mixed in.  As one of the top programs in the nation we should have the mantra of we don't rebuild we reload.

[stoneySIOUX]

2 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

Cough cough Halliday , and we may never know on others we missed out on. 

Can certainly play that game the other way, too. It is what it is, IMO. I think it's unfair to judge Bubbs on that wholly, but I get it.

[nodakgirl93]

35 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Because of one miss? Feels a bit harsh, but Rizzo agreed, I'm sure he isn't happy with how well he's played in Denver. Hindsight is 20/20 and it happens. Do you feel the same way about Ryder Donovan? Everyone was devastated around here when he went to Wisco...

More than one. Ryder has time.

[tnt]

19 minutes ago, SIOUXELEVENS said:

Cough cough Halliday , and we may never know on others we missed out on. 

Did Halliday get passed over in two NHL drafts?   If that is the case, then there is some reason that someone his size didn't get drafted yet.   Not saying he won't be a good college player, but sometimes big guys take a while to adjust to college because they can't just overpower guys anymore.  Think Seth Ambroz as a guy that scored well in juniors but took a while to adjust to the college level.  Regardless, it will be interesting to see how he plays in the wide open Big Ten.  

[Goon]

2 hours ago, Big Green said:

I don't get this crap about this team over performed.  Sure they had a lot of turnover, but they brought in plenty of transfers, so its not like the were all freshmen.  They were a 1st place team to start the new year so it not like they just came on in the 2nd half.  They had 2 bad weekends in January, and they sh!t the bed in the playoffs.  

This program should never be in a position the be rebuilding, they should reload every year.  Having to rebuild is a black mark on Berry.

I would like to think they would have made a run in 2020, but after the last 2 years i'm more and more convinced they would have been 1 and done or maybe won a game.

Imagine that you work for a pretty good sized company. You lose half of your work forces. They're replaced with a whole new group of people. You're going to have growing pains. I think UND exceeded expectations this year. 

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After last season’s amazing run, UND lost seven of their top-10 points leaders. That equates to (71g-121a–192pts). Yes, that’s a lot of offense. If we’re doing math, UND lost 62% of their offense. 

 

[AJS]

You hear all the time that everyone is dealing with injuries, but is that actually true? Was Notre Dame missing anyone? Duluth? Denver? Michigan? Minnesota? Completely understand that this is the biggest loser argument or statement, but this team one of these years needs to be healthy going into the playoffs. This game would have been different with Hain / Sanderson. I'm convinced that a healthy Mismash / Senden would have changed last years outcome vs Duluth. Nothing can be done, but it matters.

[I Ranger]

1 hour ago, stoneySIOUX said:

We, apparently, asked him to stay another year in Junior and he felt he was ready. So, that unfortunately looks like a big miss. 

From everything I've been told, Rizzo de-committing was totally unexpected. It caught the coaches off-guard. 

[stoneySIOUX]

39 minutes ago, nodakgirl93 said:

More than one. Ryder has time.

Lol ok... 88 career games, three seasons. Career stats: 6 goals, 6 assists -- 12 points. 

Bubbs made the right call, here.

[stoneySIOUX]

15 minutes ago, I Ranger said:

From everything I've been told, Rizzo de-committing was totally unexpected. It caught the coaches off-guard. 

Interesting! That would be news to me. Begs the question of why, but who knows.

[nodakgirl93]

8 minutes ago, stoneySIOUX said:

Lol ok... 88 career games, three seasons. Career stats: 6 goals, 6 assists -- 12 points. 

Bubbs made the right call, here.

Didn't realize he was older. Seemed like last year he joined Wisconsin. I do remember him doing well in his first weekend of college hockey and people on this board were upset. A team still needs 3rd and 4th liners. Maybe top 6 isn't his roll.

[stoneySIOUX]

Just now, nodakgirl93 said:

Didn't realize he was older. Seemed like last year he joined Wisconsin. I do remember him doing well in his first weekend of college hockey and people on this board were upset. A team still needs 3rd and 4th liners. Maybe top 6 isn't his roll.

Maybe he could have benefitted from playing one more year in junior, like we asked him to?

My point is here that it definitely seems like Bubbs and company missed with Rizzo, but they get it right way more often than not. Judging him on this miss doesn't seem fair.

[Oxbow6]

41 minutes ago, Goon said:

Imagine that you work for a pretty good sized company. You lose half of your work forces. They're replaced with a whole new group of people. You're going to have growing pains. I think UND exceeded expectations this year. 

 

Now let's say this company brings in two employees that were near the very top in production in their respected positions from the year before.........Ford and Calder aren't @Wilbur and @MafiaMan filling these positions.

[AJS]

35 minutes ago, I Ranger said:

From everything I've been told, Rizzo de-committing was totally unexpected. It caught the coaches off-guard. 

I've said this before, but Rizzo was announced with the incoming UND Freshman class per their official release (happens in June / July). The schools / coaches absolutely expected him to be there that Fall. 

[nodakgirl93]

1 minute ago, AJS said:

I've said this before, but Rizzo was announced with the incoming UND Freshman class per their official release (happens in June / July). The schools / coaches absolutely expected him to be there that Fall. 

So they didn't try to push him back?

[stoneySIOUX]

2 minutes ago, AJS said:

I've said this before, but Rizzo was announced with the incoming UND Freshman class per their official release (happens in June / July). The schools / coaches absolutely expected him to be there that Fall. 

Sorry if I missed that before, @AJS. That's interesting and I'd love to know what happened and if Bubbs missed something, here. That could change the narrative a bit either way. Maybe he saw a better immediate opportunity with DU since we expect to have Jasper? That's brutal.