2020 Dumpster Fire (Enter at your own risk)

[JohnboyND7]

2 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Anyone remember when the Republican Party was known as the Party of Ideas. 1980s, since the party of pseudo-scandals.

Burning Down the House --- because of efforts by R Newt Gingrich to bring down House Speaker Jim Wright in the late 1980s. Gingrich claimed that Wright was the most corrupt speaker in the 20th century, comparing him to Mussolini. In short, Wright resigned, Gingrich soon became speaker himself, and the GOP was off to pseudo-scandals.

Since then, the R Party came into cahoots with media Fox News and Rush Limbaugh in manufacturing one pseudo-scandal after another: Vince Foster’s suicide, Whitewater, Mena airport, John Kerry’s Swift Boat service, Barack Obama’s birth certificate, the Clinton Foundation and Hillary Clinton’s emails, among others.

The process has been turbocharged under T who is even more ruthless. He won the 2016 election by defaming a former secretary of state as Crooked Hillary.  Demanded that she be locked up for unspecified offenses. Now he is running the same playbook on Joe Biden.

T got impeached by trying to blackmail Ukrainian officials into accusing Biden & Hunter of wrongdoing. That didn’t stop T’s attorney, Giuliani, from working with shady Ukrainian contacts, including a lawmaker described as a Russian agent by T’s own Treasury Department, to produce dirt on Biden. Until recently, this had resulted of interest only to One America News Network.

Donald didn't beat Hillary by defaming her. She did that all on her own. For all the "Donald was unqualified to be President" takes we got as a result of 2016, we didn't get nearly enough "Thank God we kept that entitled and borderline retarded woman out of office" takes.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

11 hours ago, The Sicatoka said:

Cases increase with increased testing.

Tell me about hospitalizations and deaths per capita. 

White House signals defeat in pandemic as coronavirus outbreak roils Pence’s office

With the election a little over a week away, the new White House outbreak spotlighted the administration’s failure to contain the pandemic as hospitalizations surge across much of the United States and daily new cases hit all-time highs.

“This wasn’t a slip by Meadows; it was a candid acknowledgment of what President Trump’s strategy has clearly been from the beginning of this crisis: to wave the white flag of defeat and hope that by ignoring it, the virus would simply go away,” Biden said in a statement. “It hasn’t, and it won’t.”
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-signals-defeat-in-pandemic-as-coronavirus-outbreak-roils-pence-s-office/ar-BB1anIdY?ocid=msedgdhp

White House ‘stunning admission’ that it can’t control the pandemic is tantamount to surrender: Biden
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/white-house-stunning-admission-that-it-can-t-control-the-pandemic-is-tantamount-to-surrender-biden/ar-BB1ao1I5?ocid=msedgntp

[Cratter]

Left wingers now dont believe the Director of National Intelligence.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

1 minute ago, Cratter said:

Left wing nut cases suddenly dont believe the Director of National Intelligence.

And you believe T don't lie?


Fact check: Trump makes at least 16 false or misleading claims to '60 Minutes'
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fact-check-trump-makes-at-least-16-false-or-misleading-claims-to-60-minutes/ar-BB1anSNH?ocid=msedgdhp

[Cratter]

1 minute ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

And you believe T don't lie?


Fact check: Trump makes at least 16 false or misleading claims to '60 Minutes'
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fact-check-trump-makes-at-least-16-false-or-misleading-claims-to-60-minutes/ar-BB1anSNH?ocid=msedgdhp

Cool story. 

Has nothing to do with anything I wrote.

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

5 minutes ago, Cratter said:

Cool story. 

Has nothing to do with anything I wrote.

OK, what's the link to your don't believe?

[Cratter]

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Obama, Biden and spying

After Stahl asked Trump if he wants to lock up former President Barack Obama, Trump said in the extended footage, "No, I don't wanna lock him up, but he spied on my campaign. Obama and Biden spied on my campaign."

Facts First: This is baseless. There is no evidence Biden or Obama had any personal role in ordering the FBI surveillance of Trump's campaign, which came as part of its investigation of the campaign's relationship with Russia.

Cratters Fact Check of the Fact Check:

Misleading fact check. While there is not evidence of Obama or Biden's personal relationship with the spying on the Trump campaign. We do know that the FBI under the Obama\Biden administration indeed did spy on the Trump campaign.

Oh yeah and now the current Director of National Intelligence is a compromised Russian Operative and shouldn't be trusted!

[UNDlaw80]

2 hours ago, Cratter said:

Cratters Fact Check of the Fact Check:

Misleading fact check. While there is not evidence of Obama or Biden's personal relationship with the spying on the Trump campaign. We do know that the FBI under the Obama\Biden administration indeed did spy on the Trump campaign.

Oh yeah and now the current Director of National Intelligence is a compromised Russian Operative and shouldn't be trusted!

 

The only discrepancy is that Trump still falsely blames Obama.  Nowhere in that 9 second video is Obama/Biden even mentioned.  


Trump has often said that Obama had a hand in the FBI's investigation of Russian interference in the 2016 election. The FBI operation, called Crossfire Hurricane, targeted four men within the Trump campaign orbit, including campaign manager Paul Manafort and national security adviser Michael Flynn.

That FBI investigation itself has been the subject of investigations by the Justice Department and Congress.

Not one found that Obama initiated or meddled in the FBI's work. Not one concluded that the FBI lacked good reason to launch the investigation.

https://www.statesman.com/news/20200824/fact-check-did-obama-spy-on-trumprsquos-campaign-get-caught%3ftemplate=ampart

[BarnWinterSportsEngelstad]

Kind of Interesting that Putin speaks out.

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden’s past business ties with Ukraine or Russia, marking out his disagreement with one of Donald Trump’s attack lines in the U.S. presidential election.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-putin/putin-rejects-donald-trumps-criticism-of-biden-family-business-idUSKBN27A0TA

[Nodak78]

6 hours ago, zonadub said:

Just for comparison... the platforms of each party:
 

President Trump’s second term agenda:

  JOBS

Create 10 Million New Jobs in 10 Months

Create 1 Million New Small Businesses

Cut Taxes to Boost Take-Home Pay and Keep Jobs in America

Enact Fair Trade Deals that Protect American Jobs

“Made in America” Tax Credits

Expand Opportunity Zones

Continue Deregulatory Agenda for Energy Independence

 ERADICATE COVID-19

Develop a Vaccine by The End Of 2020

Return to Normal in 2021

Make All Critical Medicines and Supplies for Healthcare Workers in The United States

Refill Stockpiles and Prepare for Future Pandemics

 END OUR RELIANCE ON CHINA

Bring Back 1 Million Manufacturing Jobs from China

Tax Credits for Companies that Bring Back Jobs from China

Allow 100% Expensing Deductions for Essential Industries like Pharmaceuticals and Robotics who Bring Back their Manufacturing to the United States

No Federal Contracts for Companies who Outsource to China

Hold China Fully Accountable for Allowing the Virus to Spread around the World

 HEALTHCARE

Cut Prescription Drug Prices

Put Patients and Doctors Back in Charge of our Healthcare System

Lower Healthcare Insurance Premiums

End Surprise Billing

Cover All Pre-Existing Conditions

Protect Social Security and Medicare

Protect Our Veterans and Provide World-Class Healthcare and Services

 EDUCATION

Provide School Choice to Every Child in America

Teach American Exceptionalism

 DRAIN THE SWAMP

Pass Congressional Term Limits

End Bureaucratic Government Bullying of U.S. Citizens and Small Businesses

Expose Washington’s Money Trail and Delegate Powers Back to People and States

Drain the Globalist Swamp by Taking on International Organizations That Hurt American Citizens

 DEFEND OUR POLICE

Fully Fund and Hire More Police and Law Enforcement Officers

Increase Criminal Penalties for Assaults on Law Enforcement Officers

Prosecute Drive-By Shootings as Acts of Domestic Terrorism

Bring Violent Extremist Groups Like ANTIFA to Justice

End Cashless Bail and Keep Dangerous Criminals Locked Up until Trial

 END ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION AND PROTECT AMERICAN WORKERS

Block Illegal Immigrants from Becoming Eligible for Taxpayer-Funded Welfare, Healthcare, and Free College Tuition

Mandatory Deportation for Non-Citizen Gang Members

Dismantle Human Trafficking Networks

End Sanctuary Cities to Restore our Neighborhoods and Protect our Families

Prohibit American Companies from Replacing United States Citizens with Lower-Cost Foreign Workers

Require New Immigrants to Be Able to Support Themselves Financially

 INNOVATE FOR THE FUTURE

Launch Space Force, Establish Permanent Manned Presence on The Moon and Send the First Manned Mission to Mars

Build the World’s Greatest Infrastructure System

Win the Race to 5G and Establish a National High-Speed Wireless Internet Network

Continue to Lead the World in Access to the Cleanest Drinking Water and Cleanest Air

Partner with Other Nations to Clean Up our Planet’s Oceans

 AMERICA FIRST FOREIGN POLICY

Stop Endless Wars and Bring Our Troops Home

Get Allies to Pay their Fair Share

Maintain and Expand America’s Unrivaled Military Strength

Wipe Out Global Terrorists Who Threaten to Harm Americans

Build a Great Cybersecurity Defense System and Missile Defense System

 

 

The 2020 Democratic Party Platform is now posted on the internet. It’s an all-encompassing and mind-boggling 92 pages telling how a DNC House, Senate, and President would run the United States. It clearly states exactly how the DNC proposes to handle every problem faced by America and its allies and foes. Please read it before you vote. Here are some highlights, Including:

*Universal healthcare and Medicaid for all Americans and illegal aliens. (Pg 61)

*$15 minimum wage which will force businesses to close

*Immediate citizenship for illegals (Pg 63)

*Free college (Pg 65)

*Forgiveness of student loans (Pg 71)

*Eliminate border walls and Immigration Enforcement (Pg 62, 64 & 65)

*Make Washington D.C. the 51st State.

*Abortion for “all women & girls.” (Pg 83)

*$70 trillion Green New Deal, where the USA would be “net-zero greenhouse gas by 2050.” But CLOSE all coal & natural gas power plants by 2035. By 2030 all new construction in the USA must be net-zero greenhouses.

*Create a U.S. Agency for Global Media “to ensure that only accurate information is reported in the news or on the internet.”

*Rejoin the Paris Climate Agreement which is not equal to China

*Create a new federal agency of 100,000 people to trace every American.

*Immediately restore voting rights for convicted felons.

*Create a new Federal Credit Bureau (to replace Equafax, et al), and require banks to use this new credit reporting service that will be set up to assist low-income people in buying houses and cars.

*Make gun manufacturers responsible and liable for how their guns are used. (Destroy gun manufacturing)

*Declare and treat drug use as a mental illness instead of an illegal activity.

 

Amen

[homer]

2 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Kind of Interesting that Putin speaks out.

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden’s past business ties with Ukraine or Russia, marking out his disagreement with one of Donald Trump’s attack lines in the U.S. presidential election.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-putin/putin-rejects-donald-trumps-criticism-of-biden-family-business-idUSKBN27A0TA

Holy head spin......now Putin is to be taken at his word.   Pick a lane and stay in it.  

[Nodak78]

7 hours ago, UNDlaw80 said:

 

Even with that shift, 80% of younger blacks are still voting Biden; as are 65% of younger Hispanics.    That's NOT good news for Trump, particularly considering these demographics didn't turn-out en masse 4 years ago.  And that's on top of (as the link you posted stated) Trump is losing the white vote.     

And you think this is a good sign for Trump?    

 

That poll was concluded Oct 1.  I see a crescendo on Nov 3rd.

[Prison_Mike]

 

[TheFlop]

3 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Kind of Interesting that Putin speaks out.

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden’s past business ties with Ukraine or Russia, marking out his disagreement with one of Donald Trump’s attack lines in the U.S. presidential election.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-putin/putin-rejects-donald-trumps-criticism-of-biden-family-business-idUSKBN27A0TA

Wait, so now we are trusting what Putin and Russia says?  

[KBH2010]

7 hours ago, UNDlaw80 said:

This is beyond fantastic.

 

 

I feel bad for the person that has to clean that street

[Old Fella]

7 hours ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Eliminating freedom of the press

prosecution of political opponents 

loyalty pledge to trump as opposed to the good ole USA 

surrounding himself with yes men And firing anyone who speaks out

god knows what deals we would end up with Putin at our country expense

self enrichment 

god knows what roles his sons would  play  In a 2nd administration 

he might find a way to golf a little more

eliminate and obstruct any congressional oversight

buddy up with more dictators and further alienate our allies 

continue to pursue the legal argument that a president is above the law - a president cannot commit a crime

McDonalds for everyone!

etc

etc

Leads Cult Nightly Prayer

Upon my honor

I will to my best

To help myself

And screw the rest

[TheFlop]

28 minutes ago, Old Fella said:

etc

Leads Cult Nightly Prayer

Upon my honor

I will to my best

To help myself

And screw the rest

At least Heydouche can whether by accident or not string together an understandable sentence from time to time.  Keep trying.  

[TheFlop]

39 minutes ago, KBH2010 said:

I feel bad for the person that has to clean that street

Hopefully they returned the horses.  

[Nodak78]

So if Dems have the Black and Latino vote all tied up why is Soros throwing more money at these voter blocks. Seems like a waste of money.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/george-soros-spends-last-minute-millions-black-and-latino-voter-turnout

[TheFlop]

1 minute ago, Nodak78 said:

So if Dems have the Black and Latino vote all tied up why is Soros throwing more money at these voter blocks. Seems like a waste of money.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/elections/george-soros-spends-last-minute-millions-black-and-latino-voter-turnout

Same reason Biden is spending time in states he's supposedly up double digits in.  

[Nodak78]

20 minutes ago, TheFlop said:

Same reason Biden is spending time in states he's supposedly up double digits in.  

you mean Delaware in the basement.

[SiouxFan100]

Looking forward for the country to get past this divisive election. Hopefully there is a clear winner, sooner than later, and a peaceful and timely transfer of power if Biden wins. 

Hopefully,  we all find a way to work together for the good of our nation.

[Bison06]

7 minutes ago, SiouxFan100 said:

Looking forward for the country to get past this divisive election. Hopefully there is a clear winner, sooner than later, and a peaceful and timely transfer of power if Biden wins. 

Hopefully,  we all find a way to work together for the good of our nation.

I think we all hope for that, but I just don't see it happening regardless of who wins. This country is headed for serious changes that I believe will result in states breaking away in the next 20-30 years. A country with two factions that are so far apart in their ideologies as ours is will only continue to move further apart and maybe that is for the best.

[The Sicatoka]

10 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Before T coming to the WH he lived in penthouse apartment and flew his own plane. He accused Biden, who spent years commuting on Amtrak, of having houses all over the place. 

Mister Trump ran his own businesses and made (and lost and made) his money in private business.

Mister Biden has been a "public servant" in DC for 47 years. 

I'm not surprised one has penthouse apartments and planes. But how does one afford multi-million dollar homes on a senator or Vice President salary? 

[The Sicatoka]

6 hours ago, BarnWinterSportsEngelstad said:

Kind of Interesting that Putin speaks out.

MOSCOW (Reuters) - Russian President Vladimir Putin said on Sunday that he saw nothing criminal in Hunter Biden’s past business ties with Ukraine or Russia, marking out his disagreement with one of Donald Trump’s attack lines in the U.S. presidential election.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-putin/putin-rejects-donald-trumps-criticism-of-biden-family-business-idUSKBN27A0TA

Vlad doesn't care at this point. 

Chaos in America, no matter who's in power, works to his favor. 

He's just stirring the pot.